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boletusoftruth
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Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY
#7498778 - 10/08/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay I tripped on approximately 2 grams this weekend, and during the trip some of the classes I was taking came into mind, one of them being AP Biology. Now for some this will be abstract, but to those who can see eye to eye with me than please contribute. Keep in mind this was a thought produced in an altered state of mind, so do not ridicule my thought process please :-)
Originally scientists believed DNA would be a set of one gene, after another, after another. However scientist have instead discovered in DNA there is a gene, then stuff, then a gene, then stuff. What this "stuff" actually is, is currently unknown. However I had a thought on the matter.
Follow this digression. A computer can code anything, images, songs, games, in essentially 2 numbers, 1 and 0. This is referred to as binary. Similarly your body is coded with only 4 letters AT CG. These letters join together in your DNA to form genes that sequence the production of proteins. (simplifications to allow ease of understanding)
Now what if the "stuff" in between genes, was not really stuff at all, but learning so to speak. Thought on a molecular level has to be something. If you say thought is electrical impulses stimulating the brain, you are looking at the big picture. Try and delve deeper. What if memories and thought were a sequence of AT CG stored in between the genes on your DNA. Just as a computer reads 1000111010010 to be a picture, your body could read ATCCGGAT to be an image of your mother.
Now the biggest point here is that the "stuff" in between genes has to be different between cells. If every cell has the same stuff, than it cant be inconsistent information, which is what memories are. Even minute differences in the stuff between cells could mean major things. Take for example sickle cell anemia. In normal hemoglobin the 6th amino acid is Glutanic Acid, while people with sickle cell anemia disease have a 6th amino acid of Valene. A small difference correct? Just one amino acid out of sequence. However that small difference is the only thing that differs someone with sickle cell anemia, to someone without it. Small variations between the stuff, could translate to large variations in the information stored.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: boletusoftruth]
#7498890 - 10/08/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm confused...what do you think this stuff is?
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: boletusoftruth]
#7499054 - 10/08/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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o...m...g... dude you have just answered a question i have been trying to answer for another idea i have had... now the biology im not up to speed on BUT i will send you a mssage i have to git with you on this!!!! dude good thinking
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: Gotdung]
#7499102 - 10/08/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im thinking that the "stuff" is a series of A T C G that your body can interpret as information as a computer interprets 1 and 0 as information. Instead of forming proteins which DNA genes do, the stuff in between genes on the DNA structure is coded as the cells divide, giving a place for information storage in each cell.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: boletusoftruth]
#7499115 - 10/08/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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My whole thought process behind this was where could information be stored in your brain? The ABC's for example, is there a cell in your brain that has the ABC's on it? No thats impossible. What could be in your cells however that could be read to mean ABC. Seeing as how DNA is somehow read to create the structure and function of life, i didnt think it was too farfetched that DNA could store information such as the ABC,s memories, thought processes, etc
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: boletusoftruth]
#7499128 - 10/08/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is true WHAT IF you could use that code to send information or even change the structure of you DNA??? what if you could change anything you wanted cure anything there is means to do that your brain is a processor your spine acts like a mother board electrical impulses send the information you have the code now the frequency would be needed at which to send this information and a medium to send it
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: Gotdung]
#7499196 - 10/08/07 07:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is completely and utterly absurd
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: Shromasta]
#7499204 - 10/08/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay there are minor inaccuracies but the fundamental are completely correct. The brain itself doesn't sequence the DNA, DNA actually sequences the brain. From the time a zygote is formed (single cell stage of multicellular organism) until the time that organism is completely full grown, the DNA is the same in EVERY cell. Fat cells, brain cells, muscle cells, they all have the SAME DNA. Now the reason for blindness and other such things is inaccuracies of the normal DNA (although who are we being mortal men to denote what is normal and fit to live on this earth). In a nut shell the DNA instead of coding for a function eye, codes for a malfunctions eye that cannot see. Now if we can somehow FIX the DNA in a cell then we could cure the blindness. However the problem is by the time a human is in the stage of birth, it is millions of cells large. Each individual cell having the same faulty DNA that prevents eyesight. So what we would have to do is some how rewire EVERY cell to contain the new DNA. If somehow the brain, liver, whatever it may be, could create enzymes, send out a signal to over time replace all the faulty DNA, with DNA that would enable eyesight, we could cure blindness. It wouldn't be an immediate cure, but over a few years hopefully that person would have fully functional eyesight. However tying into the machine thing. Another possibility i just thought of is this. If we can figure out how the brain interprets what your eyes see as an image, then perhaps we can create a machine that in essence is an artificial eye, and can send the same electrical impulses to the brain, so although your eyes are still not functional, your brain can still "see".
