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IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus?
    #7500637 - 10/09/07 06:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok,

What do you guys with a better knowledge in biology and mushrooms think about this article..
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/CancerIsAFungus.html

Or am I mixing apples and oranges?!
Can consuption of magic mushrooms triger Candida albicans?
Mckenna's example of his own brain tumor surely wouldnt fall into the category of a debunking strategy..?


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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: Sats]
    #7501942 - 10/09/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That article is the most worthless rubbish that I've ever seen. Cancer cells are mutated human cells, they have nothing to do with fungi. This is painfully obvious from even the most cursory observation of them.

I can assure you that the billions spent on cancer research have not been wasted without discovering far more than what could be seen by simply looking at a biopsy slide.

Suggesting that yeast infections are the cause of cancer is so ridiculous as to be offensive to anyone with the slightest understanding of cancer or cell biology.

In short, Dr. Simoncini is a fucking retard, or a scammer willing to prey on the sickest, most vulnerable, and desperate of patients.

He obviously doesn't know the first thing about cell biology or fungi.

Dr. Simoncini: "Imperfect fungi (so called because of the lack of knowledge and understanding of their biological processes) deserve particular attention..."

Fungi imperfecti are so called because they have no known sexual cycle. This basic misrepresentation of mycological terminology and phylogeny should alone tell you that they guy doesn't have a fucking clue.

BTW every scientist and doctor that has commented on Mckenna's brain tumor have stated that there is no connection with his drug usage.


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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: fastfred]
    #7502136 - 10/09/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

tnx for the post,
I have absolutely no knowledge in biology so I wanted your help guys,.
still it sounded important for me to share, if you guys want to poo poo this subject more you are more then welcomed, providing that you have knowledge about what you are talking about,.

I was hoping for such an answer!

More opinions!?!


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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: Sats]
    #7502157 - 10/09/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

still if you claim that human cancer cells have nothing to do with fungi what does this mean when you enter the specific fungi in wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candida_albicans

Systemic fungal infections (fungemias) have emerged as important causes of morbidity and mortality in immunocompromised patients (e.g., AIDS, cancer chemotherapy, organ or bone marrow transplantation). In addition, hospital-related infections in patients not previously considered at risk (e.g. patients on an intensive care unit) have become a cause of major health concern.

of course i'm not saying that wikipedia is the truth, but still are there more opinions,? i'm sorry that my biology is poor, but it's good to have this theme so similar people without knowledge can get a good answer,..


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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: Sats]
    #7502181 - 10/09/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Systemic fungal infections (fungemias) have emerged as important causes of morbidity and mortality in immunocompromised patients (e.g., AIDS, cancer chemotherapy, organ or bone marrow transplantation).




This is true. It means cancer/chemo patients and those with AIDS are more succeptable to fungal infections. Persons with AIDS have been found with trichoderma, a common mold, growing in their lungs. It isn't saying the mold caused the cancer or AIDS, but that people who already have cancer or AIDS should be careful. I've advised much the same in the contamination forum here for years.
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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7530992 - 10/18/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Might be worth nothing that Dr. Simoncini has parlayed his "theory" about cancer causality into a home business selling books telling people how to cure it with baking soda.


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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7533073 - 10/18/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Persons with AIDS have been found with trichoderma, a common mold, growing in their lungs.




:shocked:


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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7535187 - 10/19/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Fungi could be the cure, certain chemichals that can be extracted from a very resilient type of fungi are know to attack cancer cells.


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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: Somatic]
    #7547289 - 10/22/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's also worth noting that, while certain mold or fungi can aggravate existing candida problems in some victims, even a high dosage of cubensis is not a significant enough amount of shroom to really have any impact.


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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: Sats]
    #7569338 - 10/28/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well,.

you guys reviewed this in a very shallow manner,
specially that first idiot that made a reply,.
The doctor is far from being an idiot and a scam,.
He never claims that cancer cells are fungi but that they are iritated by it and that the whole community like sheeps is looking in the wrong direction of genes,
he claims that the fungi doesnt come after cancer but that it is other way around,..
PLEASE at least look at his videos, they are short and very interesting!!

http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/video-simoncini.html

http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/cancer-therapy-simoncini-protocol.html
http://cancertutor.com/Other/CurrentStudy.html
http://www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty/wong/BOT135/Lect03_b.htm
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/CancerIsAFungus.html


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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: Sats]
    #7569745 - 10/28/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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He never claims that cancer cells are fungi




He must've missed that when naming his book "Cancer is a Fungus".

He advocates treating cancer with baking soda. The concept is interesting, the science is not. This guy is just like 800 other quacks who let profit by bating people desperate to cure their disease by making impossible claims.

I'd love to see anything he published that was peer-reviewed, in an accepted science journal. As best I can tell, no one with as much as an undergraduate biology degree believes this stuff


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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: Sats]
    #7577277 - 10/30/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Sats said:
you guys reviewed this in a very shallow manner,
specially that first idiot that made a reply,.





Hey, I'm not the one making wild claims. I obviously know a lot more about fungi than this quack scam artist. And I'm pretty sure that I have more peer-reviewed journal articles than he does.

Have fun taking your baking soda. :P


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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: fastfred]
    #7577280 - 10/30/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

(my cancer's still killing me but I have some bitching shiny teeth!)


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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: Sats]
    #7578027 - 10/30/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Sats said:
Well,.

you guys reviewed this in a very shallow manner,
specially that first idiot that made a reply,.
The doctor is far from being an idiot and a scam,.
He never claims that cancer cells are fungi but that they are iritated by it and that the whole community like sheeps is looking in the wrong direction of genes,
he claims that the fungi doesnt come after cancer but that it is other way around,..
PLEASE at least look at his videos, they are short and very interesting!!

http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/video-simoncini.html

http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/cancer-therapy-simoncini-protocol.html
http://cancertutor.com/Other/CurrentStudy.html
http://www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty/wong/BOT135/Lect03_b.htm
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/CancerIsAFungus.html




Are you kidding me? lol

I know Fred stepped up for himself here... but...

Really, YOU came here looking for answers from people who were "in the know" regarding mushrooms and whether or not this guys theory on cancer was plausible... You received an educated answer from one of the best which you took and were thankful for, then after looking at some crackpot vids on youtube you decide the info is rubbish? lmao, gimmie a break.

A) How about doing genuine research yourself on Cancer, what causes cancer and the different treatment options...

B) How about doing genuine research yourself on Mushrooms, effects, toxicity, and the use through history...

C) Come up with the conclusion on your own that the "Dr." is a fucking nut job...

D) Come back an apologize to Fred!

Ha! Fungus and cancer...

Later!

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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: Acinaxuz]
    #7578304 - 10/30/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: IMPORTANT! Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? [Re: Sats]
    #7578456 - 10/30/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
Regardless, this is advanced mycology, and this subject isn't related to advanced mycological techniques, whether cancer is caused by fungus or not. Perhaps a medical discussion board would be more on-topic for this subject.
RR


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