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Is it possible to "force" a person do something?
    #7504990 - 10/10/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Let's say you can do anything you want to someone, in order to force them to do something. You can talk to them, hit or torture them, or even implant electrodes into their brain. Anything you want, provided it is physically possible.

Could you force a person to do something? Likewise, could you be forced to do something against your will?


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: trendal]
    #7505005 - 10/10/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Are you volunteering as a test subject? :hehehe:


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: trendal]
    #7505006 - 10/10/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I suspect yes in both cases... brainwashing works. *shrug*


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: trendal]
    #7505017 - 10/10/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This reminds me of an instance in Walmart when a couple in front of me said to their toddler: "We are going to set you off on the side of the road and leave you." So I'm thinking just what does installing abandonment issues into a child achieve? Yeah I think it is possible to 'force' someone to do something.


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Seuss]
    #7505019 - 10/10/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Usually the threat of harm against SOMEONE OTHER than the subject works better, and yeilds more success. It obviously has to be someone close to them, parent or child works well.

It's pretty evil, but sadly effective.


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: trendal]
    #7505020 - 10/10/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't believe it's possible to be forced to do something against your will.

At whatever point that happens, it is no longer your will.
See what I'm saying?

Okay... let's say someone is holding a gun to your head and if you don't do what he wants, he will kill you. He's still not forcing you to do anything. You have the choice to do what he wants, and you have the choice to not do what he wants. One choice may end up with you having a bullet hole in your skull, but that still doesn't mean you were forced to make a single decision.

On the other hand, if someone were to grab your arm, put a gun in your hand, and push your finger down so that your finger pulled the trigger, then they still weren't forcing you to do anything against your will, because your will was no longer part of the picture. You became a tool for them.

All very interesting to me. Something I think a lot about actually lol


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: trendal]
    #7505026 - 10/10/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No.  They still must initiate their actions from within, so even actions performed under duress are voluntary.  Brainwashing merely convinces someone that they should comply with your demands, it does not make them comply.  Torture convinces them that not complying will involve horrific consequences, but they still must make themselves act.  Even hypnosis does not allow someone control over your actions, but rather makes one more suggestible to the demands of another.

I must allow for one exception, however: my ex DID force me to divorce him.  :wink:


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: trendal]
    #7505029 - 10/10/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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trendal said:
Let's say you can do anything you want to someone, in order to force them to do something. You can talk to them, hit or torture them, or even implant electrodes into their brain. Anything you want, provided it is physically possible.

Could you force a person to do something? Likewise, could you be forced to do something against your will?




Yes..

If a little girl (person) was not wanting to move...
A big[ger] girl (person) could pick her up, and make her move...


Also. You s-/c-hould check out the Japanese ear effect'er..
It effects your innear·ear thing (those three things), so you can be remote controlled.. (Feels like being drunk.)
It will probably be implemented via GPS and such...

Imagine being drunk. Unable to know where you are, and what you are doing...
Instead of anything, just flip the thing on and start walking.. It would guide you home, or to the bar who allowed drunks. ;p Or what ever.. :wink:


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: trendal]
    #7505045 - 10/10/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Could you force a person to do something? Likewise, could you be forced to do something against your will?




Behaviorists have been doing this for over a hundred years now.


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: trendal]
    #7505049 - 10/10/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

die
you could make me die


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7505052 - 10/10/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
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Could you force a person to do something? Likewise, could you be forced to do something against your will?




Behaviorists have been doing this for over a hundred years now.




:lol:


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Cherk]
    #7505056 - 10/10/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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cherokee said:
die
you could make me die




And how's that? :strokebeard:


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7505062 - 10/10/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

make me stop living
be creative


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Gomp]
    #7505075 - 10/10/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Picking someone up is not making them do it, as they are not initiating the action.

As to the inner-ear tech (aka galvanic vestibular stimulation):

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The truth is that GVS in its current stage is far from the control freak's ultimate weapon. Boston University's Collins dismissed the possibility of using the technology to move humans completely against their will because, he said, "Our central nervous system, through volitional commands, could largely override the effects produced by GVS." Score one for good, old-fashioned willpower.

Another researcher active in GVS agreed. "At present, we can induce small changes in body stance and posture, but are nowhere near remote controlling humans."



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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Cherk]
    #7505079 - 10/10/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You can't call that being forced.
For example, I could be here as a reminder of you every "wrong" that you did in your life, of everything you feel guilty and terrible about. And as a result you choose to end your life. Because there was still a choice for you to continue your life. :shrug:


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7505082 - 10/10/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
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Could you force a person to do something? Likewise, could you be forced to do something against your will?




Behaviorists have been doing this for over a hundred years now.




ORLY? Examples?


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Veritas]
    #7505100 - 10/10/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Veritas said:


ORLY? Examples?




"You are going to burn in a lake of fire for eternity if you don't accept jesus as your Lord and Saviour."


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Cherk]
    #7505106 - 10/10/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

After a certain amount of coercion, and the amount necessary varies from person to person depending on thier strength of will, most people will break. There comes a point when one is suffering extreme pain where survival instincts take control and kick the will out of the seat of command. It takes a particularly strong individual to hold onto themselves through extremely coercive suffering.

Think about the Witch Hunts in Europe - there were 3 degrees of torture and by the third every single person had either 'confessed' or died. Torture is a giant mind-fuck, people lose themselves after a certain amount of pain. Try reading 1984 and try and imagine yourself making it through Winston's reconditioning unaffected.

The other way of forcing people to do things is to condition them before they even have a chance to develop thier will. This is pretty much what our civilization is built upon.


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: Booby]
    #7505110 - 10/10/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

First of all, these are not behaviorists, these are Christians. :lol:
And even for those who choose to believe in hell and heaven and the entire story, it is still THEIR CHOICE not to burn in hell. :shrug:


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Re: Is it possible to "force" a person do something? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7505114 - 10/10/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Christians are not behaviourists as much as marxists aren't. Ha!


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