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: Shromasta]
#7499219 - 10/08/07 07:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shromasta said: That is completely and utterly absurd
THE EARTH IS ROUND??? NO I SAY IT IS FLAT!! BURN THE HERETIC AT THE STAKE!!!
Of course yes I could and probably am wrong, but until I'm proven wrong with some fact or thought than I'm going to keep entertaining the idea.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: Gotdung]
#7499224 - 10/08/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you talking about Non-coding_DNA?
If this thing does store memory, then your memory are duplicated across all cells?
How would the brain read this memory?
Also I remembering reading some where; memory is the result of set patterns in the neural network of the brain.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
#7499235 - 10/08/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes im reffering to the JUNK DNA. And the thing im relying on, is that the JUNK DNA is different even if only minutely between cells. How would the brain read the DNA? No idea, hell i cant fathom how a series of 1 and 0 can be interpreted by a computer to create a game...
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
#7499246 - 10/08/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also, if this thing is as you say. Then wouldn't the system have full blown redundancy, since memory is stored in DNA's?
They we couldn't have memory problems, i.e ... what do you call the condition where where you forget, after say trauma to the head.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
#7499275 - 10/08/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hmmm this isnt something to be debated on threw this medium it would have to be researched and looked into lol but this makes a hella good convo
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
#7499279 - 10/08/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh we're working on brain electronic interfaces. We're proably going to be able to build artificial organs that interface with brain perfectly in the near future.
We could also create nano machines, that goes around in your body and fix whatever is broken.
Another thing is to hook nano machines to your DNA; so we could fix all DNA duplication errors. Keeping the cells alive forever, without duplication errors (no cancer) implies living forever!
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
#7499356 - 10/08/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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give all my memories to my kids, using genes!:D
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: boletusoftruth]
#7499403 - 10/08/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you ever read the book 'genome'?
I have had thoughts similar to this, and have been thinking about it a lot recently.
Have you ever thought about the entire evolutionary history of life on this planet as being a mechanism for transcribing information about the universe into the DNA code? It seems to fit with the entire picture of life. Species rise and fall and are trimmed to the perfect form by natural selection, translating the unavoidable features of the physical world into information in the genetic code.
Even our daily consciousness affects our physical bodies, which affects the genetic code over generations. So it would seem nature favors that with deeper awareness, that with a deeper ability to encode the universe.
Human curiosity is driven by that need to put into language, math, everything that it is aware of.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
#7499408 - 10/08/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Original theory, not buying it. simply because there's far too many cases where there is some trauma to your brain that causes you to forget things. Stroke for example. Not enough blood to certain parts of the brain. Causes you to forget basic skills, memory, etc. Alzheimer's, plaque build up in the brain I believe. Head traumas, etc etc. The DNA in your brain is not different from the DNA in your stomach, or liver, or kidneys.
As for living forever via fixing coding errors...it's not the errors that cause us to age. Sure we could fix all genetic disease, but we'd still age. I believe there's a theory that says when chromosomes divide, the lose a little bit of the coding at the ends, I think it's called the telomere? Anyway, the idea is that this DNA is noncoding, so it doesn't matter that it gets sliced away, but eventually the cell runs out of that, and it starts cutting into the good coding dna, which causes 'aging.' Cancer cells actually have something that prevents this, hence why theyre effectively 'immortal.'
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
#7499425 - 10/08/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, your hypothesis is that experience is transmogrified through human senses into impulses of energy relayed to, through, and in-between clusterings of neurons, 'entering' the nucleoplasm of the cells which ultimately affects gene expression and causes them to change in such ways as growing new connections to each other?
