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Offlinezero cool
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is patching necessary? pic
    #7501336 - 10/09/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

here is one of three trays that i have going right now. they are crumbled cakes cased with MGMC.
day 5
should i patch the areas that have popped through the casing layer? also, should i keep misting the casing layer until the mycelium has totally taken over the casing layer? how long till this is complete? thanks!


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: zero cool]
    #7501464 - 10/09/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

patch them a little bit then fruit them. im a newb tho, only made 2 monotubs so far. I'm using MGMC too so i wanna see how yours turns out. did u pasteurize your casing?


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: ButterWeasels]
    #7501476 - 10/09/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

nah, i read that it is ready to go right out of the bag so i didnt bother. haven't had any contams so far...*keeping fingers crossed* did you pasturize yours?


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: ButterWeasels]
    #7501480 - 10/09/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Patching isn't necessary, but it helps to produce an even pinset which generally means more fruits. Take a look at Hyphae's Pinning Strategy. It is a definite must read for any cultivator.


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: soulsizzle]
    #7501488 - 10/09/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

when you DO patch, how much do you put over the areas? i mean, how thick? 1/4 inch or so?


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: toadstooly]
    #7501506 - 10/09/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just enough to cover it.
I'd say 16th to 1/8th inch.


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #7501523 - 10/09/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i've never noticed a difference between pinsets patched or not. most of the time my casing layers seem to recover the spot by falling back onto the mycelium once picked.


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: anthony034]
    #7501568 - 10/09/07 12:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

should i keep misting until all the mycelium has taken over the casing layer? i have already placed into the FC.


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: zero cool]
    #7504016 - 10/10/07 01:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You probably won't notice a big difference either way. Some people seem to notice less contam problems when they keep the mycelium patched throughout the grow. But realy the main reason is as stated above, you'll get a more even pinset and a bigger yeild.


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: zero cool]
    #7510190 - 10/11/07 07:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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zero cool said:
should i keep misting until all the mycelium has taken over the casing layer? i have already placed into the FC.




Once again, take a look at hyphae's pinning strategy (link above). It is very specific and immensely helpful.

But here's a general overview.
  • Let substrate colonize 100%
  • Apply casing layer and continue incubating
  • Wait about three days. Patch spots where mycelium has poked through. You probably won't need much. Just enough to make sure no white is visible.
  • Place in fruiting chamber and continue to provide a good amount of fresh air exchange and 90+% humidity.
  • Continue light, indirect misting at least until you see pins. I usually mist throughout the entire growth. Mushrooms love the moisture.


Note: Incubating does not mean that heat is applied. Casings should be incubated at room temperature.

Additionally, the mycelium should never completely overtake the the casing layer. That would eliminate the casing layer's ability to create a micro-environment and defeat it's purpose. As long as you follow hyphae's pinning strategy and provide plenty of FAE, things should work out pretty well. Essentially, when you apply the casing layer, it will have various hills and valleys. You want the mycelium to poke through the different valleys all over the casing layer.


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: anthony034]
    #7510205 - 10/11/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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i've never noticed a difference between pinsets patched or not. most of the time my casing layers seem to recover the spot by falling back onto the mycelium once picked.




We are referring to patching before the first flush even. Patching after each harvest isn't generally necessary, because the pins are pretty much already set by this point.


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: soulsizzle]
    #7510850 - 10/11/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

thanks a lot guys! this is why i love this forum! everyone is always ready to help the new guys! thanks again!


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: soulsizzle]
    #7530659 - 10/18/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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We are referring to patching before the first flush even. Patching after each harvest isn't generally necessary, because the pins are pretty much already set by this point.




So if I picked all the aborts and completely cleaned the casing layer of fruits will more start to pin or should I have left the aborts and under-developed ones there? I was under the impression that all mushrooms should be picked within a 24 hour period and after that they start to rot, and that all aborts etc. should be picked off.


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: ButterWeasels]
    #7531104 - 10/18/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Mushies will NOT rot until LONG after the veil tears, LONG AFTER, people say to pick it all in 24 hours so as to start even and fresh.

Some peeps harvest the individual fruits as they are ready, though this requires more effort, it ensures maximum size.

But remember, the longer they grow, the weaker they get per gram.

Try picking before any veil tearing, and remove aborts ASAP, so as to free up resources for the fruits that will mature.


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7531163 - 10/18/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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remove aborts ASAP, so as to free up resources for the fruits that will mature.




Never thought of that, thanks for the tip! And I'm going for size really, my first harvest I picked them all at once but next time I'll pick the ones that bust their caps early and let the rest mature. H202 is melting my cobweb as we speak so hopefully I get another harvest soon, lol.


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Re: is patching necessary? pic [Re: ButterWeasels]
    #7536131 - 10/19/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just be sure not to pick the pins, as these will still develop into full size fruits. Aborts generally have a black head, while a pin's is generally reddish.


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