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Dieck
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maine id request
#7498079 - 10/08/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Found these in a cow field, usually out of the ground. in grass, hay and shit mixed areas, sometimes just in grass areas. The caps are always gray and/or dark brown. they most often varied between the width of a dime and the width of a quarter, most often fairly conical, some though even 1/4 of a sphere shape. gills range from dark gray to black, with blackish spore prints (I'll have print pics tomorrow) It rained two nights ago. Yesterday was sunny, 80 degrees fahrenheit. rained last night and is overcast, 55-60 fahrenheit today, picked at 3pm.
I'm pretty sure these were collected in the same area, maybe one some where else? don't quite remember as I saw them all around while hunting other species. (wanted to distribute those spores though so i only took a couple ) I would have taken better single shots and gill shots but I had no idea my friend camera phone was so good.
Could they possibly be the Maine lobster fisherman paps? The thing is the sides don't have that shredded look i often see in pictures.
  
I'm think these might be the same type I ate these with a fellow hunter a while ago after they were i.d.ed as nothing that could be poisonous- I got that shroom feeling in my stomach and like that taste/feeling in my mouth/jaw/neck.. don't know how to explain it, you know what i mean, the same feeling you get after a trip. Though we only ate a few though, no more then a 1/5 gram dry.
sorry if I missed any details, i'm still fairly noob, thanks in advance.
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Dieck
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Re: maine id request [Re: Dieck]
#7498119 - 10/08/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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by the way, the stems are anywhere from 1-4 inches long.. the spores are actually distinctly black and I can't really tell if they have that shredded look
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Re: maine id request [Re: Dieck]
#7498188 - 10/08/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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they are an inactive Panaeolus in the papilionaceus group, or however it is now arranges. would formerly have fallen under Pan. campanulatus.
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Re: maine id request [Re: canid]
#7498212 - 10/08/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I second that. I'm in ME, and these grow everywhere... I believe the active season is over, at least for Pan. subbs.... they started heading out around here sometime in August.
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Dieck
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Re: maine id request [Re: emeryg89]
#7498288 - 10/08/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Damn. Well I guess I'll just enjoy all the harvest fest mushies floating around so theres no complaining Just wondering, which details distinguished these from active paps? Or is that a myth?
emeryg- you know of any one having luck with libs around here?
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Re: maine id request [Re: Dieck]
#7498305 - 10/08/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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there are no reliable tests confirming active specimens in that complex. the few that have suggested so are in question of specimen identity
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Dieck
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Re: maine id request [Re: canid]
#7499272 - 10/08/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I mean how can you tell mine are no doubt an inactive species of pan. pap.? I think mjshroomer has said they are active, and a couple times, has said Maine lobster fishermen use to celebrate the end of a lobster season by eating supposed pan paps.
mjshroomer- "The real Panaeolus papilionaceus is an active shroom, used by Maine Lobster Fisherman whom have held annual shroom parties for years according to the late R. E. Schultes (from a pers. comm., 1989)" I'm pretty sure the end of the lobster season more coincides with pan paps than pan subs..Maine lobster season ends in the later winter pretty much, or possibly referring to the tourist season, which ends in mid fall when the leaves are all gone. but then mjshroomer said somewhere else "... the Maine Lobster fisherman who have annual Panaeolus papilionaceus festivals in the early fall after fishing season is over." maybe thought originally in the early fall because of a bias assumption that some one made a mis id of pan sub...? hmm maybe I'm confused about the lobster season, but I'm almost positive my preconception is right, because tourist love to come up here during the fall to get them world known maine lobsters.. and watch leaves fall.
and then not to mention how I felt the effects of eating a few a whiel ago with that after mushie type feeling
Though my particular specimens may not be the right ones, if thats what you were implying, this is too interesting to not in to. I use to work for the (very mainely cultured ) farmers when I was younger, and I can safely say they are "trippers" haha.. in some places they have very convenient-suspicious- mixtures in slightly wooded, out of sight areas, prone to grow these around them. Anyone have some input?
I'm in the process of researching it, I may possibly do some hands on research tomorrow;)
Edited by Dieck (10/08/07 08:22 PM)
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Re: maine id request [Re: Dieck]
#7499284 - 10/08/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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all species in the papilionaceus group are considered to be inactive, despite the persistence of a few points of doubt. mj's contentions that a particular group within this species group is anecdotaly active is speculative.
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Re: maine id request [Re: Dieck]
#7499303 - 10/08/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you want to experiment with random Panaeolus collections untill you find some with some activity, feel as free as you feel safe doing. it's the same road many people have trodden before, with no substantial results.
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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it. If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.
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Re: maine id request [Re: canid]
#7499390 - 10/08/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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we did feel effects. that after trip feeling since we only ate a few from a collection about a month or so ago. they weren't pan subs but these or something close to these, I'll let you know how it goes in a couple days.
edit-i suck
Edited by Dieck (10/08/07 08:39 PM)
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