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Is the internet making kids these days more delusional?
    #7504726 - 10/10/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What do you think? It seems like a lot of young adults (i.e. 18-21) I meet seem kind of delusional about a lot of things, most specifically their cliques (which is usually nothing more than a shared sense of fashion they think is something more). They all seem to think they're a part of this bigger thing, like sooner or later everyone's going to realize they're right and the rest of us were wrong, in some general sense.

So maybe some of you older shroomerites can enlighten me... has our culture always been this way? Do you think the internet is distorting kids' views of the world in harmful ways? If so, do you think they will grow out of it if (I don't, so long as they're plugged in)?


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7504734 - 10/10/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

good post! i would also like to hear a response


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: moon_glue]
    #7504773 - 10/10/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I dunno, but I really hope it turns around.
I don't mean to pass judgment, but it really seems like most young people are so caught up in themselves and are just really superficial. It's getting harder to find good friends, and meeting a good looking girl who's actually laid back, with high morals... that's something hard to come by.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7504821 - 10/10/07 10:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Only 'the kids these days' can make 'the kids these days', more delusional...


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7504852 - 10/10/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think that's normal awkward youth stuff. The internet just makes it more visible.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7504886 - 10/10/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

idk but if i hear the word thats hot one more time i am going va tech on everybody


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: dutchmushroom]
    #7504911 - 10/10/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thats sexy.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: Krystal Klear]
    #7505184 - 10/10/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7505300 - 10/10/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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What do you think? It seems like a lot of young adults (i.e. 18-21) I meet seem kind of delusional about a lot of things, most specifically their cliques (which is usually nothing more than a shared sense of fashion they think is something more). They all seem to think they're a part of this bigger thing, like sooner or later everyone's going to realize they're right and the rest of us were wrong, in some general sense.

So maybe some of you older shroomerites can enlighten me... has our culture always been this way? Do you think the internet is distorting kids' views of the world in harmful ways? If so, do you think they will grow out of it if (I don't, so long as they're plugged in)?





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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7505339 - 10/10/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I fit into the 18-21 range and can attest they're all idiots. I'm surrounded by them every day at a local college. The high school grads get dumber and more obnoxious each year.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: bukkake]
    #7505360 - 10/10/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i'm 21 - senior at university...

a lot of people are dumb, but a fair amount are smart too... it's just with the internet, we get to see videos every day starring all the dumb ones - while the smart kids silently go on to run the world :smile:

thank God i'm smart!


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: memes]
    #7505430 - 10/10/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i'm 20. i don't strictly believe in any one thing, and try to maintain a balanced and unbiased view of people. I'm good to people. I'm very open, friendly, and shareing.

I don't know why it's so hard to find good people. I don't care what hobbies, talents,pass times are shared/unshared. It's hard to find people who make an effort to be decent to one another.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: moon_glue]
    #7506880 - 10/10/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It's hard to find people who make an effort to be decent to one another.




Exactly.

suimush: Okay, so let's take it a step further and clarify. I had a feeling young people have always been dumb. But I get this sense that it used to be that eventually something clicks or changes - i.e. they get into the professional world and start making people much older / wiser than them their role models, and suddenly realize how dumb they've been acting all this time.

Nowadays, I work with people in their late twenties, early thirties, who seriously remind me of seniors in high school! Somewhat mature, but mostly naive, rude, and self-centered. Now we all know people like this... but it seems like I'm coming across more and more of them for some reason.

What I'm getting at is I realize the # of dumb people probably hasn't changed significantly. What I'm wondering, though, is if the Internet is like a HUGE reinforcer to all the dumb shit that is going on; I'm asking if the Internet is making it worse... making it harder for young people to grow up and be responsible and care about important things.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7506962 - 10/10/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know if the internet's making it worse or not, but I can tell you that the general degrading of our educational system doesn't help at all.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: BrandNoob]
    #7507035 - 10/10/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The internet is only as dumb as the people that fuel it. What you should look at is modern media in general. Which of course is also giving the public what it wants. Questions with a similar scope to this seem to be favored by English classes, and every time the obvious answer seem to be a broad range of easy and hard to see influences, that all add to the effect.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: BrandNoob]
    #7507048 - 10/10/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

honestly this age group of 15ish to 25ish is the same its always been people trying to find themselves. usually nothing more and nothing less

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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: The_Ghost]
    #7507104 - 10/10/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ah but there is a HUGE difference between modern media and the internet. The internet is much less driven by profit. Just look at YouTube. 99% of those people submitting videos aren't making a dime, nor do they expect to.

