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tony8404
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Jars are colonized top to bottom but should i case now or wait? its only been a week...
#7504743 - 10/10/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Woo hoo... i think i am ready to case my rye grain jars now. Last week sunday i took my pc'ed rye jars and injected my lc into the jars... Growth showed up by wednesday, this past friday i gave the jars a shake cause they were getting pretty white. after that i checked on them sunday and the mycelium looked like they were never shaked. i tried to shake the jar last night but it wouldnt... With today being wednesday i wanna know are my jars ready to be cased or is two weeks a must? i checked the jars last night and wow there is alot of mycelium in there... i wonder if there ready cause i saw growth on wednesday last week and today is wednesday so its only bee a week but i think if i wait another week i may mess it up.. so should i go ahead and case or wait? thanks
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Mankey


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Re: Jars are colonized top to bottom but should i case now or wait? its only been a week... [Re: tony8404]
#7504775 - 10/10/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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....holy shit.
From what I think you might be saying your jars are ready to start a spawn run. Just wait till the jars are all white. Thats all you're looking for.
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tony8404
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Re: Jars are colonized top to bottom but should i case now or wait? its only been a week... [Re: Mankey]
#7504791 - 10/10/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol.. okay when you say spawn run you confuse me i never did spawn.. i like to do casings, maybe in the future i can do spawn.. but my jars are all white now probably even more tonight when i get home... i was just asking if 1 week is too soon to case the rye if it is all white already??? i read of people waiting two weeks but i think if i wait that long it may go bad or something will happen..
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Re: Jars are colonized top to bottom but should i case now or wait? its only been a week... [Re: tony8404]
#7504825 - 10/10/07 10:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you are supposed to wait a week for the inside of the jar to be colonized, this usually happens 1 week after it turns completely white. don't shake them anymore until you are ready to case them .
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Mankey


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Re: Jars are colonized top to bottom but should i case now or wait? its only been a week... [Re: orchidfanatic]
#7504839 - 10/10/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If hes shaken them already then the inside of the jar is probably completely colonized. We're talking rye jars.
A spawn run is part of a casing. It's the stage where you colonize grain. Then you put it into a container with a substrate like poo/coir/peat moss etc. You then let that colonize.
Edited by Mankey (10/10/07 10:57 AM)
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mycocurious
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Re: Jars are colonized top to bottom but should i case now or wait? its only been a week... [Re: tony8404]
#7504848 - 10/10/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Couple things...
1. um, your jars _are_ the spawn run. The terminology for bulk grows, in order of precedence... You inoculate a spawn medium or substrate, which in our case is a jar of rye grains. A fully colonized jar is considered the "spawn run" which is then used to "spawn to" a larger, bulk substrate - coir, manure, compost, etc. - to inoculate it with the mycelium in the spawn run. After it colonizes that, you apply a thin "casing" mixture to provide a humidity retaining "blanket" of a non-nutritious, slightly alkaline contaminate barrier.
2. If you're having trouble shaking your jars, you might one to consider another method - especially if you're wacking it against the palm of your other hand. You'll really++ mess up your hand doing that over time...
RR uses a clean bicycle tire, under it's rated air pressure to wack the jars against. The bounce back it provides goes a long way to moving the grains and breaking them up thoroughly. I've found that my old leather portfolio does a really good job too. Either way, you'll want to have as close to total grain separation as possible when you spawn them.
3. And three, yes, they are ready, get them out now before they solidify anymore or they'll take longer to recover from the extra stress.
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Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude. I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected... - How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates - How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier - How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse ------------------------------------ figgusfiddus said: Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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tony8404
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Re: Jars are colonized top to bottom but should i case now or wait? its only been a week... [Re: mycocurious]
#7504877 - 10/10/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i am going to case the jars tonight...
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mycocurious
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Re: Jars are colonized top to bottom but should i case now or wait? its only been a week... [Re: tony8404]
#7504899 - 10/10/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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in that case, as in the pf-jar's tek, your spawn is also going to double as the substrate itself after you spawn it to the tray. "cased grains" or whichever...
in my humble opinion, a quick stop by a pet-store on the way home to pick up a brick of coco-coir "bed-a-beast", etc. would be a very quick way to get a little more out of the grains.
Either way, let the mycelium on the grains recover and reconsolidate control of the rye in it's new tray for an "incubation" period of a a day or two before throwing the jiffy mix directly on top of it. That way it can devote it's energy into growing back together instead of trying to colonize the non-nutritious jiffy mix just because it's there.
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Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude. I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected... - How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates - How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier - How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse ------------------------------------ figgusfiddus said: Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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