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Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break)
    #7495502 - 10/07/07 08:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Okay so within the next few weeks I will be gettin some Rue and Mimosa.

As for the diet, I've read that you need to diet anywhere from 24hrs to 2 weeks. So whats the deal with rue?

The list of foods you can't have is gigantic, is there just a list of foods that I CAN eat?

I would go to the aya website but they're kind of a bunch of assholes and will flame me for not using "the real ingredients" etc etc.


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: learningtofly]
    #7495800 - 10/07/07 09:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

anyone?


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: learningtofly]
    #7495877 - 10/08/07 12:16 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

rue is a reversible MAOI, you don't really need to worry about it, just don't go too crazy.


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: xFrockx]
    #7495881 - 10/08/07 12:17 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

So would I be okay if I just didn't eat anything 12 hrs before and 12 hours after?


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: learningtofly]
    #7495894 - 10/08/07 12:20 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You would be fine with even less lee way.


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: xFrockx]
    #7495902 - 10/08/07 12:49 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well I think what i'll do

Day I take it: In the morning have some yogurt, cook up the brew, take it, have some yogurt when im done, go to sleep, wake up, eat a big ass meal and celebrate the experience.

Sound good? So rue is in/outa my system pretty quick then?


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: learningtofly]
    #7496045 - 10/08/07 02:59 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

rice is good. I am not sure about yogurt
oh and Aya lasts about 3 hours


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: learningtofly]
    #7496563 - 10/08/07 09:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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well I think what i'll do

Day I take it: In the morning have some yogurt, cook up the brew, take it, have some yogurt when im done, go to sleep, wake up, eat a big ass meal and celebrate the experience.

Sound good? So rue is in/outa my system pretty quick then?





No. Eating lots of food is not a good idea, for one, let alone dairy products. Avoid medication or drugs of any kind for a week before, including alcohol and caffeine. Eat a light dinner, go to sleep, wake up, brew the Ayahuasca and drink it. Don't eat anything else- it'll just make the trip take longer to kick in, and you'll almost definitely vomit it back up anyway.

Just don't eat copious amounts of sugar, or consume medication, alcohol or caffeine for a week or so before you drink Ayahuasca and you'll be ok.

Brew the mimosa in a large amount of water, and keep brewing it and heating it until it's boiled down to around a quarter pint, then just down it in one mouthful. That way, by the time you experience the foul after taste it's all down you anyway.


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: BERSERK DESTROYER]
    #7496851 - 10/08/07 12:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I had good results with fasting 6 hours before and 6 after.
I drank coffee whenever I wanted to with no problem.
A full week is better but not necessary.
6 hours IS


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: cpw1971]
    #7497054 - 10/08/07 01:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

To all the people who are overly careful:

You are giving the instructions for diet when on a non-reversible MAO-I, syrian rue is not one of these, it is reversible. I have eaten a whole pack of ramen noodles about 5 hours after taking rue and I am alive to type this, never even got a headache. I've also had caffeine during an experience with no difficulties what so ever.

Also, Aya does not last 3 hours, its more like 6-12 with a good brew.


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: xFrockx]
    #7497115 - 10/08/07 01:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i find coffe while on it to intensify things for some reason which is odd but then again mine is just similar to ayahuasca


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: thedudenj]
    #7499822 - 10/09/07 12:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Okay so basically what you're saying is that if I just take the brew in the morning and don't eat that day i'll be fine? (then wait till the next day to resume my regular diet)


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: learningtofly]
    #7499835 - 10/09/07 12:46 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

yeah if you fast theres less of a chance you vomit and a greater chance it will stay in your belly for a while


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: thedudenj]
    #7499939 - 10/09/07 01:13 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

= longer trip, HURRAY! ah i cant wait, it'll be probably in 2 weeks. my "friend" is also gonna get some extra mimosa for an extraction


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: learningtofly]
    #7501226 - 10/09/07 01:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ok so if you dont have to take the diet for syrian rue that seriously, what about the diet for caapi?

I'm going to take my trip on saturday and since last friday i've only been eating soy free bread and drinking nothing but water. I'm just trying to take this as seriously as possible. i know that i am allowed other food (though i'm not really sure what other food) but it's kind of a test of my dedication to the experience.

So my question is how strict does the caapi diet really have to be?

And another question, the bread i'm eating is soy free but it does contain trace amounts of molasses and apple cider vinegar, is this a problem?


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: burntcokie13]
    #7910443 - 01/21/08 06:35 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

There are a few reasons for a diet before taking ayahuasca. One is the MAOI interaction. Plants like Caapi and Rue are way more forgiving than pharmaceutical MAOIs though. It seems like most people who abstain from the banned food the day of and don't eat within a minimum of 3-4 hours of drinking the ayahuasca are fine. I'm not recommending this though. The less chances you take the better.

Another reason people follow this rigorous diet is to sensitive themselves to the Aya and show it respect. Most of us Americans eat so much food that we don't really feel the effects that the different foods are having on us. Shamans follow a food diet and a spiritual dieta. They abstain from sexual excitement for a time before taking Ayahuasca and follow other behavioral guidelines.I recommend you browse the ayahuasca forums, and read this thread in particular.
I'd say if you can stick to the diet your on the go for it. It can only help, and it is quite possible that you will get a stronger trip.


