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Offlinegrapejelly

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Casing Crumbled Cakes
    #7500544 - 10/09/07 05:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I've read many posts regarding crumbling up pf tek cakes and casing them, but I'm not really sure why people recommend this. You aren't adding any nutes to the substrate, so I really don't understand the purpose of casing cakes unless they were spawned to something. Or is there something I'm missing with this?


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Re: Casing Crumbled Cakes [Re: grapejelly]
    #7500821 - 10/09/07 08:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it creates a micro climate that provides moisture and helpful bacteria (thats why u dont sterilize)


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Re: Casing Crumbled Cakes [Re: ButterWeasels]
    #7500826 - 10/09/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Cakes are crumbled so that they can be cased. They are cased because the casing layer provides much more moisture to the mycelium, versus just dunking and rolling. In addition to what butterweasels said.


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Re: Casing Crumbled Cakes [Re: Xeluc]
    #7500899 - 10/09/07 09:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I dont know about everyone else but let me tell you, I ALWAYS pasturize my casing material and the only time things go wrong with the casing layer is when I dont.

I.E poor mycellium reception, stalled growth, bacteria flourishes (not the good kind)

Anywho, If your going to crumble and case you need a 500ml of spawn so two 250ml will do you fine, or you could try spawning it to some hpoo/coir/straw/coffee grinds, wichever.

Here's some old pic's of when I first started out.



500ml cake crumbled and cased to a 50/50 verm/coir casing layer.



500ml of pink buffalo

Old butter dishes are great, inexpensive waays for beginners to practice their casing/bulk subs :smile:


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Re: Casing Crumbled Cakes [Re: grapejelly]
    #7501472 - 10/09/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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cupcake said:
I've read many posts regarding crumbling up pf tek cakes and casing them, but I'm not really sure why people recommend this. You aren't adding any nutes to the substrate, so I really don't understand the purpose of casing cakes unless they were spawned to something. Or is there something I'm missing with this?




I don't see any reason not to spawn them to bulk substrate.


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Re: Casing Crumbled Cakes [Re: veilbreaker]
    #7501548 - 10/09/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i decided to leave the world of cakes behind recently. spawned up five 1/2 pint brf cakes to coir/coffee.

seems to be working thus far. pinset wont be as even though.


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Re: Casing Crumbled Cakes [Re: veilbreaker]
    #7501626 - 10/09/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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veilbreaker said:

I don't see any reason not to spawn them to bulk substrate.





Thats what I just did this morning. 2 pints of cakes to 4 pints of coir supplemented with coffee and gypsum in a small monotub. I'll wait for it to colonize then case it. It's only 2.5 inches deep tho.


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Re: Casing Crumbled Cakes [Re: anthony034]
    #7501738 - 10/09/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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anthony034 said:
i decided to leave the world of cakes behind recently. spawned up five 1/2 pint brf cakes to coir/coffee.





Me too, and I love it. Once you learn about bulk Coir/Coffee/Rye, why bother with PF jars? Unless its just to create a small amount of spawn.


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Re: Casing Crumbled Cakes [Re: Weed_Indicated]
    #7504007 - 10/10/07 01:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Casing your PF cakes should give a much higher yeild per cake than simply fruiting as they are.
This is the case even if you don't spawn to bulk substrate, but it only gets better if you do!


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Re: Casing Crumbled Cakes [Re: Agave]
    #7504210 - 10/10/07 04:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Agave said:
Casing your PF cakes should give a much higher yeild per cake than simply fruiting as they are. 
This is the case even if you don't spawn to bulk substrate, but it only gets better if you do!


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As has been proven over and over in these forums (do a search if you don't believe me), crumbled and cased cakes do not have higher yeilds than uncrumbled, dunk and rolled cakes.
In fact the yeild is lower, as more nutrients from the cake have to be used up to repair the damage made by crumbling.

A properly dunked and rolled cake in a fruiting chamber with the correct humidity levels is one of the most biologically efficient methods of growing there are.

By crumbling (and not adding substrate) all you are doing is submitting your cakes to aditional stress and risking contamination, without gaining anything.

On the other hand, if you are crumbling and mixing into a bulk substrate, that's a whole other ball game :laugh:


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Re: Casing Crumbled Cakes [Re: Nibin]
    #7504220 - 10/10/07 04:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I researched this subject some more and found this thread.

In it, RR states:

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RogerRabbit said:
Crumbling pf cakes to case them is a waste. You're much better off to dunk the cakes for 24 hours, then roll in verm and place in fruiting conditions. You'll get a harvest of equal size much faster, with less chance of contaminants.
RR




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RogerRabbit said:
Cakes make excellent spawn to bulk substrates. You can use them to inoculate horse manure, coir, coffee, etc, and substantially increase yields. However, simply breaking up cakes and adding a casing layer that has no food for the mycelium does little good, and runs the risk of destroying all your work to get to that point. I suggest either spawning cakes to a bulk substrate or doing a dunk and roll, but forget about crumble and case.
RR




So yeah, I'm still not sure why so many people recommend just casing cakes.


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Re: Casing Crumbled Cakes [Re: grapejelly]
    #7504229 - 10/10/07 05:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yep, wot I said, lol.

I have read those or similar statements from RR and others so many times that I also wonder why some people insist on crumbling and casing.

Listen up everyone, IT'S A WASTE OF TIME !!!!


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