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Recognize the Armenian genocide
    #7504541 - 10/10/07 08:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

...and you will get cut, from the BBC. Heh, something makes me think it will suddenly be 'inconvenient' to recognize that particular genocide, just as convenient as it is to think that Christopher Columbus was the Great discoverer of the New World.

    Turkey warns US over genocide law. Armenians say many of them died in the systematic deportations. Turkey has warned the US that bilateral ties will suffer if Washington adopts a bill recognizing as genocide the Ottoman empire's killings of Armenians.

  In a letter to US President George W Bush, Turkish President Abdullah Gul said "serious problems" would emerge if US lawmakers passed the bill. The US House Foreign Affairs Committee is due to discuss the bill this week.

    Ankara rejects Armenian claims that the deaths of some 1.5m Armenians in 1915-17 amounted to genocide.  It admits that many Armenians were killed, but says the deaths were a result of widespread wartime fighting in Turkey during World War I. Armenians have campaigned for the killings to be recognized internationally as genocide. Some countries have done so.

  "Negative effects" In his letter, President Gul "drew attention to the serious problems that will emerge in bilateral relations if the bill is adopted," his office said in a statement.  :crazy: Separately, Parliament Speaker Koksal Toptan warned that "it might take decades to heal negative effects" if the motion was passed.

  "Then, it will be difficult to control the dynamics triggered by Turkish public reaction," Mr Toptan said in a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.  Other Turkish leaders have indicated that Ankara could consider blocking Washington's use of a key military base in Turkey that provides logistical support in Iraq and Afghanistan.

  The House foreign affairs committee is expected to debate the bill on Wednesday. If it is approved, Democratic Speaker Nancy Pelosi may allow a vote. However, it would have no binding effect on US foreign policy. Similar bills in 2000 and 2005 were blocked by senior US politicians. Last year, Turkey cut military co-operation with France after the French parliament passed a bill to make denial of the Armenian genocide an offense - even though it never became law.


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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #7504722 - 10/10/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

fuck Turkey.

if they want to cut us off, they can stop buying arms from us also.


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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: afoaf]
    #7505187 - 10/10/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What the hell does turkey provide for us anyway?


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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: Maverick]
    #7505398 - 10/10/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: Maverick]
    #7505526 - 10/10/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"they are a strategic partner in the global war on terror"


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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #7506427 - 10/10/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I posted about the Armenian genocide here a few years ago and a couple Turkish Shroomerites got on my ass about it.


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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #7506497 - 10/10/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It disgusts me how they try to hide the Armenian genocide, Its alright cause Turkey is filled to the brim with al qaeda wannabe's just lookin to collapse their secular government.


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    #7506867 - 10/10/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7507111 - 10/10/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The Japanese have never apologized for the rape of Nanking...


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    #7507311 - 10/10/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7507365 - 10/10/07 10:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'll add these to things I won't hold my breath for...


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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #7509076 - 10/11/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #7509459 - 10/11/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Regardless of what Turkey or any other country did or did not do in the past, why is it so important for congress to waste time passing resolutions about it? Don't we have enough problems that need fixing? Why create more problems by mucking up the history books with politics? I guess it is easier to piss off Turkey than figure out how to fix the problems we created in Iraq. I wish congress would do their job and let the historians decide what should go into the history books.


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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: Seuss]
    #7509608 - 10/11/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Turkey certainly committed genocide, but I agree that this resolution serves no purpose other then to rile up Turkey. The Turkey - Iraq situation has been made more precarious because of this.


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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: Seuss]
    #7509926 - 10/11/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

there's probably a few districts with strong Armenian ties that have
been pressuring their local reps (Burbank, CA).

the Armenian swing vote is crucial this election season!


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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: Seuss]
    #7510081 - 10/11/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I second that.


Why the fuck would Congress do the jobs they are supposed to do? I think its much more important to pass a worthless resolution on Rush Limbaugh!!!!! I mean, fuck, thats what this country is all about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #7510133 - 10/11/07 06:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

We oughtta pass a resolution to prohibit passing frivelous resolutions that accomplish nothing really...


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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7510376 - 10/11/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what would congress do!?


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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: afoaf]
    #7510481 - 10/11/07 08:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
what would congress do!?




good point.


But otherwise today looks like Turkey terminated Boeings contract, maybe thats why Bush is so hot in the pants on this resolution.

http://www.forbes.com/markets/2007/10/11/boeing-turkey-congress-markets-equity-cx_bw_1011markets40.html

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WASHINGTON - Boeing could lose more than a billion dollars worth of defense contracts with Turkey if the House of Representatives adopts a resolution to label as genocide the killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks nearly a century ago, a State Department official indicated Thursday.

R. Stephen Beecroft, executive assistant to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, told reporters traveling to Russia and the Middle East with the secretary that Turkey would consider canceling its Boeing (nyse: BA - news - people ) contracts if the House passes the measure, which could be voted upon as early as next week.

The Bush administration has lobbied fervently against the resolution, which has touched a raw nerve for Turkey, a strategic Muslim ally of the United States in both the war on terror and in Iraq. On Thursday, Ankara recalled its ambassador to the U.S. for consultations, though he is expected to be back in Washington within a week to 10 days, the Associated Press reported.






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Re: Recognize the Armenian genocide [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7510590 - 10/11/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

they are one of the largest clients of american arms and military
exports.

granted, there are more suppliers in that market these dies (china
and russia).

[edit: great freudian slip...I meant "these days"]

on the one hand, congress making this an issue is a pure joke...do
something useful with your time ffs, but on the other it's yet another
case of corporate profits affecting policy in american politics.

what do I give a fuck if a few american arms dealers lose a rich
customer because we decided to call a spade a spade?


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Edited by afoaf (10/11/07 08:24 PM)


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