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Overpopulation
#7494720 - 10/07/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's way too many people on Earth. I think this is probably the biggest problem we have, aside from raping the planet and the federal reserve.
Even with AIDS and all the disasters and whatnot lately, the population continues to rise at an exponential rate. This was forseen as the biggest potential problem of the future in the 1950s, today it is becoming reality.
But there are only two ways to slow down population growth: decrease the birth rate or increase the death rate.
Birth control only goes so far and only those who are willing/can afford to use it.
Wars and deadly diseases have kept the population from getting too out of control. But now we are curing disease and keeping people alive longer than ever through artificial means when we shouldn't be (IMO). I don't under any circumstances support murder or genocide. But that doesn't stop others from practicing it.
Even still, 2 people are born for every person that dies.
But I do think that unless the population of Earth is significantly decreased in the very near future, and we don't change the way we operate in the world.. we will not be able to sustain human life on this planet for very much longer.
We need to live in harmony with each other and with the planet, and that involves maintaining a sane population level that does not damage the Earth.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494731 - 10/07/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't worry, growth cannot continue forever. Something ugly will happen once we reach breaking point and the seams will open up and kill most of us.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494739 - 10/07/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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true, but there are still immense patches of land basically open and free. Cities are packed like sardines yea but go to the midwest and just find fields after fields.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494740 - 10/07/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thus why they dont release the cure for AIDS. We're our own worst enemy and the worse part is nothings going to be done about it. I feel bad for my future great grandchildren
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Sheepish]
#7494744 - 10/07/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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just start spraying
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Sheepish]
#7494745 - 10/07/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I tend to agree.. Nature takes care of herself. If we are looking at history, there are 'shifts' every few thousand years, where major disasters happen and large populations of people are wiped out.
I'm just thinking will we learn from our mistakes this time around
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494747 - 10/07/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i hope a huge epidemic wipes through india and china
not to be racist or anthing but there is way to many of those people
god damn were fucked
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Trouble is most of the open areas are vacant for a reason. A lot of them are prone to flash floods or not very habitable.
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cApTaInCrAp said: Thus why they dont release the cure for AIDS. We're our own worst enemy and the worse part is nothings going to be done about it. I feel bad for my future great grandchildren
If they don't release and AIDS cure, than there should be NOTHING going on for cancer patients, it's a hard decision to make.
I'm counting on a new fast moving plague, or nuclear explosion within the next 100 years. Maybe something natural could happen like a massive caldera eruption, ie- yellowstone
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Atheist]
#7494763 - 10/07/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yesh. There's way too many of us too though. It's hard to live in harmony with nature when there's some 7 billion people on earth. That's insane.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494773 - 10/07/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Tragedy of the Commons
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494776 - 10/07/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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We aren't even halfway to the carrying capacity that the Earth can hold. Add crop fertilizer and medicine to the list that is contributing to the exploding world population. Technically we should have ran out of food decades ago with this many fucking people around. The problem isn't so much the developed countries that is contributing to mass human reproduction, but the less developing countries. And the latter's reasons for reproducing are usually very short-sighted.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: bukkake]
#7494792 - 10/07/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a phallacy if I've ever heard one. We (America) are probably just as bad, if not worse than China as far as our raping of the planet goes. In fact I would say the exact opposite of what you just did - the "developed countries" are causing FAR more harm than the "less developing counties"
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494794 - 10/07/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Theres PLENTY of room left on this planet to survive this life time. Future generations might not be so lucky, but fuck em!
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I always figured that the planet had built in defense mechanisim in place to prevent this.
Ill go ahead and assume that our melting of the polar ice caps due to global warming, and the industrialization of the world, will release air that has been trapped for millions of years.
im going to assume that somewhere in that frozen ice is a devastating virus or other bacteria that will take out most of the population when we reach that depth of melted ice.....
yeah... im baked.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494802 - 10/07/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was speaking in terms of population.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: aDoS]
#7494808 - 10/07/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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aDoS said: Future generations might not be so lucky, but fuck em!
Wrong attitude.
And you think we're completely safe from the effects of our fuckups?
So I guess you support our military using radioactive DU munitions too eh?
Hey... we can leave deadly radiation there for every life form that goes near there for the next 3.5 million years.. FUCK EM RIGHT?
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494818 - 10/07/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your saving the world by one serious post at a time
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: ZippoZ]
#7494819 - 10/07/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honestly I see some major natural disasters taking place and probably billions of people dying.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: aDoS]
#7494826 - 10/07/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm expressing my opinion one post at a time.
The mentality, "Hey this wont kill me in this lifetime, fuck the people that come after me".. is what got us here in the first fucking place.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494831 - 10/07/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Natural disasters and diseases. We're long overdue for an epidemic. Population explosion will be a serious problem by the time we're all old. The only country that has tried to address their own population growth is China.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494847 - 10/07/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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what is here exactly?
