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SapphireCat
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Re: Cop kills 6 party go-ers for calling him a "worthless pig". [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#7502658 - 10/09/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Could someone point out to me just one instance in that story where it said the cop shot the kids for calling him a "worthless pig"?
it says it in the second link that was provided that this triggered the snap. Chances are it probably was true. And I'd have to agree with whattheheck's views as unpopular as they may be.
yes you do have the right of free speech. Common courtesy would suggest that you do not use that right to insult people. Common sense would tell you not to provoke a man who is obviously angry.
I was in a situation, where i was out, hoing to patch things up with my gf at the time, she ended up going off with a guy, and i saw them together, i must say i was on the verge of hitting him with anything i get my hands on. Like it was rage that i had never felt before, and looking back i'm shocked that i was so close to losing control, generally i'm not violent and am willing to flow with what comes to me. Anyway to make a point from that story: if someone would have insulted me at that point when i was on the verge, and i had access to a gun i would have used it.
As for the cop thing being relevant? for shroomery members: probably not. we tend to view cops differently than the rest of the population.
Generally it would be seen as outrageous for a cop to fall into such an emotional outburst. They're all just people. As for the cop haters: again, they're just people. The ones that abuse their power will obviously stick out more, than maybe the cop who saw you walking along smoking a joint and decided to look the other way.
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whattheheck
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Re: Cop kills 6 party go-ers for calling him a "worthless pig". [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#7503012 - 10/09/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow
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whattheheck
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Re: Cop kills 6 party go-ers for calling him a "worthless pig". [Re: SapphireCat]
#7503113 - 10/09/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, there is ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD between what I heard reported, that being that he showed up and they started ragging on him (and chances are that he may have started the whole situation) and he returned to shoot the place up. The difference between that and an unprovoked attack is the key. Why? The laws of our country do understand when it comes to the ability of words to hurt others. Assault, slander, verbal malice (I believe that's what it is) etc show that speaking can and DOES harm individuals, corporations, and so on. Not to mention that mere words are so many times the match that sparks violence.
So am I saying that if he was provoked that it's cool, okay, that "they got what they had coming?" NO!!!! NEVER!! That was the hallucinations of others.
To sum it up, I'm angry. I'm angry that America is full of pack mentality bullies who crush the spirits out of other children, that nobody seems to think getting in a good old fistfight might be the way to go these days, that everybody who has an issue with a bully seemingly runs for a gun and instant fame. I'm saddened that the few teachers and administrators who do care have their lives threatened and now live in a state of fear due to these things, and many are leaving public service, leaving all the more room for crappy "teachers".
I'm sad that these children were murdered over words. And we'll never really know what the real story is. Having lived in a small town like that, where everyone literally knows almost everything about each other, there HAS to be a lot of background that we don't know. But they didn't need to die. Any of them.
Just sickening.
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Re: Cop kills 6 party go-ers for calling him a "worthless pig". [Re: whattheheck]
#7503141 - 10/09/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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No problem, in the end we'll all die, which is why I find no trouble physically defending myself from someone I know I'll lose against
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whattheheck
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Re: Cop kills 6 party go-ers for calling him a "worthless pig". [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7503210 - 10/09/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've always enjoyed your posts Panda, and Spicy Tuna Roll too. (I lurked for a couple years before I re-joined) I know I came off as insensitive, and without my background, it would seem that way. But this issue has been for over 20 years near and dear to my heart. I mean, I HATE having spiders in my house, but I do my best to capture them to set them free, and that's the heart I had before everything started.
So what was it that led me to the point of a Columbine? What is leading these kids to that point? Why for every 1 whattheheck per school in 1989 do we have 100 or more today? What can we do to stop these tragedies? I care. A great deal.
And sadly, after nearly three years of working in one of the best charter programs in the country (#'s wise) with some great people, I am no closer to an answer other than each one of us who has the capacity in them to find a child who's broken, and love them up unconditionally. Because almost all of them will break your heart at one point or another. It's hard.
I know this wasn't a school shooting, but in my heart it feels that way.
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Re: Cop kills 6 party go-ers for calling him a "worthless pig". [Re: whattheheck]
#7503231 - 10/09/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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SapphireCat and whattheheck, I completely agree with you guys. I hope that no one saw my posts as approving or justifying his behavior. It disgusts me that shit like this happens. People don't realize how powerful words really are. People rise up with words. Wars and fights are generally started with words and then escalate to violence. I do not believe that we should live in a padded society where we are afraid to say something, out of offending another person, but we do need to choose when to speak and when to shut the fuck up. I am a non-violent person. The only fight I have ever been in was pretty much one-sided as I was jumped. Having done the roommate thing a number of times, I have had plenty of instances where a fight could have happened, but I am a person who walks away from shit like that because it gives time for someone to cool down and realize that maybe somethings wrong.
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Re: Cop kills 6 party go-ers for calling him a "worthless pig". [Re: Maverick]
#7504160 - 10/10/07 03:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This whole thing really shakes me up inside.
I wish they would tell us more about the guys reasons for shooting all these people. Having a fight with your ex girlfriend and getting called a pig..it just doesn't add up, there has to be more.
My honest feelings are there are so many people who deserve to be massacred, people without natural affection, people who are so vile and morally corrupt, who are so evil and have such a lack of consideration for other people's feelings..but we don't have the right to carry out that judgement. I wish there was real justice, not just aainst rape and murder, but against people who are mean hearted towards others in all aspects. I feel that these crimes are not just against one person, but against all humanity. We all live together in this world, and love builds up in love, and if you work hard to sow in love, you will reap the fruits of righteousness and peace. Likewise, our actions affect not just one person but like a ripple in water, our actions ripple throughout society, often for generations and generations.
I have had violent thoughts about quickly making an end of people who were unhuman, and I feel my feelings are natural. I don't think everyone will see things the same way, if they did the world would be so much of a different place, more compassionate and taking consideration more for thier words and actions. But I recognise there's a good way and a bad way to deal with that anger, and it's almost always not the good way to quickly make an end of someones live, even if they deserve it.
People mentioned him being allowed to be a deputy and not even old enough to drink beer. This does seem to be a very unique scenario and it's incedibly tragic. I think it's much more reasonable to see how someone of such a young age could reasonably join the army and not be allowed to be a cop, from what I can tell in the army there is a much grater level of structure and accountability to authority. As a cop, you are allowed a wide degree of lenience in how to interperet the law and carry out law enforcement.
I hope I didn't miss anything important. This really tears me up.
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