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early childhood trauma and free will
#7494552 - 10/07/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'm watching this tv series about this serial killer who only kills other serial killers....and it shows these flash backs of his childhood growing up. well in this last episode he recalled a repressed memory of when he was little. his mom and someone else were cut up and killed with a chainsaw right in front of him....he was screaming and crying and his mom was trying to tell him not to look at her before she about to be killed as he was about to kill her she pleaded with him not to do it in front of her baby but he did.
do you think that someone who goes through something can be blamed for being "thirsty for blood" as an adult?
my head is so fucked up after just watching that. i really feel like shit right now.
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Re: early childhood trauma and free will [Re: TameMe]
#7494616 - 10/07/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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We are not responsible for how we are programmed as children. But we do have the ability to become aware of and change programming as an adult. It's hard work and often painful though.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: early childhood trauma and free will *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#7494690 - 10/07/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Veritas it is am amplification circuit which changes the way we view the world on a habitual basis by giving up our free will of imagination to the hands of malevolent authorities which only want to exploit us for currency
it is like reading the bible, then you think oh, what would God do oh is this man a demon
when if you hadn't read the Bible you wouldn't think those things
just cloning....
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (10/07/07 02:58 PM)
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Re: early childhood trauma and free will [Re: leery11]
#7494694 - 10/07/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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do you know that this, this very thing you watch, creates serial killers?
What is the basis for your claim? There were serial killers long before movies and TV existed. Additionally, many people view violent images and DO NOT become serial killers. I think you are making an unwarranted assumption.
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Re: early childhood trauma and free will [Re: leery11]
#7494712 - 10/07/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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you can't say that one stimulus is the sole cause for someone being a serial killer.
but reading that while letting this thing load freaks me out and i'm thinking about not watching it....yet i am as curious as a cat.
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Re: early childhood trauma and free will [Re: TameMe]
#7494718 - 10/07/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'm watching this tv series about this serial killer who only kills other serial killers
 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7494157/an/0/page/0
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Icelander said: We are not responsible for how we are programmed as children. But we do have the ability to become aware of and change programming as an adult.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: early childhood trauma and free will [Re: leery11]
#7494784 - 10/07/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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leery11 said:
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i'm watching this tv series about this serial killer who only kills other serial killers
 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7494157/an/0/page/0
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Icelander said: We are not responsible for how we are programmed as children. But we do have the ability to become aware of and change programming as an adult.
can you give a quick synopsis of what happens in that video....i really don't know if i can handle watching it right now after what i watched earlier.
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Re: early childhood trauma and free will [Re: TameMe]
#7494859 - 10/07/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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synopsis: television is a tool if you have seen 2001 a space oddysey, some of the monkeys use the advent of technology usefully, others use it to kill one another
this portrays the latter aspect of television, the darkness and how it impacts our mind, it conveys only the negative acts of television and shows no redemptive properties, however it is an important illustration to make as most people do not consider seriously what they are doing when they allow negative media into their sensory doors
while tool in themselves are often 'negative' media they are so in an inverse way
many heavy metal bands encourage the proliferation of harmful acts by glamorizing certain anti-social personality traits
Maynard through tool ILLUMINATES these personality traits so that one, hearing his message, has no choice but to abandon the anti-social activities which they once thought were 'cool' in their earlier days
he focuses rampantly on shining light on how 'evil' actions operate through the thought-processes of errant men, drug addiction, violence, depression, and gives encouragement to seek inner Light and Transcendence
this video offers no hope, however the album it is on does,
the video illustrates how the world of television has a tendency to offer us no hope, simply showing us to a reality that is full of predatory human beings that are 'strangers' and 'out to get us' and that the world is helplessly doomed however the video shows that this is only a perception, and calls for those who take the political use of tv to destroy human minds seriously to wake up and find a more positive way to live
the song is called vicarious because, like we are doing right now, vicarious life is no substitute for REAL life and REAL human touch and often leads only to dysfunction
however we have an advantage in that if we see something that is a lie, or that we don't agree with, we can take it apart bit by bit and refute it whereas television never allows the user to even see that he is being lied to for the ideas are very brief such as BURGER GOOD POT BAD BEER GOOD HIPPY BAD OBEY POLICEMEN FEEL SCARED LAUGH
it all just flips through too fast to catch unless you have TIVO or a keen analytical mind
this is what the video shows it is dark, because it shows you how fucking hopeless life is if you really let yourself believe the negative polarity of what tv shows you
i encourage you to watch it because it is not harmful in and of itself keeping in mind that when he says certain things such as 'the universe is hostile' he is speaking from the voice of the man who perceives reality that way due to where he is always looking (into a flickering box)
perhaps one of the most fundamentally important things to know about this world is that there are so many people that Love you enough to Die for you even complete strangers
and if you only think about strangers as things to run over with your pixelated car, or people who carry chainsaws or things like that, or if you only hear about SHOT IN THE HEAD AND TORSO on the news and you hear SHOT IN THE HEAD AND TORSO 10,000 times you might really think that people are scum
and people are shit
but people just are what they are, how do you know what they are if you spend most of your time in a reality that firstly, isn't real and secondly, is heavily negative?