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494852 - 10/07/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Population Control has been tried but theres always some country who has an issue without.
Hitler tried it, Stalin tried it, they're trying in Darfur... and you say nothing is being done.
The govt recently released AIDS, doesnt that count for something?
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: aDoS]
#7494853 - 10/07/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where we are now.. with monkeys ruling the world, fluoride toothpaste, luxury cruises to the bahamas, and neutron bombs.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494854 - 10/07/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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some people think we should stop aiding the impoverish
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learningtofly said: Population Control has been tried but theres always some country who has an issue without.
Hitler tried it, Stalin tried it, they're trying in Darfur... and you say nothing is being done.
The govt recently released AIDS, doesnt that count for something?
Like I said in my original post, I don't support murder or genocide.
Maybe I should just stop talking about it then, until nature shows her fury.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494861 - 10/07/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well what the fuck do you plan to do if there isn't mass killing invovled? Do you want it to be like that movie "Children of Men" where womenz can't have kids? Like just make a disease and then release the vaccine in a few years? Cuz people would be outa work if they did that. How about just shipping people off to another planet or an artificial one?
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494864 - 10/07/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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there is no solution we are humans humans have sex outcome of sex is babies babies are new human beings
each new human being and existing human being uses up a designated amount of finite resources
we will all die the Earth will collapse it's pretty much inevitable
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meatcake, have you not heard of an abortion or birth control?
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Well I do think that people shouldn't be popping out kids like fucking rabbits. And irresponsible and virtually retarded people shouldn't be having kids either. In my opinion there should be some kind of special test and/or license in order to have a single kid, due to the volatile nature of our overpopulated planet. Shipping people off to another planet is not even a possibility at this point considering our space program is a joke. And that's looking at it from the wrong angle. We have this beautiful planet.. what are you gonna do.. burn it to the ground and go where... Mars?
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does that stop everyone from having babies? take third world countries you think every country in the world has birth control? if you're American Americans only make up a small percent of the world's population even if we all used birth control or even cut off all our penises
the rest of the world will still be out there populating
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Maybe we should neuter humans. I'd quite happily go under the knife to get my sperm capped.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494878 - 10/07/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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what the fuck is with these people having 9 kids?
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Sheepish]
#7494881 - 10/07/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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then we'd ALL die
there'd be no more babies no more human life that would just quicken up the process of the collapse of the humans
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The earth will not collapse... we may virtually destroy the natural environment and thus the lifeblood that supports human life.. and so humans would die... but EARTH would survive and heal itself. However I'm hoping it doesn't get to that point. I would like for humans to be able to live on and grow with Earth without wiping themselves out from stupidity.
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not eVERYONE would get an abortion, just limit the amount of kids people can have and if you don't plan on keeping your kid (aka you know you cant afford it, have to give it up) don't have one because its a shame.
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Lack of education. But if you ask people in less developed countries they say because their offspring will take care of them when they're older. That, and they lose some of the kids they've already popped out to disease or starvation. Very short-term thinking.
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I live in Texas and it's mostly empty. What's wrong with fluoride toothpaste?
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so do what China's doing? you may support it but our government officials wouldn't dare imitate anything a Communist country does
what i think is that people should stop thinking with their heart and clouding logic with their morals
people need to die harsh but it's reality
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: curtdj]
#7494898 - 10/07/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fluoride causes cancer.
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Overpopulation is a problem but is life about the whole or the individual?
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: clemens]
#7494901 - 10/07/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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well without the whole would there be an individual?
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: curtdj]
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Not the point of this thread.. but fluoride is not good for you nor your teeth. They lied to you. It's actually a neurotoxin and damages the brain and central nervous system and is linked to a wide variety of mental illnesses and various diseases.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494923 - 10/07/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If theres one thing iv learned from the past its that life is just one big circle and
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: bukkake]
#7494927 - 10/07/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude ur mother causes cancer
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494933 - 10/07/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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carrying capacity...
food web....
parabolas...
i think iv made my point.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494935 - 10/07/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The research on fluoride is far from conclusive, and has been exaggerated to the extreme by many "natural health" (read: internet hype) sites. Check into this before you spread the word.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Veritas]
#7494940 - 10/07/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've checked. Fluoride is bad. It certainly does not help prevent cavities.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: bukkake]
#7494944 - 10/07/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah and China's doing a real good job. Lol.
This is a silly issue. If it makes you feel better, avian flu is supposed to make the black death look like the common cold within the next few decades. Myself, I'd much rather we stopped such disasters. You are all so sure that we are doomed; that is the most common fallacy of the oh-so-high-minded philosophy of the masses. It is so easy to forecast gloom and doom, but much harder to see a way through our issues and find a solution. Luckily the naysayers never rouse themselves to get involved in the process, leaving the way for visionaries to fix our race's blunders and clear its path.