Besides that, consider this:

Something like a quarter of all internet users are between ages 13-18.

Now think about comments you read on forums, news sites, etc.

If (roughly) 1 in 4 of those comments are by people in that age group, well aren't we all getting a little dumber? That's like saying 1 in 4 people you talk to are in that age group.

I think you'd be shocked at how often you might listen to some anonymous person's viewpoint on the net, that in reality is some 13 year old running his mouth.

I think we all sort of make vague assumptions about the people who post content online, but I'd be very impressed if they were ever even close to accurate. So, that goes along with my point as to the Internet really driving this delusional state of people on the verge of adulthood. They're still constantly being bombared by information/media that comes from kids much younger than them... kind of always dragging them back into their youth rather than dismembering from that and actually growing up, like most adults would normally do after, say, college.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7507171 - 10/10/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The internet is much less driven by profit. Just look at YouTube. 99% of those people submitting videos aren't making a dime, nor do they expect to.




The people submitting the videos don't make money, but Google's making millions from the banner advertisements. The advertisers are making millions from the click-thrus. And 90% of the stuff on YouTube is commercially-made copyright infringement - the content *was* created for profit. I remember how pissed I was when "The Resident" started integrating advertisements into their weekly uploads. How many of those "Messing with Sasquatch" beef jerky commercials are on there? How many previews for action films?


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7507175 - 10/10/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7507209 - 10/10/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just because someone is 13-18 doesn't make them dumb and unable to produce accurate information. Just because someone is 18-21 doesn't mean they give in to all the bullshit and 'distorted views' of the world produced by the internet. Only the ones who buy into everything they read/see on the internet rather than questioning where this information came from are being deluded. Now unfortunately the amount of gullible people is probably higher in younger age groups, but that doesn't mean they're all that foolish.

All of these stereotypes of younger people make me wonder. If I admit to being 18 will I be thought less of on these forums, or anywhere for that matter?


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: paradox_]
    #7507290 - 10/10/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I give 18 year olds a chance, always. I know they're not ALL that foolish. I'm making big generalizations here, so I encourage arguments be made against the overall picture, not against the minor details/exceptions.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7507331 - 10/10/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I think that's normal awkward youth stuff. The internet just makes it more visible.




I agree. I mean, look at the Beatniks of the 50's and the Hippies of the 60's.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #7507690 - 10/11/07 01:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The sad thing is that these cliques are created by marketing companies. Which were created and run by the older generation. The latest trend these days seems to be to brainwash children into thinking the only way they can feel worthwhile and get respect is to buy certain products. They concentrate this tactic on adolescents because they know adolescence is a time of insecurity and change making them especially vulnerable to these messages.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7507714 - 10/11/07 01:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7508281 - 10/11/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The sad thing is that these cliques are created by marketing companies. Which were created and run by the older generation. The latest trend these days seems to be to brainwash children into thinking the only way they can feel worthwhile and get respect is to buy certain products. They concentrate this tactic on adolescents because they know adolescence is a time of insecurity and change making them especially vulnerable to these messages.




very good point. and the internet is the #1 medium for targetting them.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7508307 - 10/11/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thats just what teenagers and young people go through. Not all of them but most.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: XUL]
    #7508415 - 10/11/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Again, we've already established this.... the question is not "are kids delusional?" YES we know many of them are. The question is is the internet having an impact on that, reinforcing delusional tendencies, and making it harder for them to grow up?


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7508433 - 10/11/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I might add that it's not just the internet, but the whole connected phenomenon.

For example, some studies have been done that show an astonishing number of college kids now regularly keep in touch with their parents, with a high percentage talking to them almost daily. Psychologists say this is actually detrimental to the kid's "leaving the nest" phase and breaking free on their own because the constant communication with the parent reinforces their dependence on the parent.

