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Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups?
#7503315 - 10/09/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It seems I've been able to do less since I've started doing push-upd, or maybe I've reached my threshold?
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7503565 - 10/09/07 10:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, definitely not counteractive. You might not want to do them on the same day, maybe even spaced a couple days apart. There's plenty plenty of other things that could affect it as well. For instance: your diet, energy levels based on your sleep, etc. etc.
While we're at it, do you do anything for your lower body? That's the most important part of your body to work out.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7504373 - 10/10/07 06:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you do any other workouts without weights?
I've been curious about this as I've been trying to work out a lot lately, and I feel a little confined with only with 2 one hand bar-bells and 40 pounds worth of weight to go on them.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7507504 - 10/10/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Run c.7 miles 6/7 a week
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7507545 - 10/11/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im glad you asked being that I am an expert in this field. Push ups develop different muscles but on the downward motion of your pushup your using your back muscles to slowly bring yourslef down otherwise you would slam into the ground. doing a lot of pushups will work the back quite a bit. The back is the primary muscle group involved in doing pull ups to increase reps do more pull ups than push ups because the chest is not involved in doing pull ups and slowly balance it out.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Walter1496211]
#7507741 - 10/11/07 01:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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puahup= pectoralis minor/major the anterior deltoideus and traps also the triceps is activated
pullups= taget latissimus dorsi and teres major and (underhand grip) biceps brachii deltoideus posterior
i think thats it.
you can do them on the same day if u do a "full body" routine, no worries at all.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: ohmatic]
#7508609 - 10/11/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ohmatic said: puahup= pectoralis minor/major the anterior deltoideus and traps also the triceps is activated
pullups= taget latissimus dorsi and teres major and (underhand grip) biceps brachii deltoideus posterior
i think thats it.
you can do them on the same day if u do a "full body" routine, no worries at all.
Yeah, it certainly isn't bad to do them both on the same day. I just suggested he might want to do them on different days because he seemed unhappy that he was able to do less.
Because pushups don't really build mass (unless you're not able to do very many before reaching failure) I figured he wasn't really on a program and just wanted to be able to do as many as possible.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7511557 - 10/12/07 02:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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pushups dont build mass is actually wrong.
both high and low rep work activated hypertrophy, just different kinds of. for example my uncle, he cant bench much and is much taller but does 200 pushups every day and got nice pecs !
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7511870 - 10/13/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yah, pretty much, I just find them fun to do, but would doing as much as I can build up anything?
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7514633 - 10/14/07 02:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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how many PROPERLY exceuted pull ups can you do ?
doing them underhand, you fingertips facing you, you can build quite some biceps/lat mass using them.
once u manage to do more than 3x8 (which should take some time) you can start adding weight by, for example, taking a full water bottle and fixing it to your belt. great way to add resistance and therefor causing new growth stimuli.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: ohmatic]
#7516988 - 10/14/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mix your grip up when you're doing pull-ups, too. Try the underhand grip, overhand, split (one hand underhand, one overhand), parallel, etc. Each grip will allow you to work different muscles.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: skydog]
#7518256 - 10/15/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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dont like the "split grip" myself, only exercise i use it is deadlifts.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: ohmatic]
#7519208 - 10/15/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you mean like the fingertips facing toward you or angled toward you?
I think I'm doing them correctly...
Do you mean 3 sets of 8?
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7519299 - 10/15/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is the grip i am referring to:

to get the best bank for your buck, get the top of your sternum to touch the bar when you are looking over it and keep "leaning back" throughout the entire movement.
google "gironda chin" for instructions.