Oh, and before I address the actual issue (where to dump our population) let me address the whole "raping the land" thing. Lol. First, the Earth really won't give a fuck if she goes into another ice age. She's been through plenty of them in her long lifetime; it is part of the circle of life. You would call a man made ice age unnatural (assuming it is man made - it's funny how people always forget that water vapor is the most important contributor to global warming whereas co2 is a small factor). Like it or not, what we do is natural - we are a part of nature, of god, of existence. To do something unnatural, one must step outside of nature - we aren't quite capable of doing that. You have to be a, well, God. Heh. Oh, and for pollution - the US is working to reduce ours, China is pledging to build more dirty plants than exist in the whole rest of the world within the next few years, making them by far the largest contributor to global warming. Al Gore (who I am sure from the comments I see is a personal hero so some of you - lol, he finally got someone to pay attention to his sorry ass) wholeheartedly supports this decision and believes that the first world should cut their pollution, beggaring its citizens, while the third world makes the problem worse than it has ever been. Lol. Gotta love hypocrites.
I say we realize that we are just polluters; it's in our nature. The cavemen did it too - one of the biggest sources of info about them is the giant trash heaps they left everywhere they went. Let's give up the futile hope of beating out nature by stopping polution and find ways to remove the effects harmlessly. Innovation is also in our nature; use the tools you have. I'd suggest highly developed nanotech - that's kinda a cureall for the world's problems. Send out trillions of self replicating bots into the atmosphere, physically grab the co2 and excess water vapor and sulfur and whatever other gasses are out of balance and convert them into something else useful that's not polluting like, I dunno, food. Or hell, just bury them back in the ground.
Now on to overpopulation. Dhur. Let's see. First, we're nowhere near overpopulated. We don't use a lot of our planet. And no, that's not because the land is no good, it's because humans as a group tend to cluster together. The larger our cities get, the more people will move out into the empty spaces to supply them, and eventually we will reach capacity. It's probably above ten billion though. Then, let's see. We've got Mars, a relatively easy planet to terraform. I mean, there's oceans of water frozen as permafrost just below the surface, all the elements you need, it just needs an ozone. As terraforming goes, it's a perfect subject; just needs a few thousand automated smut factories to kick start the planet, maybe bring in a few hundred larger mineral laden comets from the asteroid belt to make up for what it's missing (just build a big arse rail gun out there and shoot them at it - planets tend to make easy targets). Then we've got can habitats, which we would really be capable of building to some degree with today's technology. Certainly we could get a real one up in the sky in no more than a few decades, if we actually gave the space program more than the pennies in the bottom of the government's pocket. Hopefully the fact that the moon is blanketed with a fusion fuel worth about a billion dollars per ton will re-start the space race somewhere in the near future Anyway, can habs provide an almost unlimited ability for expansion of the population - they offer a high interior surface area of artificial gravity and planetary conditions. They could very easily be self suficient or even profitable.
Then there's the fact that we have a universe that is infinite for all that we can understand (yeah, not really, but we won't be able to reach or understand the edges until we have evolved to quasi-gods, so let's just act like it's limitless). There are, logically, millions of habitable planets just within our own galaxy. God only knows how many there are like Mars, perfect candidates for terraforming. There's several loopholes that allow for crossing a light year in less than a light year, even if you can't really go faster than the speed of light. The alcubierre warp, the warp gate, a few others. Nothing we can do yet, but something we can understand. I mean, hell, we've come up with plenty of things in the last hundred years which would have been incomprehensible at the turn of the last century. We know all the elements and processes we need to travel faster than light and open up limitless space for man right now, it's just a matter of aquiring them. And, lucky us, recent research has suggested that the Alcubierre Warp will require way less energy than previously thought (Alcubierre himself said it would take something like the energy mass of jupiter) so who knows, we may be closther than we think. It may happen in your lifetime.
It's just sad, all this gloom and doom. Why not instead work out the solutions? Cuz I can tell you, the overpopulation problem isn't really going to get better. Even the bird flu won't do it. There's a reasonable chance that some of the younger people here could live unimaginable spans of life; some of you could life for hundreds of years in the prime of health until some accident or criminal takes your life. We're nearing the escape velocity with anti-aging drugs and therapies, and we have things on the horizon (such as the much-vaunted nanotech) which have the potential to completely eliminate death, to turn dirt to bread and water to wine. Our population, if anything, is going to explode.
This is a fact that I am grateful for. There are a lot of planets out there, and it will take many men to colonize them. It will take many men to eventually beat the thing we should truly fear, which you miss in your short sighted fears. The way things are going, one day our universe is going to simply evaporate out from under us; entropy, unmaking, is our true enemy. It will take all the bright minds in all the galaxies of all the multitude of universes to defeat that foe.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
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This reminds me of that movie "Dr. Strangelove". Maybe I should switch to bottled water. or rainwater .
