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Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything?
#7494342 - 10/07/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Null physics
This author claims to have answered the basic fundamental questions of the universe. His new physics allegedly replaces the convoluted and flawed models that are now in existence. He seems sincere and knowlegeable and not some wacko (based upon discussions in other forums and not from his website). His fledgling theory address problems with The Big Bang, Dark Matter and gravity.
I eagerly await some educated reviews in the coming months. If this pans out, we can all pack our bags and go home.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7495259 - 10/07/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its about time that somebody finally figured out all of the secrets of the universe for once and for all. Now that this is set in stone we can finally quit spending all of these dollars on research and get down to business.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7495448 - 10/07/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i predict (so out of character for me to do predictions) we will yet be looking at the next wrinkle in the fractal subcomposition of the universe that our last and best glimpse revealed and it is just the beginning of some new science (or branch) and not a last word for all time at all.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7495614 - 10/07/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Of course it isn't the last word. Now that truly would be hard to comprehend.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: Icelander]
#7495839 - 10/07/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There will never be a unified theory of everything because our puny brains could never accept it or comprehend it. The whole thing is a puzzle and all we'll ever find are pieces.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7496570 - 10/08/07 07:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i tend to think some of the puzzle peices are scattered about in places inaccesable to humanity. ill give the source props for that one, there is something nice about keeping it mystic. the game is only fun while your playing it. once beaten theres no reason to play.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7496615 - 10/08/07 08:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heard about this book also, I think I might buy it and see how accurate it is. Here's a forum where the author is debating with a member about his ideas, I havent read most of it so i can't comment yet on if the guy is a joke or not: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=3034752
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7501638 - 10/09/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read the forum, and it seems this guy is kind of a hack. I only know a bit about particle physics though, so I can't comment on most of it unfortunately. I kind of want to read his book though to read about what he has to say about QFT or QM or GR, which Im decently familiar with. Anyone else here know more about particle physics?
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: TheCow]
#7501658 - 10/09/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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As long as his new paradigm leads to warp drive, I don't care if it is flawed.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: TheCow]
#7501659 - 10/09/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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As long as his new paradigm leads to warp drive, I don't care if it is flawed.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9017060 - 10/02/08 05:06 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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See this review of āOur Undiscovered Universeā by Terence Witt from a professional physicist: http://web.mit.edu/~bmonreal/www/Null_Physics_Review.html
Also see my review at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~fiski/ouu_review.html. The flaws of this crackpot book are many and include: Redefining the concept of infinity as a length with magnitude. Defining a line as a series of points written as zeros, treating them as numbers so that they add up to zero and then treating the number zero as a point again! A really bad atomic model "proving" that a electron orbiting a proton has a ground state that it cannot decay from by creating a new physical law. Using the high school description of a neutron as a proton plus an electron and not realizing that this is just his atomic model! Postulating that galaxies have "galactic cores" which are super massive objects that are not quite black holes and not realizing that the centre of the Milky Way is well observed. These recycle stars into hydrogen. Oddly enough astronomers have not noticed dozens of stars vanishing from the galactic centre in the many images that they have taken over the last few decades.
Conclusion: Bad mathematics and even worse physics.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: Real Physics]
#9017315 - 10/02/08 08:08 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sure most mass media is crackpot, but when an actual theory of everything finally surfaces we can count on 'experts' calling it 'crackpot' at first.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: Middleman]
#9018357 - 10/02/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not if there is evidence to support it they wont.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9019290 - 10/02/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is the basic premise of Null Physics?
Null Physics is derived from the concept that our entire universe is the internal structure of nothingness. In other words, physical reality is an intricate, four-dimensional geometric equation that adds to zero because it exists within zero. There is no beginning or end to our universe because there is no beginning or end to nothingness. Reality is composed of space and curvatures of space (energy), both of which are composed of geometric points, which are the physical representation of nothingness. In short, there is no difference between a universe whose sum is zero and a universe that exists as a formulation of zero.
Sounds like what all the mystics have been saying. Are you feeling OK, OC?
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#9019602 - 10/02/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oweyervishice said:
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What is the basic premise of Null Physics?
Null Physics is derived from the concept that our entire universe is the internal structure of nothingness. In other words, physical reality is an intricate, four-dimensional geometric equation that adds to zero because it exists within zero. There is no beginning or end to our universe because there is no beginning or end to nothingness. Reality is composed of space and curvatures of space (energy), both of which are composed of geometric points, which are the physical representation of nothingness. In short, there is no difference between a universe whose sum is zero and a universe that exists as a formulation of zero.
Sounds like what all the mystics have been saying. Are you feeling OK, OC?
Skeptics like to believe the magical lies just as much as the rest of us; they just like to have hard evidence so they can get away with it.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#9019870 - 10/02/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Skeptics like to believe the magical lies just as much as the rest of us; they just like to have hard evidence so they can get away with it.
I find myself expressing skepticism so as to show solidarity with scientists - one of my close friends is a physics major - and other skeptics, in addition to not being able to trust everyone.
I believe in many magical "lies," and try to mollify the scientists - part of nondual nothingness, right? - by expressing the bizarre phenomena in a more rational/logical/scientific language.
If a viewpoint without hard proof cuts into my enjoyment of life or my sensibilities, I am stubbornly skeptical until that proof arrives. Speculation on the nature of the universe, or on possibilities of higher awareness and mind-expanding concepts, however, is always grand.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: zannennagara]
#9020025 - 10/02/08 07:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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A good approach.
Everything is true after all, when you see what lies beneath. (What's beneath lies?)
It's all a matter of context, treating people like puzzle pieces when that is how they wish to be treated; and like your self when I know I am with you.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#9020042 - 10/02/08 07:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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ExplosiveMango said: It's all a matter of context, treating people like puzzle pieces when that is how they wish to be treated; and like your self when I know I am with you.
I like to shake up people's jigsaw boxes.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9020113 - 10/02/08 07:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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We Phantoms appear out of nowhere..... 

