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jeetered
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: Mycodood]
#7497167 - 10/08/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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regular incandescent light works...
if you can read by it, it's enough.
You can use tap water, but, depending on where you live, and your water quality. If it's bad, and you wouldn't drink it, use bottled water, it never hurts to be safe.
Besides, Chlorine is never good for myc.
RogerRabbit, you are 100% wrong, about mushrooms and photosynthesis, light is only needed to set a pinset, after that, they know what way to grow... no light is needed after that, and growth accelerates in the dark..
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if you're keeping a huge lighting cycle after a pinset is set, then you're wasting energy within the substrate, to try to create MORE pins, when they are all ready set.
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: jeetered]
#7497460 - 10/08/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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light is only needed to set a pinset, after that, they know what way to grow...
i knew it!
peace out Dm
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: dutchmushroom]
#7497564 - 10/08/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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someone who has no life and can post all day long
thanks! i have about 600 posts, i have been a member here since august of last year, thats less then 2 posts aday :rollseyes:
plus the reason allot of people with low post counts get treated like idiots is because allot of them are, i dont know why you think i am respected here because i am not, if you want to be respected here then post something of value and try to help people out,
i try to give people good advice and answers to there questions, and i may have been wrong about light making no diference in mushroom growth, but it doesint for me, and i can only give this guy advice on what works FOR ME
but i still believe that light only affects pin set and not actual mushroom grow,
peace out Dm
bro, i didnt even look at YOUR post count when i posted that. So i wasnt talking about anyone in specific. The comment wasnt directed towards anyone specifically, rather towards the community as a whole. Im also not referring to people who have large post counts over the course of YEARS.
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: toadstooly]
#7498213 - 10/08/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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o my bad
peace out Dm
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: dutchmushroom]
#7499921 - 10/08/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now I just don't even know WTF to think
Two pretty respected members, head to head...
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: OpFoxdie]
#7504687 - 10/10/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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it's not head to head,
what's important, is that you realize there is more then 4 ways to skin this cat called mycology.
Some people have their methods, others have their own.
but really, light through a whole cycle isn't needed.
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: jeetered]
#7504987 - 10/10/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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So many different teks work to varying degrees. You have to balance what you have time for, what teks appeal to your sense of mycology, and what you want to get out of this hobby.
Bottom line, if it works, it works, even if 100 members react violently to your suggestion and call you every name in the book.
If you want to really distill out the BS, then search only posts from respected members, such as Agar and RogerRabbit, although that is a short list that leaves many out, it's a good start.
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: Mycodood]
#7505102 - 10/10/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mycodood said: I can understand the "what works for me" thing but there is a real science to growing mushrooms.
So maybe it would be a good idea to explain that science, instead of just saying something is wrong, eh?
dutchmushroom is at least partially correct. Mushrooms are not plants, they do not produce energy with photosynthesis and they can (and do) grow in the dark. However, not unlike most plants, light is a growth signal for mushrooms - it tells them where they should be growing to get their spores above ground (a subterranean mushroom dropping spores would be pretty ineffective, don't you think?).
As for which light you should use, there is often a correlation between how close your artificial substitute is to the natural process and success. This is why many members of this community suggest using indirect sunlight - sunlight is the natural process. High frequency CFLs produce light that mushrooms might "believe" is sunlight (at least more so than a standard incandescent bulb). That said, there are probably thousands of people getting by just fine without them.
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7505259 - 10/10/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushrooms do not conduct photosynthesis, so no light is needed, and if you think you got better results with a higher frequence light then it was a placeabo,
You are 100% wrong. The rest of your answers are right on, but with that statement, you are contradicting every experienced grower from here to paul stamets. The evidence speaks volumes otherwise.
1) I'd suggest an alcohol lamp to sterilize so you won't be anywhere near your kitchen during inoculations. Kitchens are full of molds and mold producing/carrying foods such as bread and cheese, vegetables, fruits, etc., not to mention all the bacteria that lives and breeds in the sink drain and in all those hard to reach to clean spaces. There's no need to wipe with alcohol after flaming the syringe. Wait two or three seconds and inject. Work in a glovebox of course.
2) Colonize and fruit at normal room temperature. Do not elevate the temperature above 81F in any event. Light or dark makes no difference during colonization.
3) You can dunk in tap water. There is no need to use distilled or bottled.
4) Use bright fluorescent light or place the grow table near a bright window. Avoid direct sunlight.
After your substrate flushes, allow it to sit undisturbed for a few days to a week to 'rest' and dry out, and then dunk and repeat the process. Good luck. RR
RogerRabbit did not say at any moment that mushrooms conduct photosynthesis. You really can't expect him to think that do you? And I'm not talking about the post count, I'm talking about the fact that he has cultivated dozens of kinds of mushrooms, has made a video tutorial covering most aspects of micology, has grown shrooms on a bible, etc etc etc.
What he said, is that the guy he quoted was wrong in saying that because shrooms do not conduct photosynthesis no light is needed.
