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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: trendal]
#7505256 - 10/10/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let me give a personal example...
When I had my stroke, the blood pressed outwards into an area of my brain used for speech and speech recognition (Wernicke's area). My comprehension skills stayed the same, but my speech skills were dramatically affected. I had something called "receptive aphasia" where I could think of the right words to use in a sentence but would say something completely different.
Now that wasn't someone forcing me to say the wrong things...but what if you simulated the damage in a healthy person?
It is a strange sensation, thinking one thing and saying another thing entirely 
(I'm fine now, by the way)
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: trendal]
#7505268 - 10/10/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is a strange sensation, thinking one thing and saying another thing entirely
Like a politician?
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7505370 - 10/10/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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So you're saying that we have fears 'forced' on us and that we have the opportunity to 'face' our fears, those we can perceive, if we are strong enough to attempt such, let alone succeed.
I am saying that, for example, as kids we are not aware of what we learn from our parents. Children mainly copy whatever they see their parents doing because that's how life works in those situations. They need to have a base and they absorb whatever is being offered to them. Early years are formative. But when we grow up everything changes and our awareness grows, it becomes only up to us whether we choose to grow as persons or not. I don't think that it all breaks down on being strong enough or not, since the notion of being strong leaves room for further interpretation. In this case, the lack of strength can be viewed as a handicap and a handicap eliminates from personal responsibility. It is only a matter of choice. What's more important to a certain individual: to keep living in the same patterns, even if they know it's self limiting, or deal with their fears but in the same time being aware of the huge reward that's beyond it: freedom.
when we grow up everything changes and our awareness grows,- What's this? an unsubstantiated assertion? (followed by): it becomes only up to us whether we choose to grow as persons or not. Who are you defending when you say the blame lays on the underdog for not having the strength to face up to it's overlord?
a handicap eliminates from personal responsibility.- is this the law being handed down, should I be inscribing stone tablets?
In light of this I hope you wont take offense if I say that I consider your testimony totally bollacks and subserviant to your overlord. (maybe you should take your own advice should you dare?)
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7505385 - 10/10/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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It is a strange sensation, thinking one thing and saying another thing entirely
Like a politician?
Is Randi politicaly inclined?
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Booby]
#7505406 - 10/10/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Booby said: (maybe you should take your own advice should you dare?)
Oh, that's right, you have a handicap and therefore are exempt from responsibility, isn't this right?
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Booby]
#7505438 - 10/10/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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when we grow up everything changes and our awareness grows,- What's this? an unsubstantiated assertion?
No, it is observable with the naked eye. As we mature and start experiencing life, we become more conscious of the entireness of our being. Learning more and being exposed to the new results in a growth of awareness. What exactly did you find difficult to understand about that?
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it becomes only up to us whether we choose to grow as persons or not. Who are you defending when you say the blame lays on the underdog for not having the strength to face up to it's overlord?
Where was I defending or trying to place the blame on anyone?  Maybe you should be more careful to what I was saying. I was merely trying to explain a process. Even if we are unaware and not responsible for what we're being taught in our childhood, when we grow up the situation changes and as a result we become the masters of our own lives. We become responsible for our actions.
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a handicap eliminates from personal responsibility.- is this the law being handed down, should I be inscribing stone tablets?
In light of this I hope you wont take offense if I say that I consider your testimony totally bollacks and subserviant to your overlord. (maybe you should take your own advice should you dare?)
To be honest I can't take offense because I don't think I really understand what you're trying to say.  Can you rephrase that?
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Booby]
#7505446 - 10/10/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mushroomtrip is exempt from responsibility in these proceedings as substantiated by her own testimony. As such I demand that she step down from the witness stand and forbear from further participation. is that fair?
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7505466 - 10/10/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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To be honest I can't take offense because I don't think I really understand what you're trying to say.  Can you rephrase that?
So that she can take offense.
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Booby]
#7505467 - 10/10/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Booby said: Mushroomtrip is exempt from responsibility in these proceedings as substantiated by her own testimony. As such I demand that she step down from the witness stand and forbear from further participation. is that fair?
Please disregard that statement since i have a peculiarity that forbids me from assuming the lotus position. As susch i wish the court note that I am exempt from personal responsibility. carry on.
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Booby]
#7505480 - 10/10/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you got is all wrong.  The thing I was trying to emphasize earlier was the existence of personal responsibility. Now does that rely in any way to what you keep saying here?
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7505516 - 10/10/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I doubt you will consider the point of view that you are trying to distance yourself from any responsibility for what you may achieve with your testimony.
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MushroomTrip said: In this case, the lack of strength can be viewed as a handicap and a handicap eliminates from personal responsibility.
Do you or do you not suffer from a speech impediment?
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Booby]
#7505584 - 10/10/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Booby said: I doubt you will consider the point of view that you are trying to distance yourself from any responsibility for what you may achieve with your testimony.
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MushroomTrip said: In this case, the lack of strength can be viewed as a handicap and a handicap eliminates from personal responsibility.
Do you or do you not suffer from a speach impediment?
Ok you clearly misinterpreted what I said. It was in response to you saying:
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if we are strong enough to attempt such, let alone succeed.
I said that I wouldn't necessarily call it strength. Because you hear a lot of people saying things like: "You can't blame him for that, he was not strong enough to do otherwise" The matter of strength or the lack of it seems to become an acceptable excuse nowadays. People who are not being viewed as strong are usually treated with a higher degree of tolerance if not even charity. Now this kind of social response encourages people to indulge themselves in this impotence and find an excuse in it and this is far from being a healthy attitude. Now you understand what I was trying to say?
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7505600 - 10/10/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whatever you say it don't matter. State what you want, it don't matter. You're free. Ain't it wonderful?
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Booby
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Booby]
#7505677 - 10/10/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Based on this testimony I think it best an edit be circulated thru-out the realm and be posted: (particularly in schoolrooms) "On no account should anybody be held accountable for witness held against them." that is all.
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Booby]
#7505776 - 10/10/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Booby said: Whatever you say it don't matter. State what you want, it don't matter. You're free. Ain't it wonderful?
What really doesn't matter are posts like this. It's not debate, it's ducking and running.
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Icelander]
#7506007 - 10/10/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tell it to Randi & associates.
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Booby]
#7506016 - 10/10/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm telling you. Ducking and running is lame.
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Icelander]
#7506034 - 10/10/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Randi is a midget. According to the testimony here Randi is not responsible for his contributions because he is handicapped. I am merely aknowledging that the handicapped are not responsible for their testimony. How is this ducking and running?
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Booby]
#7506051 - 10/10/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whatever you say it don't matter. State what you want, it don't matter.
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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Icelander]
#7506069 - 10/10/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thankyou and I extend the same courtesy to you. Namaste.
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