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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#9021639 - 10/03/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: There will never be a unified theory of everything because our puny brains could never accept it or comprehend it. The whole thing is a puzzle and all we'll ever find are pieces.
And this is supported by what evidence?
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: learningtofly]
#9021860 - 10/03/08 01:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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This guy does seem like a crackpot, but only because he's trying to pass off his theory as real science instead of just accepting that everyone has their own idea. Personally I see where he's coming from, having had a similar revelation. Nothing and Everything can't exist without each other...
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9022475 - 10/03/08 07:08 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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IMO all of this (mostly) is summed up in the first chapter, 'something from nothing'
Will science ever explain how something comes from nothing?
It cant because any equation it comes up with is just another 'something'
If you really want to understand this all thats necessary is to get in touch with the part of 'you' that is nothing, your awareness.
As awareness is nothingness, because if any object (something) is placed in front of it, there is awareness of it. So to understand the very peak of existence, how something becomes nothing, just investigate the nature of awareness.
Awareness is the core of life, it is that nothing which creates all of this something we call universe.
Theres nothing 'hippy' about this its just a fact, without awareness you could not exist or experience & its also a fact that awareness is nothingness because all 'somethings' come after, seen by awareness.
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Huehuecoyotl said: There will never be a unified theory of everything because our puny brains could never accept it or comprehend it. The whole thing is a puzzle and all we'll ever find are pieces.

Therorizing about the pieces or fragments doesn't answer where they came from
Its fun to see these 'theories of everything' come up & get blown into the nothingness from which they came, trying to conceptualize infinity 
This is the whole trick of this existence, to get you assesing & measuring the fragments, to look to the stars for answers when you yourself are the answer of 'everything'
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9022753 - 10/03/08 09:02 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: trendal]
#9022866 - 10/03/08 09:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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The writer is actually posting in response in that thread and making very good justifications. Worth reading.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: Chronic7]
#9022982 - 10/03/08 10:21 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: IMO all of this (mostly) is summed up in the first chapter, 'something from nothing'
Will science ever explain how something comes from nothing?
It cant because any equation it comes up with is just another 'something'
If you really want to understand this all thats necessary is to get in touch with the part of 'you' that is nothing, your awareness.
As awareness is nothingness, because if any object (something) is placed in front of it, there is awareness of it. So to understand the very peak of existence, how something becomes nothing, just investigate the nature of awareness.
Awareness is the core of life, it is that nothing which creates all of this something we call universe.
Theres nothing 'hippy' about this its just a fact, without awareness you could not exist or experience & its also a fact that awareness is nothingness because all 'somethings' come after, seen by awareness.
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Huehuecoyotl said: There will never be a unified theory of everything because our puny brains could never accept it or comprehend it. The whole thing is a puzzle and all we'll ever find are pieces.

Therorizing about the pieces or fragments doesn't answer where they came from
Its fun to see these 'theories of everything' come up & get blown into the nothingness from which they came, trying to conceptualize infinity 
This is the whole trick of this existence, to get you assesing & measuring the fragments, to look to the stars for answers when you yourself are the answer of 'everything'
Science doesn't attempt to explain what happened before the "big bang." Where did you get that idea? It also doesn't attempt to explain how something came from nothing, hence the first law of thermodynamics.
I really like how you stated your opinion is a fact. Please provide evidence that without awareness nothing would exist. If you're in a coma it doesn't mean that nothing else exists just because you're not aware. Once again, "the whole trick of existence," why are you stating your unfounded opinion is a fact?
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: learningtofly]
#9023824 - 10/03/08 02:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, I read reviews more thoroughly; it looks like it is pretty incongruous with reality. Oh well, another day perhaps, Null Physics.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#9024008 - 10/03/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Someday I will post my theorem which I call Dull Physics.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9025344 - 10/03/08 07:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Someday I will post my theorem which I call Dull Physics.
To most people, that is just normal main-stream physics.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: Chronic7]
#9026348 - 10/03/08 10:49 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Isn't awareness "something"? It has nothing to do with nothingness.
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#9028217 - 10/04/08 12:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: Its about time that somebody finally figured out all of the secrets of the universe for once and for all. Now that this is set in stone we can finally quit spending all of these dollars on research and get down to business.
And retire P&S
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Re: Our Undiscovered Universe - New Theory of Everything? [Re: Icelander]
#9028355 - 10/04/08 12:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then I can go back to doing something productive like building a scale model cathedral out of toothpicks.
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