Light is a pinning trigger (as are others such as increased FAE) and also, as shrooms are phototropic (grow towards light) they will all grow upwards if they have a good light source above them.
Indirect sunlight or white light lamps are best if I remember correctly.
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: Nibin]
#7505522 - 10/10/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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that's cool, my fault, i know rr KNOWS that shrooms do not produce photosynthesis.
what makes you think i've only cultivated cubensis? and making a video isn't that hard.
RR is a great great contributer to this community, i will not deny that.
I am saying, shrooms don't need light thru the entire maturation cycle. (cropping)
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: jeetered]
#7505633 - 10/10/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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For the experienced, than it's rye or WBS jars spawned to manure, who can argue that?
BRF cakes are for noobs, although their ability to produce good fruits is not questioned, it's merely a bulk thing.
Some peeps swear by cased cakes, my foaf says rye to poo!
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7505733 - 10/10/07 02:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd suggest an alcohol lamp to sterilize
I saw a video where someone used a common BIC lighter to sterilize the needle. It sure is hot enough and is really convenient.
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7505977 - 10/10/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: BRF cakes are for noobs, although their ability to produce good fruits is not questioned, it's merely a bulk thing.
If it's a question of yield, then why are they only for "noobs"? I would assume some cultivators only require a small amount for personal use, and cakes are likely quite capable of providing them with that.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: I saw a video where someone used a common BIC lighter to sterilize the needle. It sure is hot enough and is really convenient.
Alcohol is frequently suggested because it is a clean flame. Butane lighters will sterilize a needle (it's a simple question of heat) but leave behind a carbon residue. If you don't plan to reuse the needle, a lighter is probably fine. Or you can pour a small amount of alcohol into the bottom of a shot glass (use one of those with a small indentation on the bottom - don't fill the whole thing up, you don't need that much and you'll probably burn the house down) or similar small, glass (or otherwise non-flammable) container and burn that.
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: NexusOne]
#7507244 - 10/10/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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careful for the people using small or cardboard gloveboxes!
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: Andrew47]
#7507805 - 10/11/07 03:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i don't use a flame to sterilize anything, a simple alcohol wipe is sufficient.
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: jeetered]
#7507826 - 10/11/07 03:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love you guys and dont want anyone to be misinformed so please read the post below. Dont be afraid to experiment either. I have put it to the test and it is in my experience, 100% correct.
Light has absolutely NOTHING to do with telling the mycelium that it has reached the surface. The increased fresh air, with the corresponding drop in CO2 levels sends the mycelium that message.
Light is also NOT just to establish the direction the fruits grow. In fact, air currents have a greater effect on direction of growth than light. If you doubt this, place a fan on your crop and watch.
A few seconds of light per day will NOT help to generate a good pinset. In fact, light is a secondary pinning trigger, but an important one. The difference between three or four pins, and hundreds of pins on a substrate can be directly correlated to the length, intensity, and frequency of the light applied, provided the primary pinning triggers have been fulfilled.
The light needs to be intense enough to penetrate 1/2" into the substrate. Not all pins form on the surface. Many originate from deeper in the substrate or casing layer.
Higher frequency light above a color temperature of 5,000 Kelvin will generate far more pins than a 'red' source of light such as incandescent lamps.
Fungi is a living organism that is much more closely related to mammals such as humans, than to plants. People need to quit looking at mycelium as a different kind of plant, which it isn't. Mycelium has been shown to have circadian rhythms just like mammals, and this is the reason that 12/12 light cycles work best. This planet, and all surface life on it are based on the 24 hour day. For best results, learn to work with nature rather than against it. Mycelium has an amazing ability to cope with less than optimal conditions, and will often fruit when a grower does everything wrong. However, do everything right and watch your performance go through the roof. RR
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Re: New here, just ordered some things, looking for a little advice [Re: jeetered]
#7508352 - 10/11/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am saying, shrooms don't need light thru the entire maturation cycle. (cropping)
And, you are wrong. Perhaps you can spend a few years learning the ropes instead of constantly trying to contradict what those who have been doing this(and teaching people like you) for many years have found through trial and error over the course of many thousands of projects. You are calling everyone from me to paul stamets wrong, yet you offer no verification or pictures to show that your ways are superior. It's all talk, and nothing but talk.
The problem is that many new growers get a first harvest and think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, so whatever techniques they used, they recommend to others.
On the other side, experienced growers here will never give advice on the easiest way, the laziest way, the cheapest way, etc., but will advise on the best way to not only achieve a pinset, but on a wall-to-wall pinset that will rock your socks. There are varying degrees of success in this hobby. A Geo will get you from point A to point B, but for newbie drivers to give advice that a Geo is the best car to get you up a rugged mountain trail instead of a Jeep, only speaks of ignorance and inexperience.
The lighting questions have been resolved for at least a decade, if not longer. Many newbies are more than happy with a BE of 50%, while the experienced growers consider anything less than a BE of 100% to 200% to be failure. It's all in the 'degree of success' one seeks. RR
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