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Why the need for larger doses?
    #7489868 - 10/05/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so i've been thinking about something for a long time, hopefully you folks could help me out. When i take lsd or mushrooms i always have to take a much larger dose then my friends to get to the same level. I have indulged in the magic mushroom many times but never too close between trips, i'd say always spaced at the least a week apart but most of the time a couple months. Acid i have only take around 10 times in my life, but still every time i have to take a lot more than my friends to get to the same level. This could be due to a number of reasons 1. I am a large dude, around 230 lbs. to be exact 2. i did a lot of experimenting with diphenhydramine, dimenhydrinate, and dxm before trying a true psychedelic and in some way this got my mind to be familiar with being extremely distorted (i've had some tough experiences with the dramamine and benadryl) or 3. Im simply a hard-head and my mind is wired in a certain way that it requires a greater dose to achieve desired effects.

Example of dosage differences:
My friends take 2 tabs of the WoW going around recently to have an actual trip thats beyond just threshold effect. 3 will give me threshold and 4 gives me an actual trip. Tried a couple times, same results always.

Some amazing boomers were going around during the early summer and my friends would be completely obliterated with taking an eighth, i as well had a nice trip from 3.5 gr but i was totally coherent and the distortion of mind and vision was not too great, when i really wanted to get out there i took 7g, powdered with lemon juice. This also happened on numerous occasions.

Same for DOC actually, i forgot to mention. Most of my friends took 3 tabs of blotter DOC over 4 hours, i took 5 or 6 to be at the same level.

Thoughts? Is it simply that i am a larger person then my friends or is it psychological?


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7489894 - 10/05/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You are less sensitive.

I am the exact opposite, I am extremely sensitive to psychedelics.

Cubies? I take 0.25-1gr on average. I can really go out of my gourd on half a gram. LSD, 25-75mcg.

And the highest sensitivity of all: Decent quality hashish or weed - 0.01-0.05gr.
Seriously. The crumb you drop when you roll a joint is all it takes for me.


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7489896 - 10/05/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Possibly a lil' of both is my guess.

Super tired here, so...

Good question!

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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7489969 - 10/05/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have the same exact problem... I always have to take much larger doses than my friends to get the same lvl trip.

Im still trying to figure out why... Im not a larger person, so I dont think thats it. The only other things I can think of is just my personality, or what im looking for in the trip.

For example, if my friends idea of a trip is just slight visuals, and a small body high (which i know a few people who dont like to "let go" as much as I do, and enjoy small trips like this), and my idea of a trip is strong OEV where I can actually play with the visuals, make things happen, see shit in things that there isnt anything, etc etc.. you know what i mean... anyway... Im going to have to take alot more than they do to get the effect I want vs. what my friend might want.

Also, I dontknow about you, but Im a really laid back person, dont panic really ever, and can just relax, let go, and let things happen without trying to force anything. I need the trip to really jump out at me and catch my attention like in a strong trip that slaps me in the face, grabs me by the back of the neck, and throws me into an alternate universe with OEV spinning around on the walls everywhere, vs. actively trying to see things with my eyes closed, really concentrating on it, etc. I guess that kinda ties into those who like soft trips they can control, vs trips I like that are stong and (not uncontrollable, but just something I dont have much control over). I like folling the trip to see where it takes me instead of leading it somewhere.

Does that sound like you, or am I just wierd?


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7489972 - 10/05/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Its probably all of the above, its weird i need .25g of 20x salvia(+weed)
to trip but .5g of weed will last me an entire weekend.


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: 2012shaman]
    #7490240 - 10/06/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i CANT trip on Salvia. im like broken or something, i've smoked 20x at least 30 times and have yet to have any visuals.


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7490611 - 10/06/07 07:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for all the responses, i appreciate em'. ShroomieGirl i think you probably hit the nail on the head ha, i may just be looking for more in a trip then my friends. I also need to be smacked in the face with a trip, i think my mind has a tough time tuning in to a light dose, its just not really receptive to it. A couple people i know can take a low dose and just really concentrate and focus on their head, and they'll trip nicely. I myself can't do that, no matter how hard i try, maybe it's something that'll come to me over time idk. You might be right in that what others consider to be very intense i just consider to be a normal trip. Either way, lets hang out and trip out :mushroom2: ha. Also please dont jack this thread and turn it into a salvia doesnt work for me thread


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7490631 - 10/06/07 07:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

to see how far one can go/to see what else is there/here


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7490635 - 10/06/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

learningtofly said:
i CANT trip on Salvia. im like broken or something, i've smoked 20x at least 30 times and have yet to have any visuals.




sorry to hear it! I have a couple of friends that are salvia "hardheads" as well, and I just don't understand it!  I've never read anything on a reason for it - I find it fascinating, and unfortunate :frown:


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7490639 - 10/06/07 07:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

First of all the term threshold refers to the point where you can tell that there is something foreign in your system. Clammy hands and slightly brighter colors are a threshold on LSD.. I think that you are looking to breakthrough while your friends are happy with laughing and trails.


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: Slimz]
    #7490648 - 10/06/07 07:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, yea im aware of the meaning of the word threshold, and have used it in my posts accordingly. And Demius, read my post not just the title, talking about two different subjects


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7490687 - 10/06/07 08:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so it takes 4 tabs for you to get anything beyond just threshold... That does not seem right at all...


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: Slimz]
    #7490719 - 10/06/07 08:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's weak paper, 4 tabs i will get a nice trip. 3 tabs will give me noticeable effects but i wont have what i consider an acid trip, like i will have some enhancement of colors and there are halos around lights and shit, but my mind doesn't expand and the effects are transient. And yea, it doesn't seem right, hence my reason for the original post. If you're only hear to flame me and disprove me please stop posting. Im just trying to figure some stuff out man :peace:


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7490737 - 10/06/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Back up there soldier... There is no flame in my tone.. im just trying to figure if its the drugs or if its your chemistry.. in this case it soulds like a little of both... Im a 2 hit guy (alltho i broke through in 1, 2 months ago) but i would say your paper is probably a little old, or just weak..


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: Slimz]
    #7490747 - 10/06/07 08:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok glad theres none of that :smile:, anyways yea im aware that its fairly weak but the thing is my friends will get with 2 what i get with 4, its odd...


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7490752 - 10/06/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well thats not THAT odd then.. if they need 2 then its prolly like 50-70 mics of active LSD, wich meands 2 is 100-140 (or 1 good hit) and if you need 2 normaly than it all sounds about right..


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: Slimz]
    #7490822 - 10/06/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

there's this guy i know who can eat 10-15g of potent cubensis and still behave pretty normal.
not only mushrooms but also other psychedelics he need 2-3x more than the average dose.
that guy used two frikkin grams of dxm :eek:


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: Arp]
    #7490869 - 10/06/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:jointsmile:

sounds like a plan... we can each take 7g and be happy little people for a few hours

Im glad im not just wierd, and that you understood where i was coming from. I was starting to think I was the only one who really needed a shit ton more mushies or tabs than my friends.


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: ShroomieGirl]
    #7490914 - 10/06/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

the trick is convincing them the reason you need to take more.. especialy if you all went in together on the stash


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Re: Why the need for larger doses? [Re: Slimz]
    #7491062 - 10/06/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The only thing i've ever went in on with friends is a large bag of weed and that was cus we were vacationing together, otherwise psychedelics and all other drugs i buy solo


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