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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Shroomism]
    #7496554 - 10/08/07 07:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i must say it is awfully easy to have a dispirited outlook and even resort to apathetic callings for human deaths when faced with the idea of this impeding global problem. but to come to a real solution, and not a fix, is the actual challenge here.

yes! we are draining the planet of its resources like a swarm of leeches, but there is no overpopulation problem, at least not yet. there is a resource allocation problem.

anybody saying that there is no room for six billion plus people on this 57,500,000 square miles of terra is only correct if he assumes that the way we distribute our essential resources across populations today is working just fine.

i believe that it is true that if we concentrated our efforts in green technology, community living, and demanded the already long existing free energy technology, we could really take population management seriously.

unfortunately i am also of the view that nothing of this sort will likely happen without a sort of catalyst, whether it be political, environmental, or extraterrestrial.

it may be a disastrous occurrence, or it may actually be a very positive transformation, who knows? regardless of how it happens, our current way of life will have to change one way or the other.

:earth: :shineon:


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Re: Overpopulation [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7496572 - 10/08/07 07:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree altered, there is enough on earth for everyone. Its the lifestyle we lead which are causing the problem. And when the damage this lifestyle is causing starts to impact people living in the rich parts of the world things will change. Because its the rich who consume all the resources, and we probably only make up about 5 percent of the worlds total population.


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Re: Overpopulation [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7496787 - 10/08/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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AlteredAgain said:
yes! we are draining the planet of its resources like a swarm of leeches, but there is no overpopulation problem, at least not yet. there is a resource allocation problem.



There is broad consensus among scientists overpopulation and extreme poverty (which is rising) are tied together. If you think there is a resource problem now, watch what will happen if you bring those people in poverty on the planet to the western world's standard of living. Suggesting we need less humans is no worse than saying we don't and people living in poverty is better.


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Re: Overpopulation [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7496903 - 10/08/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

As Rush Limbaugh oozes across the ether.. I see a lush scene with all the color drained out of it. No lust for life. Only disdain, despair, disinterest and disgust for the harsh mechanistic progression of the organic gears of this thing called life.
Our "education" has served them well.

Have our generations ever known true love? Real love? Love worth remembering as more than just a brief moment in our lives?
What happened to feeling?
The Input from society is mostly unpleasant so we've crushed the sensors. Murdered the circuit. Cut off the feedback loop. Willing to wallow in the projected reflection of our painful memories. It's all we've known.
Love was a dream.
The cuddling.. the soft whispers...the touch...a knowing smile... belly laughs from the heart.
All dreams. Fantasies. If lived or experienced, it was all an act. Not real. Just a show. A crude imitation, a mockery of what we know we deserve, but always deny.

Read The Fluoride Deception by Christopher Bryson. When we don't know what to do with all our industrial waste, we usually just find a way to feel good about eating it.

All these horrors are the nightmares of the sleeping giant....


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Re: Overpopulation [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #11824377 - 01/13/10 07:08 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Overpopulation...

Basic biology- all enviroments have a maximum capacity.
We've passed that capacity centuries- but intelligence and technology have allowed us to raise that cap, and in some cases ignore/bypass/fix the problems that have come as a result of it.

Several things could happen...

a) humans kill off humans
we are our worst enemy, look at world war two. Specifically, look at the world. The united states, for instance, got the ENTIRE. COUNTRY. (90% or whatever, details dont matter) to participate in recycling, rations, and fuel limits.

This is both good and bad.
If we applied that to today, hundreds of problems would be solved while hundreds would pop up. (Can't get to work, cant feed the family, or whatever)

But if you look at it- the government got the entire country to whole heartedly support a incredibly deadly war, to the point where they affected their own lives to help support the ending of others.

Of course, the 21st century human is intelligent enough to see past propaganda, (but then again, we've also gotten more retarded from modern luxuries...)

So take that mindset and apply it to today- the entire world supporting war. Instead of b-52's, its stealth bombers. Instead of the homes of london, its whatever city is within range of a ICBM.

Bye bye!

Or, b) Nature hits back
Nature has got a couple thousand years to think up a one-two punch to get rid of humans. I wont go into this- you all have seen the 2012 bullshit about yellowstone and whatnot, but whatever.

c) Humans use technology to save ourselves, and the planet
The best solution for the earth, and for humans, is for humans to just get the hell off earth. If the planet can survive for another 50 years while we get all that figured out, (Trust me, we can go into space and survive there. The only problem is we have nowhere to go. NASA is brilliant, they can do things that would boggle your mind. Since the brilliance is generally not useful at the time, its considered wasted funding. Go figure, politics.)

However, in the extreme term, this basically means we leave this planet to go to another, and probably repeat the same mistakes.

Which, strangely enough, brings us back to our most primitive roots of technology.

Slash and Burn farming- in heavily forested/jungle areas, cutting everything down and setting it on fire made for excellent farm land, (something to do with the ash and decomposed vegetation, Idk. Once you slashed and burned a spot, you just moved on until it grew back.)
But now, we slash and burn a planet, move on, and wait for the planet to recover.

Or maybe I'm just crazy, but those 3 events are what I can see happening.


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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Reacher]
    #11824525 - 01/13/10 07:32 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

bumping two year old threads will certainly do us in before overpopulation.  Just wait.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Overpopulation [Re: badchad]
    #11824628 - 01/13/10 07:47 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

:orry:

Interesting thread nonetheless.


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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Tedwilto]
    #11830383 - 01/14/10 06:25 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

hey i saw it in the "similer threads" box below and I was like, why not


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Re: Overpopulation [Re: Reacher]
    #11830406 - 01/14/10 06:28 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

I'm going to have 3-4 kids :thumbup:


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