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microwave vs boiling?
    #7498788 - 10/08/07 06:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i hate to bring this topic up incase it brings up many arguments and chaos but which would you prefer? Boiling due to fact that microwave is outdated or Microwave bc boiling the steam can release if not careful and can crack jars?


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: stxlacrosse022]
    #7498820 - 10/08/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what are you boiling here? If it's PK tek jars, go for the boiling. If you're just doing a casing mix, you can get away with the microwave. At least, I did on my last grow


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: DigitalNomad]
    #7498841 - 10/08/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

boiling is better than a microwave imho. ive never microwaved before though.. put a 100% cotton towel/rag beneath your jars and they wont crack.


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: futurewolf42o]
    #7498879 - 10/08/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i boiled my last brf jars with 2 layers and 2 rags on top of lids. then put jars in put and boiled for hour and 10 mins and i didn't have any success with the jars :frown:. but i think it was the spore i received...but i brought up topic bc i saw a microwave tek and had some good reviews and some bad and I'm always looking to trying new ways to grow to help out myself and others :smile:


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: stxlacrosse022]
    #7498884 - 10/08/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

pressure cooker!


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: futurewolf42o]
    #7498899 - 10/08/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well i am sorta cheep and a pressure cooker is out of the way at the moment until i get better at this hobby and i have to make sure i enjoy it ( i am sure i will). but yep i use pot and lid method for the moment :smile:


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: stxlacrosse022]
    #7498914 - 10/08/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

they sell cheap ones on ebay for 20-30 bucks. i used steam twice. the first time with 100% success, the second time with 20%. i guess its a number game hehe.


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: futurewolf42o]
    #7498929 - 10/08/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:smile:
well i hope my numbers turn up great!!
any other opinions?


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: stxlacrosse022]
    #7499066 - 10/08/07 07:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Used 12 half pint PF-Tek jars (BRF + verm) and boiled/steamed them for about 50-55 minutes after reaching low boil/simmer (with washcloth on bottom of pan). Inoculated with a Sporeworks PF Classic (PES Amazonian) 10 cc syringe. I believe the spores were deceivingly clumpy, because not a single jar had more than 2 spots with successful growth.

Took a bit over a month from inoculation -> fully colonized. Only lost three jars. Seems lucky for the ungodly amount of time it took to cover the cake.

That being said. I would say never microwave pf tek jars. I have not honestly tried, but I eat quite a bit of microwave food and the center/outside are cooked drastically different. If you microwaved long enough to kill everything to the center of the cake you'd most like have wasted a lot of water on the surface layer of the cake. If you were to use 20-40% power for a long period of time I would imagine it would work much better than straight nuking.

Boiling is easily done with no specialized equipment. And seems quite effective done properly (with appropriate jar sizes/substrates, mostly half pint brfs). I haven't had a mass jar suicide yet. :grin:


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: redfishbluefish]
    #7499092 - 10/08/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

thx very much for info
does boiling take longer to incubate that pc?
also could i just do a karo then inject the karo into my jars after steralized?


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: stxlacrosse022]
    #7499187 - 10/08/07 07:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

microwaves remove krilian energy from what they alter (heat)

This is the basic energy given off by life.

The effects of this are unknown.

It sounds bad...


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: futurewolf42o]
    #7499530 - 10/08/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

futurewolf42o said:
pressure cooker!




QFMFT!


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: Chi Ro]
    #7499562 - 10/08/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have used the microwave.

Its a bit more difficult than boiling. You really need to juggle your jars and do successive heating pulses as it gets incredibly hot in there fast.

Personally I believe from my experience that it is just as successful as boiling if you follow some sort of system where you nuke the jar 5 minutes (maybe less/more depending on jar), let cool, nuke again, etc etc.

I had the added challenge that my "jars" were not jars and were infact tupperware containers. Substrate burning through the container was a very real possibility and did happen to me once or twice.


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Re: microwave vs boiling? [Re: Chi Ro]
    #7499569 - 10/08/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yea dude use a pressure cooker you'll have less mess and almost no contams. amazon.com has them for cheaper than most sites if you want a new one. Plus you can use it for pasteurizing casing jars and substrate bags :laugh:  its well worth the investment.


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