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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: paradox_]
    #7507290 - 10/10/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I give 18 year olds a chance, always. I know they're not ALL that foolish. I'm making big generalizations here, so I encourage arguments be made against the overall picture, not against the minor details/exceptions.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7507331 - 10/10/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I think that's normal awkward youth stuff. The internet just makes it more visible.




I agree. I mean, look at the Beatniks of the 50's and the Hippies of the 60's.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #7507690 - 10/11/07 01:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The sad thing is that these cliques are created by marketing companies. Which were created and run by the older generation. The latest trend these days seems to be to brainwash children into thinking the only way they can feel worthwhile and get respect is to buy certain products. They concentrate this tactic on adolescents because they know adolescence is a time of insecurity and change making them especially vulnerable to these messages.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7507714 - 10/11/07 01:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yes


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: DimensionX]
    #7508281 - 10/11/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The sad thing is that these cliques are created by marketing companies. Which were created and run by the older generation. The latest trend these days seems to be to brainwash children into thinking the only way they can feel worthwhile and get respect is to buy certain products. They concentrate this tactic on adolescents because they know adolescence is a time of insecurity and change making them especially vulnerable to these messages.




very good point. and the internet is the #1 medium for targetting them.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7508307 - 10/11/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thats just what teenagers and young people go through. Not all of them but most.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: XUL]
    #7508415 - 10/11/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Again, we've already established this.... the question is not "are kids delusional?" YES we know many of them are. The question is is the internet having an impact on that, reinforcing delusional tendencies, and making it harder for them to grow up?


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7508433 - 10/11/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I might add that it's not just the internet, but the whole connected phenomenon.

For example, some studies have been done that show an astonishing number of college kids now regularly keep in touch with their parents, with a high percentage talking to them almost daily. Psychologists say this is actually detrimental to the kid's "leaving the nest" phase and breaking free on their own because the constant communication with the parent reinforces their dependence on the parent.

Likewise with young adults on the net, they're now being bombarded with more targetted advertising, information, etc. that is supposed to cater to the teen crowd, but may in fact be reinforcing the young adult's teenage behaviors, prolonging that stage. Whether or not thats a good thing or a bad thing is left to be seen, but there are a lot of things to consider.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: kake]
    #7508448 - 10/11/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

saying that the internet makes kids delusional is just about the same as saying smoking pot makes you lazy and stupid. There is no correlation. People are inherently stupid or smart already, if they get high says nothing about that, but the fact is that stupid people are the ones who get the attention because they get caught. Same thing with the internet. the stupid people get attention because they are the owners of those faces you see plastered all over places like YouTube.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: bukkake]
    #7508516 - 10/11/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The high school grads get dumber and more obnoxious each year.



Might it be that you keep getting older and increasingly intolerant?



kake, your suggestion that the internet may reinforce a childish - or perhaps lackluster, lazy, and somewhat inept attitude towards living would seem to be at least interesting. Before its creation - and particularly before the creation of mass media in general - it would seem that people were forced (to a greater extent) to exist within the circumstances surrounding them. The internet and other media outlets allow us to quite readily transport ourselves (if only mentally) into another realm of existence where our daily troubles and shortcomings do not bother us, and we are free to pretend we live a life much more adventurous and interesting than we really do.

This ease of escape which the internet does provide, might very well help prevent or slow the process of self-realization and maturation. Afterall, it is through our experiences and personal troubleshooting that we mature, and if all we do is rely on a two-dimensional and relatively non-interactive source of fantasy for a large portion of our conscious experience, it seems only natural that we would be slower to find our true ambitions and personal goals as we instead allow ourselves to become so distracted.

Now of course distractions have always existed, but it seems considerably easier for a child today to spend many hours a day in a virtual world, perhaps playing video games or simply engaging in idle chat. While these activities will necessitate some problem solving and reactive experience, I think it pales in comparison to the degree to which people had to live presently in the early 20th century for example. In these days before mass media exploded, there existed a considerably more rigid societal and family structure, which required children to engage themselves in work or study, or in most cases family would surely step in to explicitly guide the child in the way they thought best.

Obviously I'm making some fairly sizable generalizations here, but I think I got my point across. Not to say one way is better than the other. The world changes and there's nothing we can do about it save for change ourselves as individuals. Focus on making your reality a better experience, and do your best not to worry about the things beyond your control.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: geokills]
    #7509684 - 10/11/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This age group is like any other, you have you intelligent, your basline norm intelligence, and then theres the dumb super dumb and the DER! intelligence. When i encountre a person in tis age group, I will usually try to play the devils advocate, to see how strong their stance on certain issues are , and whether or not they can debate/argue like adults and not call you a fag because you don't agree with their outlook, or other moral/spiritual foundations they have.

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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: bonghittr]
    #7509841 - 10/11/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, this is just a general response but...

Nothing seems to really have changed from my point of view. We as humans seem to have this undeniable need to be egocentric. There is an old test they do on children involving perspective. You show them a sculpture of mountains, allow them to walk around it and take in all sides of the structure. On various sides of the mountains, there are landmarks. Now, you sit the child facing one of the landmarks, and then perhaps at a 90 degree angle to the kid you set a stuffed animal.

You then ask the child to describe the scene as it would be seen from the stuffed animals point of view. In general, the child (up to a certain age) will just respond back with what they currently see. They do not realize that the stuffed animal would not see it the same way as they do.

This to me seems to carry over in more subtle ways as we age.


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Re: Is the internet making kids these days more delusional? [Re: CantiSama]
    #7510236 - 10/11/07 07:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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saying that the internet makes kids delusional is just about the same as saying smoking pot makes you lazy and stupid. There is no correlation. People are inherently stupid or smart already, if they get high says nothing about that, but the fact is that stupid people are the ones who get the attention because they get caught. Same thing with the internet. the stupid people get attention because they are the owners of those faces you see plastered all over places like YouTube.




Hold on... you've just replaced "delusional" for "stupidity" which is the fallacy I see in your argument - please do not think I am saying the Internet is making people less intelligent. DELUSIONAL does not mean stupid... it means heavily influenced by a set of false beliefs.


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