now you watch the Simpsons, or you watch a Family Sitcom or something (where people are functional there is a lot of dysfunctional stuff too) and you might not feel that way, its just a tool
but childhood trauma? many children who have loving families undergo immense trauma just by watching someone get hacked up to pieces by a chainsaw....... and they see it in a box
so right then and there we know something is wrong, for a little kid or even a grown up to find enjoyment in seeing someone getting hacked up by a chainsaw
we know with common sense that this is evil because the first time any little kid sees that they will cry
maybe their parents say shut up don't be a pansy it isn't real
but you know, eventually it is COOL and you HAVE to watch this stuff because it KICKS ASS if you are an adolescent male, typically
fucked up stuff if you ask me
when Virginia Tech happened I didn't give the first damn, everyone in class was scared a bit, and scared of Asian people a bit know why I wasn't scared? BEcause I didn't even know it happened until I heard the gossip. I didn't sit and stare at the corpses (if they showed them)
imagine how different that day in school was for me and my non-tv watching friends,
no really i mean imagine it
you know, we weren't scared of anything
if police said WE NEED TO DO THIS AND THAT TO KEEP YOU SAFE
we would have laughed, no you aren't going to search me or profile me or anything like that, i'm not in danger
its just karma
its just the universe you can't prevent anything from happening, what happens will
and we just
think that the police will save us or the politicians will save us or someone will save us from what? from fucking what?
its an illusion box.
if you want to know how much childhood trauma warps our personality, i can't be certain
it is a very sad thing
but i can be certain that even healthy people are warped by the media
if you're ever tripping and you hear someone blaring gangster rap you might come to the realization that they are invoking demons GUN SHOT echo echo echo GUN SHOT YOU AND ME ARE THUGS SHUT UP BITCH gun shot
ummm hello
i'm not saying the devil is real
but
maybe he is? My words
I could hurt people with my words...... I reach thousands of minds with my words, but I try to help. I don't want money from you guys. I'm not HOLY and INFALLIBLE (yet?) and you know, I have my own insecurities and neuortic issues
but I try to help out
and I'm shining a light right now on very real, true, demons
they can be nothing other than demons
do they hurt you? it depends
on if you give them power
i mean you can watch this stuff for LEARNING about how the tv conditions minds
thats fine
you can watch it for a large number of okay reasons
but if you watch it for enjoyment it is sculpting you into a less than noble person and harming your mind greatly
ya know? but it depends
the damage is NORMALLY small but there are always exceptions because all it does is clone people into what they see
i mean, how many kids say DOH that is fine but how many kids draw pictures of people's heads being cut off ? carry knives? guns? mace
fuck police are some of the weirdest things, they carry guns all the time
does that really keep themselves safe?
who needs a gun ? who are you afraid of THE BOOGEYMAN?
the BOOGEYMAN IS COMING they all cry out
well i will perhaps be criticized for this and that's okay, because i'm talking about the extreme polarities
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (10/07/07 03:35 PM)
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Re: early childhood trauma and free will [Re: TameMe]
#7495255 - 10/07/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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TameMe said: i'm watching this tv series about this serial killer who only kills other serial killers....and it shows these flash backs of his childhood growing up. well in this last episode he recalled a repressed memory of when he was little. his mom and someone else were cut up and killed with a chainsaw right in front of him....he was screaming and crying and his mom was trying to tell him not to look at her before she about to be killed as he was about to kill her she pleaded with him not to do it in front of her baby but he did.
do you think that someone who goes through something can be blamed for being "thirsty for blood" as an adult?
my head is so fucked up after just watching that. i really feel like shit right now.
The show doesnt do Dexter justice the book was the best iv read so far pick it up if you liked the show.
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Re: early childhood trauma and free will [Re: AJ4U]
#7495295 - 10/07/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow i didn't even know there was a book. what's the name of it and who is it by?
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Re: early childhood trauma and free will [Re: TameMe]
#7497674 - 10/08/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eckhart Tolle is a genius in my book for his contribution of the idea of the "Pain Body." If you have not read The Power of Now (I've read it twice and rarely do I do that), I highly recommend that you do so.
I can appreciate your state of being upset after watching that show. It is designed, like many other TV shows, movies and news programs to 'feed' the Pain Body - a sort of autonomous complex of astounding power which many many people unwittingly identify with. The task of Awakening, in good measure, is to dis-identify with that part of ourselves which thrives on pain (like that pinwheel-looking entity on the original Star Trek series).
My Lady and I realized that we were feeding the Pain Body by watching CSIs, Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, Criminal Minds and some others where we convinced our willing minds that we were watching these shows for the character development (CSI: Las Vegas) and for the behavioral and forensic science. So much reality needs to be suspended to believe the successful outcomes of these shows that one may as well be watching 'Stargate Atlantis'! We have now limited our viewing dramatically.
Nevertheless, relishing fighting of all kinds, rubbernecking on the highway to see blood and gore, watching films like 'Saw', etc., etc., all serve to feed the Pain Body and to create additional degrees of subject-object separation - the opposite of the moment-to-moment experience of Unitive Being. Unless one is involved with pain and horror for the purpose of relieving human suffering, one is just a slave to the Pain Body. It is sadistic AND masochistic (there's a little of one in the other), increases suffering and illusion and is just not healthy for anyone.
Peace.
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This could well be true.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: early childhood trauma and free will [Re: Icelander]
#7503436 - 10/09/07 10:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Marcos is right. In addition violence and pain has, in one form or another, been amusement for mankind since recorded history at the very least.
I think that unless one is trully insane, as defined by the US government, they are responsible for their actions. No one made them do it. Yes, they may be delusional and all that stuff, but if they are burying bodies in the basement, thy know they are doing wrong.
The devil made me do it (or whatever the case may be) is either a cop-out or a very crazy person.
Nature vs nurture- nothing more than unproveable theories that evolve with our culture, science, and paridigms.
EG
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