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: curtdj]
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We can't allow a mineshaft gap!
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I really don't think terraforming other planets is a viable solution
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: curtdj]
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Yeah and China's doing a real good job. Lol.
They are, actually. At least they are attempting to address a problem. Every other country is pretending ignorance on the subject.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
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it's not the only theoretical possibility would be to colonize Mars but to even get there would take years and don't get me started on the other planets
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7494960 - 10/07/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not recommending fluoride, I'm saying that the research which has been popularized online DID NOT implicate fluoride as a neurotoxin. There was ONE study, and the results were inconclusive. The rest of the stories about the neuro-effects are made up.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Veritas]
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What about the Nazis being the first to use fluoridated tap water because they found it made the masses complacent?
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Veritas]
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anyone else up for a shotgun based rampage?
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: curtdj]
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For population control perhaps we could allow each first born child of each family (or a winner of a special lottery) to murder one other person during their life without penalty. But be careful once you've killed that one person if someone more annoying comes into your life it's too late to kill them (without a penalty). Just Kidding.
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Our govt would disappear if that were true.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7495015 - 10/07/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is apparently another online urban myth. None of the research I've read has shown any such effects of fluoridated tap water. The sites that propagate these myths rarely link to any research, and their documentation links are often circular.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: curtdj]
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Getting to mars takes a long time right now. Not with NERVA, though. Yeah, forgot about NERVA, huh? We'd be using it now, if not for a bunch of beatniks who think that anything nuclear is evil. Let's just forget the fact that nuclear reactions can be made almost completely safe with the right failsafes and that pretty much every nuclear disaster in HISTORY has been the result of human negligence or shitty design. We built a nuclear rocket decades back and never used it. Even though it has a thrust and specific impulse that makes the chemical rockets we're STILL using look like toys (which is really what they are. They can barely get us off the fucking planet). If the government would just ignore the idiots and adopt the nuclear rocket, the solar system would be wide open. The nuclear part of the engine practically never needs refueling, the actual propellant (hydrogen) can be found in the atmosphere of practically every planet in our system, and even if you can't get any you can really substitute it for any gas, it's just the most efficient. Nuclear space craft are to chemical what propeller boats were to sailboats.
So getting around is not a real issue, even with our current technology. Granted, the solar system is just a speck on the galaxy, but it is more than enough to stave off over population for a few centuries.
And you say don't even talk about other planets. Why? Because it won't happen in your lifetime. Probably not. Maybe so. Who knows? But it WILL, without a doubt, happen. If humans don't die out, we will go to other planets - hell, we can do it with non ftl travel. A bussard ramscoop ship could get people to another solar system. If you make it eficient enough and can get it up to high c-fractionals, then you don't even have to have cold sleep to keep the passengers alive, you can make the trip in a few brief seconds. And eventually the technology for FTL will come as well, and we will open the galaxy and then the universe. It's not even that hard to imagine it happening from our current technology. People just don't like to think about it, don't want to act on it, because it is a large task. So they call it impossible.
Oh, and I remember someone said that they didn't think terraforming was a viable option. Wtf? Lol. It's an entirely mechanical and basically understood process. I'm sure there'll be surprises and difficulties along the way, but that's how it's been with every innovation we have made. We'll conquer it, and we'll get it done. Again, if nanotech comes through it'll be a cinch. Just drop a packet of self replicators on the planet, give them a year or so to breed up a few trillion billion or so of their fellows (hehe) and then set them to freeing the water vapor and other greenhouse materials from Mars' soil. With nanotech it'd be a quickie easy job, as far as such lofty goals go, and it'd still be possible without.
And China's solution to overpopulation is to come into the hospital and kill newborn children because they're the second. I mean, that's not exxageration; they pretty commonly just kill the kids. It's not a matter of you broke the one child law and now we're going to fine you, it's you can't have but one child so we're shooting this one up with an overdose of rat poison. Yeah, really good solution. If you're going to kill people to reduce the population, start a fucking war. At least a nice world war would give technology the kickstart it needs. The next one's going into space for sure, since space is the easiest place to intercept nukes (the lack of atmosphere's very nice for lasers). Thanks to China's "solution," thousands of Chinese parents (or millions, who knows, there's buckoos of them) are going to kill their girl children this year so that they can have another who might be a boy. After all, you don't waste your one child alottment on a girl, do you? Sure, it'll fix their problem eventually by wiping out their race when they've got such a high portion of men to women that they cannot effectively continue and their closeminded society prevents them from allowing outsiders in to help them, but that's thousands of potentially hot arse asian chicks being killed every year! MADNESS! Lol.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
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I seriously think we are very near the tipping point. I reckon within the next 5-10 years something very devastating is going to happen, whether its political, environmental or extraterrestrial, something bad is going to happen.