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: wendel]
    #7910688 - 01/21/08 07:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

From my experience, simply fasting at least 6 hours before hand works, without avoiding certain foods. But for your first voyage, sticking to the traditional ayahuasca diet works wonders on many levels. For one week before my first experience, I ate nothing but rice and fruit, avoided sex, drank only water and orange juice, and fasted 24 hours before. After this regimen, I felt immensely altered before even taking the aya. It does something spiritually that is beyond description. I began having visions BREWING the caapi. It goes much deeper than mere chemicals.


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: satyr]
    #7910892 - 01/21/08 08:02 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Within 2 weeks of and 2 weeks after-

ALL medications and vitamins
Symptathomimetic drugs
Protein bars or extracts
Sumatriptan
Imitrex
Antihistamines
MDMA
Aged Cheese- Bre’, etc.
Amphetamines
Migraine medicines
SSRIs and any other anti-depressants
OTC cold medicines
Ephedrine
Ephedra
Yohimbe
Heterocyclicsand
Nosedrops
tranquilizers
Decongestants
Pseudoephedrine
Diet pills
Sedatives- Sleeping Pills, etc.
Asarone
Nutmeg
Macromerine
Narcotics- Cocaine, Heroin, Methamphetamine, etc.
Allergy medication
Opiates- Opium, Valium, Oxycotton, Hydrocodone
St. Johns Wort
Dextromethorphan
Any other MAO inhibitor; MAOI Anti-depressants- Sertraline (zoloft, etc.
Amoxapine (asendin)
Antihypertensives (high blood pressure medication)
Appetite suppressants
Clomipramine (anafranil)
Cyclobenzaprine (flexeril)
Desipramine (pertofrane)
Doxepin (sinequan)
Fluoxetine (prozac)
Imipramine (tofranil)
Levodopa (dopar, larodopa)
Maprotiline (ludiomil)
Medicine for asthma or other breathing problems
Meperidine (demerol)
Methylphenidate (ritalin)
Nortriptyline (aventyl)
Paroxetine (paxil)
Protriptyline (vivactil)
Selegiline (eldepryl)
Tricyclic antidepressants (amitriptyline, elavil)
Trimipramine (surmontil)

Within 1 week of and 1 week after-

Same as above+
Any tyrosine-containing food
Mescaline
All Beans (including soy!!!) This also includes bean products- like soy sauce, bean dip, etc. No beans!!
Broad (Fava) bean pods ( whatever that is)
Soy Sauce and Miso soup
Avocados
Kombucha
Bananas
Dill
Parsley
Fennel
Protein bars or extracts
Aged cheese
Chocolate
Make sure all food are fresh; spoiled or old food is the main cause of negative reactions.

Within 3 days of and 3 after-

Same as above+
All drugs and alcohol
Non-alcoholic brewed (Fermented) beverages (non-alcoholic beer); Kombucha; All other brewed drinks.
Bananas
Chocolate
All Beans (including soy!!!) This also includes bean products- like soy sauce, bean dip, etc. No beans!!
Broad (Fava) bean pods ( whatever that is)
Avocados
Cultured dairy products (buttermilk, yogurt, and sour cream)
Raisins
Red plums
All Caffeine products (Coffee, Black or Oolong Tea, Energy Drinks, Ect.)
All Dairy products
Soy Sauce
Spinach
Figs
Raspberries
Nuts
Cheese
Fish
Ginseng
High Protein Meals
Sausage, Bologna, Pepperoni, Liver and Salami
Sauerkraut
Shrimp
Soups- may have high protein, Miso soup can be dangerous.
Yeast (unless baked)
Salt
Sugar
Oil
Fat
Make sure all food are fresh; spoiled or old food is the main cause of negative reactions.


Within 36 hours of and 36 hours after-

Same as above+
No meat or ingestion of any sort of living creature.
Absolute no candy or sugar.
No sex or masturbation.
Take a long bath or shower; Shave your Head, Eye-Brows and Ass; Paint yourself Blue.
Drink nothing but water.
Contemplate the experience.

33-7 hours before- Same as above + No food

3-1 hours before- Same as above + No water or other drink.

5-15m before- Pre-roll a small joint for after the purge.
Release all bodily waste and fluids.
Shake before use.


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7910935 - 01/21/08 08:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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rice is good. I am not sure about yogurt





Rice is very good.

No yogurt.

Fresh fruits are very good, too.

Quote:

The less chances you take the better.




That's right.

You get out of Ayahuasca what you put into it.


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From my experience, simply fasting at least 6 hours before hand works, without avoiding certain foods. But for your first voyage, sticking to the traditional ayahuasca diet works wonders on many levels. For one week before my first experience, I ate nothing but rice and fruit, avoided sex, drank only water and orange juice, and fasted 24 hours before. After this regimen, I felt immensely altered before even taking the aya. It does something spiritually that is beyond description. I began having visions BREWING the caapi. It goes much deeper than mere chemicals.





Very well put!



Not to be a jackass, but I think you should use B. caapi and Psychotria for your first Aya' brew... It's much better.


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Re: Aya Diet (yeah I searched but gimme a break) [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7911753 - 01/21/08 10:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

why can't you eat certain stuff with ayahuasca?


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