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Nickio
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Dunking Monotub - Question
#7497066 - 10/08/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I'm ready for my second monotub flush, and I need to dunk it. I read in a post from RR that one can do this by putting the tub under a faucet in your bath tub, let it fill up with the substrate in it, then set the water to barely coming out for about an hour, let drain then throw back into fruiting conditions. Then other places I read saying they dunk their tubs for 12 hours and such. Is the one hour fine?
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: Nickio]
#7497074 - 10/08/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I personally feel the an hour will suffice, especially if RR said so.
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: Xeluc]
#7497180 - 10/08/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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especially if RR said so.
... RogerRabbit isn't the definitive be all end all of information,
I have had great success in pouring 3 cups of distilled or spring water into the bottom of my monotubs, and leave it to be reabsorbed.. it works perfectly,
no reason to "Dunk" a monotub.
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: jeetered]
#7497199 - 10/08/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You would still get better results from dunking since it would take in as much moisture as possible.I dunk for 1-3 hours with great results.
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7497212 - 10/08/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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xaxphaanes said: You would still get better results from dunking since it would take in as much moisture as possible.I dunk for 1-3 hours with great results.
with my side by side comparisons, I find floating the substrate within the tub, is a much better method for absorption. I really think people would benefit trying it, it's less work, less hassle, and much easier to clean up after. Letting it absorb it naturally really has worked for me, and right when it's about to flush again, it will suck every LAST bit of whats left in the bottom, back up.
I would suggest if you have more then one tub, to try to do it both ways, do a side by side comparison as I did, you may find my method is better for you, you may Not, either way...
quit doing what others say, and do what you feel is going to work for you.
I canno't stand this "IF RR SAYS ITS RIGHT THEN IT IS< AND IF SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THEY SUCK AND ARE WRONG...
get over yourselfs, RR isn't fucking god of shrooms.
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: jeetered]
#7497320 - 10/08/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6013813#Post6013813
If you want to really dunk a monotub or bulk substrate... the above link will help you do it.
you could just float the substrate for a few hours, drain the container, and mist well though as an alternative.
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: monstermitch]
#7497399 - 10/08/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I dont have a spare tub to do it your method MM, altho your method was the first I looked at I think I will just float it, better than nothin right?
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: Nickio]
#7497489 - 10/08/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just dunked last week, filled the tub in the tub up to the casing layer. (had it weighted). Did one for 2 hours, one for 3, one for 4 and the last one for 6 hours. Should have weighed before and after.
Mine were just big casings about 5 to 6 inches deep.
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: Nickio]
#7497497 - 10/08/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nickio said: Well I dont have a spare tub to do it your method MM, altho your method was the first I looked at I think I will just float it, better than nothin right?
anything is better than nothing. just make sure to mist for a while after you drain it. floating does work, and it is easier, but it does require you to continue with water delivery for a while after via misting.
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: monstermitch] 1
#7497536 - 10/08/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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you dont really need a tub to hold down the sub do you?
couldnt you use just about anything?
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: toadstooly]
#7497543 - 10/08/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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you could, it's just that the tub covers the whole surface of the substrate, applying even pressure. uneven pressure, or a smaller size weight would cause the substrate to crack or even crumble.
you could put down some hardware cloth or something and put weight on top of that. that would help distribute the load.
the key is to keep even pressure accross the entire surface of the substrate if you're holding it down. fruiting a bunch of crumbled pieces doesn't tend to work as well as a single, large substrate.
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: monstermitch]
#7497544 - 10/08/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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aha...
something i didnt think about due to inexperience. Uneven pressure defenitely would fugg it up. thanx.
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: jeetered]
#7499438 - 10/08/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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jeetered said: I canno't stand this "IF RR SAYS ITS RIGHT THEN IT IS< AND IF SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THEY SUCK AND ARE WRONG...
get over yourselfs, RR isn't fucking god of shrooms.
chill out, don't put words in my mouth, and get over YOURSELF. he probably has sufficient experience to give advice worth repeating, and more importantly, I did not say ANYTHING WAS WRONG. I gave an opinion, hence the "I personally feel". what I hate is when people nit pick at every little thing people say. regardless, the OP will get similar enough results no matter what they do. I just "FEEL" that the OP shouldn't spend 24 hours looking at their tub if they could already be colonizing.
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: Xeluc]
#7499515 - 10/08/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just thought I'd let you all know how this went. Horrible.
I tried to pick the substrate out of the tub and I could feel it was gonna crack, so I just left the trash bag in there and filled it up with water. After the hour was over, I attempted to lift it out with the sides of the bags, I could feel it cracking a little but I figured oh well. I got it out of the tub and it fucking cracked into 3 pieces, 2 of them falling into the tub touching the bare bath tub. I loaded the pieces into the tub again, not well drained because I don't really know how I'm supposed to drain this thing.
I'm 99% sure it will contaminate but I'm going to let it see what it does.
I guess next time I will have to be sufficiently prepared. I thought I'd note that I only used 1 brick of coir instead of two, and the colonized brick was pretty thin. Would this be why it broke so easy and I had a hard time getting it out without breaking it? Also how should one go about letting it drain? Just out in the open for contams to land on? I figured most bath rooms were pretty dirty.
I'll let ya'll know if it contams within the next few days.
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Re: Dunking Monotub - Question [Re: Nickio]
#7499558 - 10/08/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nobody is god of shrooms but RR, Agar, Roadkill, etc. are pretty reliable sources of knowledge when it comes to growing. I'm not saying they're always right, but I've always listened to them when confused about something.
But just to stay on topic, Why not just make a small hole in the bottom of the monotub before dunking, then just tape it or plug it up with something. Kind of like how ice-chests have.
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yeah man, the hole idea is great. I'd agree that you would have had better luck with a thicker substrate, but I wouldn't give up just yet. Myc has survived worse!:) Good luck to you.
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easy now... [Re: Nickio]
#7499630 - 10/08/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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don't panic, it's okay. a broken substrate is not a dead one. and a fully colonized substrate is not one that will contaminate easily. especially if it's only on it's second flush.
There's a huge misconception in the OMC about needing to be sterile during the fruiting process. You don't need to be, not at all. A colonized substrate can hold it's own. The air it touches does NOT have to be sterile or clean, it just has to be moving and not stagnant. Sterility is important when working with cultures and colonizing spawn/substrates. Once full colonization is achieved, fresh air exchange becomes a major focus.
Just rinse off the blocks under the faucet and set them in the tub. Put the puzzle back together per se. And if you're using casing material, then add some fresh stuff after you put the blocks back in to fill in the gaps and level the substrate out again. You're not doomed to contamination, not even close.
Yes, you should have used a thicker substrate probably. And you don't have to remove the substrate to drain really, you can just leave it in there. As time goes on it'll utilize that touch of water that's left, no worries.
Relax.
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