I'm not one of those 2012 nuts, or anything, but something is not right.
The world is getting progressively sicker, the mentality of our people is getting progressively sicker, and the powers that be are gaining more and more power.
A few thousand years ago there was balance.. but our unsustainable western lifestyles have tipped the scale.
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Yoruyonaka said: And China's solution to overpopulation is to come into the hospital and kill newborn children because they're the second. I mean, that's not exxageration; they pretty commonly just kill the kids. It's not a matter of you broke the one child law and now we're going to fine you, it's you can't have but one child so we're shooting this one up with an overdose of rat poison. Yeah, really good solution. If you're going to kill people to reduce the population, start a fucking war. At least a nice world war would give technology the kickstart it needs. The next one's going into space for sure, since space is the easiest place to intercept nukes (the lack of atmosphere's very nice for lasers). Thanks to China's "solution," thousands of Chinese parents (or millions, who knows, there's buckoos of them) are going to kill their girl children this year so that they can have another who might be a boy. After all, you don't waste your one child alottment on a girl, do you? Sure, it'll fix their problem eventually by wiping out their race when they've got such a high portion of men to women that they cannot effectively continue and their closeminded society prevents them from allowing outsiders in to help them, but that's thousands of potentially hot arse asian chicks being killed every year! MADNESS! Lol.
wow you're close-mindedness is almost astounding there are plenty of Chinese parents who have multiple children and it is totally legal as long as you can afford it the Chinese government allows it
there is a new law stating that if you have an income above a certain "line" you are allowed to have multiple children, although you have to pay a fee (kind of)
this new laws denies poorer Chinese families to have multiple children which means less children living below the poverty line and more Chinese children living above the poverty line where they can actually find food to eat
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Yoruyonaka said: If you're going to kill people to reduce the population, start a fucking war. At least a nice world war would give technology the kickstart it needs. The next one's going into space for sure, since space is the easiest place to intercept nukes (the lack of atmosphere's very nice for lasers).
I agree. What we need is a space laser war!
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: curtdj]
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Oh, btw. If we are gonna just wipe out a lot of the population to fix the problem (a true shame, I say, b/c that'd delay our exodus from Earth for god only knows how long) I say we go with a zombie virus. You know, that just has so much damn appeal, and it's more or less guaranteed to wipe out the larger part of the population. You just gotta make the original phase (probably a gas) have a long incubation, and drop the initial bombs on military and gov facilities to ensure that there's no quick coordinated response. But that'd be totally badass, anyway. It'd be such a great evolutionary event, as well. As long as you're going to kill off the bulk of the population, you might as well get rid of the dead weight, those who cannot protect and provide for themselves, who have no idea how to fight or use arms. Such people, entirely dependant on the system, would not be much of a loss in the first place. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd feel bad for them, but I'd rather something that at least somewhat targets the useless than a virus which targets at random.
It'd probably be easy to design, too. Something that fucks with the internal clock (forgot what it's called - the little pea sized git near the front of your brain that tells time), maybe destroys it, so that people cannot remember or learn. Then something that overstimulates the production of adrenaline and any other agressive hormones, to the point where the infected are on what ammounts to a constant speed trip. Add to that an interruptor that confuses the signals from the stomach which tells the brain that it is full (again, can't remember what the chemical's called, but I do remember that there are people who have a disease that does a similar thing, makes them feel desperately hungry so that they have to eat all day long). And last but not least a mechanism to transmit the package through bodily fluids. All together I think that makes a nice and tidy zombie. Could probably be done using bits and pieces of viruses that we have on ice. You end up with something that has no awareness of time, a constant hunger, and is extremely stimulated at all times. The hunger will turn the stimulation to anger, the lack of time awareness will remove any opportunity for remorse or learning (smart zombies is something we could not have - they might actually wipe out the race) not to mention making the thing act on its first impulse (which would always be hunger). I think, all together, very doable with modern tech.
And think of all the glorious target practice I'd hit up a walmart first, bust out the back wall and raid that ammunition room they have in the back, then head towards the coast. Steal a semi or something and hit every gun shop you pass. Then go to Harkers' Island, raise the bridge, find survivors, kill what infected are there, then sit back and wait for the whole thing to boil over. All the fish in the world for food, no worries, could really go out and attack or raid at your disgression. It'd be a blast, assuming I didn't lose anyone important to me (both parents and step dad were in military, brother is a hunter and a great shot, so I'm not super worried).
Anyway, I figure that'd be the best way to just knock down the population if you're really worried about it. It's something that any or the younger people here (those who are still of the age where they could go to college and get a new degree) who are moderately intelligent could probably accomplish, if they wish. But, hey, if you do, how about email me first so that I can go ahead and start stockpiling
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as I said in another thread,
I think the solution to overpopulation is to force people to actually TAKE CARE of the children they create.