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: Land_Crab]
#7499433 - 10/08/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not to put too fine a point on it, of course. :p
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: DigitalNomad]
#7499444 - 10/08/07 08:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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On the argument of brain trauma causing amnesia:
Maybe the traumatized parts of the brain are merely our MEANS of obtaining the memory, and not necessarily where the memory is stored.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: DigitalNomad]
#7499449 - 10/08/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've had a similar thought on DNA once, after drinking 7g of cubies in a tea... except it wasn't so much just about memory encoding, but the idea that the DNA molecule, itself, and the vast networks it forms, are a single uninterrupted consciousness. Human thought is some reflexive oddity, a bubble of consciousness arising from a larger bubble of consciousness - at once redundant and significant, for we are split and multifaceted, but nonetheless of the same material as that larger bubble.
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Makes sense. Good post.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: Boots]
#7499890 - 10/08/07 10:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Definitely something to keep me pondering on a sleepless night. The idea that four simple amino acids can combine to form the vast variety of life available on Earth is absolutely incredible.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: Skeeblix]
#7499910 - 10/08/07 11:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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A, T, C, and G are actually physical compounds, you know. It's not just "letters". I forget the chemical names for them, but the "stuff" between the A, T, C, and G's aren't A's, T's, C's, or G's. If the 'stuff' was that, we would know and easily be able to classify it so.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
#7500523 - 10/09/07 05:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Non-coding DNA is present at birth. If all this DNA is encoded memories and information, why don't we have this information present at that point?
What about memories that form instantaneously? It's unlikely that they are encoded in DNA.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: mr.coolass]
#7500641 - 10/09/07 06:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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mr.coolass said: give all my memories to my kids, using genes!:D
I would say give all your knowlege to your kids rather than memorys that could be weird like memorys of doing mum lol
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: grandesign]
#7501554 - 10/09/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay ya I'm starting to disregard my last theory after a lot of thought but still a great conversation to get into.
A= Adenine T= Thymine C= Cytosine G= Guanine
I'm also thinking however, how far exactly are we from being able to CREATE entirely in a lab, life. We know for example through the human genome sequencing experiment the exact order of AT CG in the human body. We also have quite readily available the technology to "cut" DNA at exactly a certain point. Then just as DNA ligase joins together pieces of DNA we can piece segments of DNA together. So in theory don't we have the ability to create a completely alien life form? We can just inject the synthetic DNA into a eukaryotic cell and see what it grows into. A good example of this is the rabbit which was injected with DNA that coded the GFP protein to be created. http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html3month/2005/051004.Alstatt.bunny.html Normally this protein is present in jelly fish and is what causes them to glow. However the rabbit was able to "read" the DNA sequence and now it produces GFP causing it to grow green in color. If we can do this than surely we must be able to create a new life form...
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: boletusoftruth]
#7501594 - 10/09/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's far more complex than simply "injecting" DNA. You cannot just insert "any old gene" into a cell (it takes a lot of effort to insert a plasmid into bacteria).
Futher, it's also a matter of timing. Different genes need to be "turned on" and "turned off" at precise moments and in response to many different stimuli.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: badchad]
#7501606 - 10/09/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well yes i know its alot more complicated than injecting DNA, however more details are necessary. And you don't even really have to inject it. Different bacterium can literally assimilate DNA through their membranes and take whatever traits may be present in that DNA.
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: boletusoftruth]
#7501703 - 10/09/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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More importantly though, where can I get one of these:

Crime against nature or not, it's trippy as fuck all. I wonder what other creatures would be good to glow? Penguins, tarsiers, ants, platypuses, and ferrets probably...
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: boletusoftruth]
#7501708 - 10/09/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ain't it great how when we're tripping we solve the mysteries of the universe?
Then a week later, what was I thinking????
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Re: Mushrooms + DNA thought = THEORY [Re: El Zorro]
#7501718 - 10/09/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha. Yeah once tripping on shrooms I swear I was going to come up with the ultimate equation to explain reality...It's all connected, and all I had to do was come up with the equation.. LOL.
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