Likewise with young adults on the net, they're now being bombarded with more targetted advertising, information, etc. that is supposed to cater to the teen crowd, but may in fact be reinforcing the young adult's teenage behaviors, prolonging that stage. Whether or not thats a good thing or a bad thing is left to be seen, but there are a lot of things to consider.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7508448 - 10/11/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

saying that the internet makes kids delusional is just about the same as saying smoking pot makes you lazy and stupid. There is no correlation. People are inherently stupid or smart already, if they get high says nothing about that, but the fact is that stupid people are the ones who get the attention because they get caught. Same thing with the internet. the stupid people get attention because they are the owners of those faces you see plastered all over places like YouTube.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: bukkake]
    #7508516 - 10/11/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The high school grads get dumber and more obnoxious each year.



Might it be that you keep getting older and increasingly intolerant?



kake, your suggestion that the internet may reinforce a childish - or perhaps lackluster, lazy, and somewhat inept attitude towards living would seem to be at least interesting. Before its creation - and particularly before the creation of mass media in general - it would seem that people were forced (to a greater extent) to exist within the circumstances surrounding them. The internet and other media outlets allow us to quite readily transport ourselves (if only mentally) into another realm of existence where our daily troubles and shortcomings do not bother us, and we are free to pretend we live a life much more adventurous and interesting than we really do.

This ease of escape which the internet does provide, might very well help prevent or slow the process of self-realization and maturation. Afterall, it is through our experiences and personal troubleshooting that we mature, and if all we do is rely on a two-dimensional and relatively non-interactive source of fantasy for a large portion of our conscious experience, it seems only natural that we would be slower to find our true ambitions and personal goals as we instead allow ourselves to become so distracted.

Now of course distractions have always existed, but it seems considerably easier for a child today to spend many hours a day in a virtual world, perhaps playing video games or simply engaging in idle chat. While these activities will necessitate some problem solving and reactive experience, I think it pales in comparison to the degree to which people had to live presently in the early 20th century for example. In these days before mass media exploded, there existed a considerably more rigid societal and family structure, which required children to engage themselves in work or study, or in most cases family would surely step in to explicitly guide the child in the way they thought best.

Obviously I'm making some fairly sizable generalizations here, but I think I got my point across. Not to say one way is better than the other. The world changes and there's nothing we can do about it save for change ourselves as individuals. Focus on making your reality a better experience, and do your best not to worry about the things beyond your control.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: geokills]
    #7509684 - 10/11/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This age group is like any other, you have you intelligent, your basline norm intelligence, and then theres the dumb super dumb and the DER! intelligence. When i encountre a person in tis age group, I will usually try to play the devils advocate, to see how strong their stance on certain issues are , and whether or not they can debate/argue like adults and not call you a fag because you don't agree with their outlook, or other moral/spiritual foundations they have.

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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: bonghittr]
    #7509841 - 10/11/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, this is just a general response but...

Nothing seems to really have changed from my point of view. We as humans seem to have this undeniable need to be egocentric. There is an old test they do on children involving perspective. You show them a sculpture of mountains, allow them to walk around it and take in all sides of the structure. On various sides of the mountains, there are landmarks. Now, you sit the child facing one of the landmarks, and then perhaps at a 90 degree angle to the kid you set a stuffed animal.

You then ask the child to describe the scene as it would be seen from the stuffed animals point of view. In general, the child (up to a certain age) will just respond back with what they currently see. They do not realize that the stuffed animal would not see it the same way as they do.

This to me seems to carry over in more subtle ways as we age.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: CantiSama]
    #7510236 - 10/11/07 07:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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saying that the internet makes kids delusional is just about the same as saying smoking pot makes you lazy and stupid. There is no correlation. People are inherently stupid or smart already, if they get high says nothing about that, but the fact is that stupid people are the ones who get the attention because they get caught. Same thing with the internet. the stupid people get attention because they are the owners of those faces you see plastered all over places like YouTube.




Hold on... you've just replaced "delusional" for "stupidity" which is the fallacy I see in your argument - please do not think I am saying the Internet is making people less intelligent. DELUSIONAL does not mean stupid... it means heavily influenced by a set of false beliefs.


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