If people had to actually take care of their kids, with their own money, they might not have so many.
Right now, we have public schools funded by the taxes of those who may or may not have kids. If I don't have kids, why am I paying for someone else's kids to go to school? I didn't get any of that pussy! Bullshit. Also, there are tax breaks for parents. WTF? If anything, people who have kids should be taxed MORE, for they are putting more of a burden on society with their indiscriminate breeding.
Finally, I'm tired of the excuses people use to just 'write off' their children. "Oh, Johnny got caught smokin pot, he's cut off..."
Naw, bitch. If there's a problem with your kid, its your problem. You are responsible. People have all these kids, don't raise them right, and then cut them off because their kids didn't turn out how they wanted. Fuckin bullshit. Just cuz you caught your kid smokin pot (or he's gay, or a democrat, or whatever) doesn't give you an excuse to shirk your responsibility to pay for their education.
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lol. I'm not close minded. I'm actually rather open minded - when it gets right down to it, I'm good for pretty much anything. I would rather that our race perseveres, but I probably won't ever know. I'm not super familiar with Chinese law, but when did the new one come about? And what was the old one before it? I might be a bit behind the times on their legal system, but even so the "new" law is still crap. People are still killing their girl children. I mean, hell, a poor person would have even less use for a chick - no offense, but woman's strength isn't really strength. They don't make great farmers, and that is what a poor chinese rice farmer wants, is a child who can run his farm and care for him in his old age. The Chinese gov't is selling a right they don't own - it might help the problem in the short term (though probably not - last time I checked their population was still increasing at a massive rate) but it won't last in the long.
And lasers will probably have very little application once you get to actual war in space. They're only really good for interdicting missiles - lasers are like the dirks of space. Outside of one light second against a maneuvering opponent they are more or less useless. Missiles, on the other hand, can continue to home in on that enemy. So you hold off a few light seconds, launch salvos of missiles, interdict them with your own lasers (called "point defense") and whoever gets swamped first dies. Or, if you think you don't have much chance you do a high velocity run, get too close and too fast for the enemy to hit you with missiles, pass right through them and lease the lasers, and see which force is a pile of floating scrap after a second or so of fighting. Heh. But the Earth is a tiny area to protect in the terms of space warfare. It wouldn't be too hard of a feat to put up a network of lasers which can take out ICBMs in the vacuum of space. If we've made lasers which can shoot dowm missiles in atmosphere (which we have, though I'm sure you've read about it, they're mounting them on C-130's I think) then we can pretty easily take them down in space
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Btw, I hate Al Gore. I think he's just another politician tool. Only problem I have with nuclear is the waste. Find a way to eradicate nuclear waste (don't just bury it somewhere and call it someone else's problem) and I might be ok with it. I also hate mankind, hence my lack of interest in saving it.
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Yoruyonaka said: lol. I'm not close minded. I'm actually rather open minded - when it gets right down to it, I'm good for pretty much anything. I would rather that our race perseveres, but I probably won't ever know. I'm not super familiar with Chinese law, but when did the new one come about? And what was the old one before it? I might be a bit behind the times on their legal system, but even so the "new" law is still crap. People are still killing their girl children. I mean, hell, a poor person would have even less use for a chick - no offense, but woman's strength isn't really strength. They don't make great farmers, and that is what a poor chinese rice farmer wants, is a child who can run his farm and care for him in his old age. The Chinese gov't is selling a right they don't own - it might help the problem in the short term (though probably not - last time I checked their population was still increasing at a massive rate) but it won't last in the long.
well i am a Chinese citizen and i am all for the "new" law that means my nephew can have a sister and not all chinese families want only boys! that's just stupid talk only families living in poverty and use agriculture as their means of income want boys because boys are better used as farmers but that definitely does not mean girls are looked down upon
it's really funny what kinds of stereotypical views people hold towards Chinese people but i don't blame them China just recently opened up to the rest of the world it's no wonder the rest of the world barely knows anything about China
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You don't have to pay those taxes you know There are places with no taxes (plenty of deserted islands ). Of course, the same taxes that pay for the schools also pay for the roads and the protection and the thousands of little programs here and there which make the standard of living of our poorest people something which a king of the middle ages would be envious of.
Fact is, ppl'd keep on having children. Condoms are inconvenient and ruin the fun. Most people just don't think of the future, and punishing their children for it isn't going to change me. Now, don't get me wrong, I'd love to drop all of the welfare programs (at least those that protect people capable of working, which'd be most of them. I'm cool with the gov't paying the way of those too crippled to help themselves. I just don't like the bums living off of the system) and put them into something more worthwhile like space research or updating our infrastructure or bringing all the school systems up to the same level. But you don't fuck the kids because the parents were idiots. That only makes more idiot parents to breed more mongrel hordes. Instead you turn the children into intelligent beings who are smart enough to realize that kids are going to REALLY crimp their fun and their wallets and so only have one or two at a time, or however many they can effectively support.