and yes, 3 sets of 8 are optimum.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: ohmatic]
#7521477 - 10/15/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah, yes I do that
I usually do two sets of 20
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7522213 - 10/16/07 07:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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start doing sets of 8. if you can do more than 3x8 add weight.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: ohmatic]
#7523162 - 10/16/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you for the advice
If I can just stop eating like a pig and cut down or quit smoking I"ll be one healthy stoner
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7523244 - 10/16/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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another advice, alway go down to the "dead hang"
meaning, always allow your arms a FULL stretch at the bottom position and start from there up. that'll active the most fibers possible each time and is a hell of a lot more difficult than having the arms flexed at some angle and starting from there again.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: ohmatic]
#7526149 - 10/16/07 11:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been using the angled arm thing
I'll start using the dead hang and begin from scratch again
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7526709 - 10/17/07 05:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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if u can 2x20 with an angle i wonder how many you can do from the deadhang, im curious
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: ohmatic]
#7526719 - 10/17/07 05:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can get pretty big doing just pushups and pull ups. When I was locked up, toward the end they took the weights. You can do a few different types of pushups t o work different areas of your chest, plus if you create your own tension on the way down you can get results and burn out quicker...personally I hate pushups cuz my shoulder used to click from rotator cuff issues...all good now...
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: ohmatic]
#7527307 - 10/17/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll have an answer today, mind you this would be the first time so I suspect I'll just barely get passed ten
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7527387 - 10/17/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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another great way to add weight is to just hold a dumbell between your feet..it also helps to minimize swinging which allows you to keep your chest up and back straight better
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7527432 - 10/17/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where do you do the pull ups? Do you go to a gym or have you got a pullup bar at home?
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7529045 - 10/17/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pull up bar
I did 16 for the first set of chin ups then 14 for the next
Then 6 for the first set of pull ups and 4 the next
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7530207 - 10/18/07 06:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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feels different, doesnt it
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: ohmatic]
#7530797 - 10/18/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, but much more fulfilling
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7530925 - 10/18/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hyper_Panda_GO said: Yes, but much more fulfilling
oooooooooh yeah !
a little tip for you, concentrate on just doing one sort of pull/chinup.
as for the underhand, see if you can do 3x8 with good form (no swing of legs, do not use momentum, slow and controlled.)
form deadhang to looking over the bar (full head over bar).
1 minute rest between sets, take a stopwatch.
if you can do this, strap a water bottle or alike to your belt and see 2 days later if you manage to still hit 3x8 with the added resistance. find a weight to make it challenging !
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7530938 - 10/18/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The kind of bar you put in a doorway or one with a stand?
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7531082 - 10/18/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stand
I usually do the two sets, one before a run, one after
Should I just start doing all three before the run?
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7531374 - 10/18/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hyper_Panda_GO said: Stand
I usually do the two sets, one before a run, one after
Should I just start doing all three before the run?
oooooooooh yeah !
1 minute rest between sets, take a stopwatch.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7535584 - 10/19/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hyper_Panda_GO said: Yes, but much more fulfilling
I agree 
I've been using the deadhang technique now at the gym, and it is much more effective. Without the deadhang it felt like I could do chin-ups all day :p
It is similar to going all the way down on squats (ie: getting your thighs parallel to the ground).
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: skydog]
#7535969 - 10/19/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I guess that's my new workout thing
Pretty healthy I'd say
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7537270 - 10/19/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i do nothing but bodyweight exercises and i have seen considerable gains in strength and size.
i dont know what sorts of pushups you do, but you should try hindu pushups, they work alot more than regular pushups. even better would be to start doing burpees and incorporate hindu pushups where you would normally do regular pushups. also, handstand pushups are very good to do as well. it took me quite some time to get here but i am now able to do 40 hindu pushups, 25 handstand pushups and then 3 sets of 10 pull ups. all of them at medium to slow pace.
the great thing about bodyweight exercises is there is no waiting period like weights. i do my BW exercises every single day, sometimes twice daily.
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7538104 - 10/20/07 02:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Much as I agree with you about the burpees, I hate them with a passion that simply will not allow me to do them of my free will
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Re: Are push-ups counteractive to pull-ups/chin-ups? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7539418 - 10/20/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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leftysurprise said: the great thing about bodyweight exercises is there is no waiting period like weights.
not true. hypertrophy can only take place in rest periods, however your XX lbs body wont be able to hit muscle X as much as the XX+5 lbs weight you can adjust on iron. therefor minimizing recovery time as the maximum simply is hit somewhen and cannot be increased beyond.
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