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mushroommarren
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Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? *DELETED*
#7496371 - 10/08/07 05:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: mushroommarren]
#7496418 - 10/08/07 06:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats an interesting mix, im interested to see how this works out. BRF cakes dont have that much nuts compared to grains and is why flushes are small.
Im not very experienced, but if the mixture is light and airy, and the water content is right, then this might work.
I'd be interested in giving this a shot as i have some brown rice sitting doing nothing and access to lots of coffee grounds.
Theres no harm in experimenting as long as u have researched and have some logical thinking behind it which it seems like u do.
Not sure exactly what the brown rice is for, i would have thought that it was unnecessary when using verm. But it may serve some useful purpose - experiment on
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: mushroommarren]
#7496421 - 10/08/07 06:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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everyone should be able to get poo .. just find a stable in your area and ask for aged manure for your garden .. separate the cedar chips if its mixed with them .. good luck on your experiments be sure to post up what you find
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: orchidfanatic]
#7496437 - 10/08/07 06:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I saw a post about a perlite based cake .. with nutrients added I inquired on the post whether anyone tried it but never got a reply .. maybe something like 40 perlite 20 verm. 10 coffee 10 BRF 10 solid rice or rye and 10 poo or other high nitrogen nutrient like wheat bran . just a thought ..
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: orchidfanatic]
#7496459 - 10/08/07 06:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Brown rice flour has more food for mycelium per gram than grains such as wbs. Your contention that BRF isn't 'nutritious' is in error. Have you ever noticed a 1/2 pint brf cake flushing? There's only a few tablespoons of brown rice flour in a cake. No other grain will perform as well in such small quantities.
I'm sure your experiment will work if you get the moisture content right. It's difficult to get various sized grains and flour all at the right water content. Vermiculite holds more water than any grains, so when you mix the verm in with whole grains such as rice or wbs, the moisture equalizes during the sterilization cycle, often over-wetting the grains and leaving the verm drier than it should be. Good luck and let us know how it goes. RR
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7496469 - 10/08/07 06:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have just been royally confused now. I have no doubt that what u have said RR is 100% right, im now confused as to why grains perform much better than cakes.
Is it when working with grains ur growing much much more mycelium??
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: veda_sticks]
#7496559 - 10/08/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok ...
I think what he is saying is, into 3 pint jars you put a half cup of brown rice flour and it fruits and creates mushrooms.
Now try taking a half cup of millet, popcorn, rye etc and grow mushrooms off it.
Can you guess which will fruit more? 3 pint cakes or the half cup of grains?
Obviously BRF has lots more nutrients by volume. I'm not convinced, however, that a pint of BRF mix will outperform a pint of popcorn.
I have a few jars of rye flour cakes and a few jars of popcorn going side by side at the moment. The popcorn is going to finish colonizing in half the time of the BRF, I'll overincubate the popcorn (always a good idea with popcorn in the first place IMO) to wait for the cakes and see how the two perform against eachother.
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: Andrew47]
#7496609 - 10/08/07 08:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, now this is just me trying to make sense of this. I don't know why we are mixing two concepts here. Verm and BRF where originally the PF tek. It was and still is the way we make "cakes" Very self contained and a all in one solution. Grains such as rye, WBS, ect. ect. are just the "vehicle to which we will later spawn to a much more nutritive substrate. I wouldn't be too concerned about the nutritive values between the Brf and the grains. I'm not making a grain cake after all, I'm using the grain to spawn to bigger and better and far more nutritive things. WOOF!
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: The shroomy 1]
#7497100 - 10/08/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have seen LOTS of posts from which folks have cased WBS, Or RYE with no spawn,,
they seem to be happy with the results..
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here is a picture of the clone via 9er tek. only using straight wbs cased and misted daily in the grow chamber.
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: Vegan]
#7497147 - 10/08/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd agree, if you have some other type of sub like hpoo or whatever to spawn your wbs to, you're gonna be better off. However, if you don't have any hpoo, don't think that you can't just case the wbs by itself and get good results. These three casings were straight wbs cased with MGMC, verm, hyd lime, and gypsum. May not be the best yield in the world, but it's not exactly the worst. Obviously, optimal conditions are always wanted. I just didn't have the hpoo ready when I did these. I have since done a monotub and another casing with hpoo, and they are doing much better than the straight wbs. Just my .02...
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: juris1]
#7497191 - 10/08/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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of course your popcorn is going to colonize quicker when mycelium colonizes a cake it grows completely through it when it colonizes grain, it doesn't grow THROUGH the grains, it grows on them and inbetween them
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7497252 - 10/08/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said: Brown rice flour has more food for mycelium per gram than grains such as wbs. Your contention that BRF isn't 'nutritious' is in error. Have you ever noticed a 1/2 pint brf cake flushing? There's only a few tablespoons of brown rice flour in a cake. No other grain will perform as well in such small quantities.
I'm sure your experiment will work if you get the moisture content right. It's difficult to get various sized grains and flour all at the right water content. Vermiculite holds more water than any grains, so when you mix the verm in with whole grains such as rice or wbs, the moisture equalizes during the sterilization cycle, often over-wetting the grains and leaving the verm drier than it should be. Good luck and let us know how it goes. RR
THIS IS FUCKING LUDICROUS
organic rye berries have way more nutrients per gram of dry powder then BRF. Also, organic rye grains contain natural L-tryptophans that brown rice flour does nOT.
RR you're a very smart person, but i think you're guessing answers away WAY too much...
brown rice flour IS NUTRITOUS,, but it's the least of any.
assuming it's got more nutrition then rye grains is absolutely ludicrous.
Organic Rye FLour is the only way to go when producing cakes in my experience.
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: jeetered]
#7497557 - 10/08/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
jeetered said:
organic rye berries have way more nutrients per gram of dry powder then BRF
I think his point was that theres a lot more nutrients in a cup of BRF than a cup of grains. Whether ground grains are better than BRF for cakes is a different matter
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? *DELETED* [Re: Andrew47]
#7497741 - 10/08/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: mushroommarren]
#7497835 - 10/08/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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To go bulk w/o poo, you should spawn your colonized brf/wbs/rye/whatever to coco coir instead.
Thats what I'd do, anyway. Noob friendly, too.
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? *DELETED* [Re: simplemachine]
#7591856 - 11/03/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Multi Grain substrate Experiment??? [Re: mushroommarren]
#7591984 - 11/03/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drainage holes.
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