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I wasn't talking about the rich people, really. And I was using crass mechanical interpretations of the situation b/c that's what everyone else here was doing - being frank and down to earth. A girl child can be a benefit to a wealthy family because they bring alliance through marriage. But still, Chinese society looks more kindly upon boys, from everything I've seen. I'm not Chinese (and why do you put your location as Californication if you're in China? Anyway, really great adaptation to the language, most Chinese speakers I have seen have trouble w/ English type), but I have known enough of them and asked them straight out and their opinion was that the society placed higher values on boys. Of course that is changing, b/c China is modernizing, but it's not really modern yet. I mean, hell, you guys are still saying you're communist even though the government is embracing capitalism with open arms where it suits them. China still has a ways to go. And killing newborns is never a good solution. Dunno if they still do that under the new law, but then I don't think the government ever actually admitted to it under the old one, did they?
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Yoruyonaka said: I wasn't talking about the rich people, really. And I was using crass mechanical interpretations of the situation b/c that's what everyone else here was doing - being frank and down to earth. A girl child can be a benefit to a wealthy family because they bring alliance through marriage. But still, Chinese society looks more kindly upon boys, from everything I've seen. I'm not Chinese (and why do you put your location as Californication if you're in China? Anyway, really great adaptation to the language, most Chinese speakers I have seen have trouble w/ English type), but I have known enough of them and asked them straight out and their opinion was that the society placed higher values on boys. Of course that is changing, b/c China is modernizing, but it's not really modern yet. I mean, hell, you guys are still saying you're communist even though the government is embracing capitalism with open arms where it suits them. China still has a ways to go. And killing newborns is never a good solution. Dunno if they still do that under the new law, but then I don't think the government ever actually admitted to it under the old one, did they?
I live in California now and thank you i hope my English is pretty good
yeah boys are considered to be the foundation of the family i myself disagree for a family you need two equally important factors, the father and the mother
and yes the killing of the newborns is true but it's not nationwide it's only done in some provinces other provinces refuse to do it and instead put babies up for adoption
there are huge adoption clinics where foreigners can adopt children it's pretty sad because the older ones usually don't get adopted
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China outta run in and "save" Darfur so they can "help" them by repopulating them with Chinese people. That'd be pretty slick. You could wipe out the guys attacking them in the process and have two countries worth to repopulate. 'Twould be a nice stopgap.
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i'll be sure to send them a memo
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First of all, this thread is full of selfish and morbid comments, and unrealistic solutions that are based upon hypothesis that have never been proven.
But the bottom line is, yes our world will become overpopulated within a several hundred years if things continue as they are. But our world is not overpopulated now. The problem at this point is not so much the population, it is our exploitation of resources. There is more than enough to support twice of the world's present population if agriculture and economy was under ideal conditions. If you really care about this, then become a vegan and get back to nature and stop supporting so much technology. That's it. You can talk about nature doing this and nature doing that, but the present technological way of life works against nature. And even if we spread out to other planets, with this way of life we would soon rape the planet quickly just like this one.
We have done more damage to this planet in the last 200 years than in all of previous human history combined. Think about it.
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hey, somebody's gotta take advantage of that situation. And China's gotten kinda burned for turning a blind eye to the situation lately. What better way to remedy that than going in as the brave rescuers and liberating the population I mean, hell, I bet they could find reasons to liberate just about every country in africa. It's a pretty fucked up place. And, with the digging of a few massive interior channels and great lakes, it could be made into a pretty fertile place
Lol. Anyway. Oh, I seem to remember someone saying something about the problem of getting rid of nuclear waste. Ummmm duh? You're in a nuclear rocket ship. Dump it in the sun. Throw it out of the solar system. Drop it on pluto or one of the other planetoids out on the edges. Go ahead and collect up the rest of the nuclear waste while you're at it (even though it is not really a risk considering that it is well kept and protected) and throw that away somewhere too. I can guarantee you the sun won't care; might even give us an extra hundredth of a millisecond or so before the sun runs out of fuel and we all die
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Uhm... what? How are you going to dump nuclear waste into the SUN? And I'm pretty sure the rest of the universe doesn't want us dumping our nuclear waste into space. Pretty sure it's not very well kept and protected on earth in the first place either.
IMO we don't even have any business being in space in the first place until we get our act together here.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
#7495466 - 10/07/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder what kinda chemical reactions would take on radioactive or any chemical in space
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
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i must say it is awfully easy to have a dispirited outlook and even resort to apathetic callings for human deaths when faced with the idea of this impeding global problem. but to come to a real solution, and not a fix, is the actual challenge here.
yes! we are draining the planet of its resources like a swarm of leeches, but there is no overpopulation problem, at least not yet. there is a resource allocation problem.
anybody saying that there is no room for six billion plus people on this 57,500,000 square miles of terra is only correct if he assumes that the way we distribute our essential resources across populations today is working just fine.
i believe that it is true that if we concentrated our efforts in green technology, community living, and demanded the already long existing free energy technology, we could really take population management seriously.
unfortunately i am also of the view that nothing of this sort will likely happen without a sort of catalyst, whether it be political, environmental, or extraterrestrial.
it may be a disastrous occurrence, or it may actually be a very positive transformation, who knows? regardless of how it happens, our current way of life will have to change one way or the other.
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I agree altered, there is enough on earth for everyone. Its the lifestyle we lead which are causing the problem. And when the damage this lifestyle is causing starts to impact people living in the rich parts of the world things will change. Because its the rich who consume all the resources, and we probably only make up about 5 percent of the worlds total population.
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AlteredAgain said: yes! we are draining the planet of its resources like a swarm of leeches, but there is no overpopulation problem, at least not yet. there is a resource allocation problem.
There is broad consensus among scientists overpopulation and extreme poverty (which is rising) are tied together. If you think there is a resource problem now, watch what will happen if you bring those people in poverty on the planet to the western world's standard of living. Suggesting we need less humans is no worse than saying we don't and people living in poverty is better.
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As Rush Limbaugh oozes across the ether.. I see a lush scene with all the color drained out of it. No lust for life. Only disdain, despair, disinterest and disgust for the harsh mechanistic progression of the organic gears of this thing called life. Our "education" has served them well.
Have our generations ever known true love? Real love? Love worth remembering as more than just a brief moment in our lives? What happened to feeling? The Input from society is mostly unpleasant so we've crushed the sensors. Murdered the circuit. Cut off the feedback loop. Willing to wallow in the projected reflection of our painful memories. It's all we've known. Love was a dream. The cuddling.. the soft whispers...the touch...a knowing smile... belly laughs from the heart. All dreams. Fantasies. If lived or experienced, it was all an act. Not real. Just a show. A crude imitation, a mockery of what we know we deserve, but always deny.
Read The Fluoride Deception by Christopher Bryson. When we don't know what to do with all our industrial waste, we usually just find a way to feel good about eating it.
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Overpopulation...
Basic biology- all enviroments have a maximum capacity. We've passed that capacity centuries- but intelligence and technology have allowed us to raise that cap, and in some cases ignore/bypass/fix the problems that have come as a result of it.
Several things could happen...
a) humans kill off humans we are our worst enemy, look at world war two. Specifically, look at the world. The united states, for instance, got the ENTIRE. COUNTRY. (90% or whatever, details dont matter) to participate in recycling, rations, and fuel limits.
This is both good and bad. If we applied that to today, hundreds of problems would be solved while hundreds would pop up. (Can't get to work, cant feed the family, or whatever)
But if you look at it- the government got the entire country to whole heartedly support a incredibly deadly war, to the point where they affected their own lives to help support the ending of others.
Of course, the 21st century human is intelligent enough to see past propaganda, (but then again, we've also gotten more retarded from modern luxuries...)
So take that mindset and apply it to today- the entire world supporting war. Instead of b-52's, its stealth bombers. Instead of the homes of london, its whatever city is within range of a ICBM.
Bye bye!
Or, b) Nature hits back Nature has got a couple thousand years to think up a one-two punch to get rid of humans. I wont go into this- you all have seen the 2012 bullshit about yellowstone and whatnot, but whatever.
c) Humans use technology to save ourselves, and the planet The best solution for the earth, and for humans, is for humans to just get the hell off earth. If the planet can survive for another 50 years while we get all that figured out, (Trust me, we can go into space and survive there. The only problem is we have nowhere to go. NASA is brilliant, they can do things that would boggle your mind. Since the brilliance is generally not useful at the time, its considered wasted funding. Go figure, politics.)
However, in the extreme term, this basically means we leave this planet to go to another, and probably repeat the same mistakes.
Which, strangely enough, brings us back to our most primitive roots of technology.
Slash and Burn farming- in heavily forested/jungle areas, cutting everything down and setting it on fire made for excellent farm land, (something to do with the ash and decomposed vegetation, Idk. Once you slashed and burned a spot, you just moved on until it grew back.) But now, we slash and burn a planet, move on, and wait for the planet to recover.
Or maybe I'm just crazy, but those 3 events are what I can see happening.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Reacher]
#11824525 - 01/13/10 07:32 PM (14 years, 18 days ago) |
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bumping two year old threads will certainly do us in before overpopulation. Just wait.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: badchad]
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Interesting thread nonetheless.
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Tedwilto]
#11830383 - 01/14/10 06:25 PM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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hey i saw it in the "similer threads" box below and I was like, why not
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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Reacher]
#11830406 - 01/14/10 06:28 PM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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I'm going to have 3-4 kids
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