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Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can
    #7489457 - 10/05/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Symptoms of Peak Oil
Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can
2007-10-02
By Keith Kohl


Baltimore, MD--"There are two words that you will never hear again in the same sentence: ‘cheap' and ‘oil.'" I remember saying this more than seven months ago, as oil was trading above $60 a barrel.

But I should confess something. . .

I was completely wrong.

Before you jump the gun with jests and accusations, just hear me out for a minute (because I know many of you will feel the same way). You see, there's a chance I'll be sitting at my desk six months from now reminiscing about how oil used to be so much cheaper in the mid-$70s.

I know oil prices always fall during the winter. Believe me, I thought they'd already be heading lower.

That's not the case, though. I'll let last week's Energy Information Agency (EIA) petroleum report show you what I mean . . .

EIA Chart

For the last four weeks, crude oil spot prices rose significantly. Notice that last week's spot price was $23.59 more than the previous year.

quot;Well, maybe they're going to start heading down now?" you ask.

Possibly, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. In fact, oil prices are expected to rise above $85 a barrel before the end of 2007 and to over $100 a barrel next year.

It's not good enough for us just to hear somebody say that oil is going to rise. My thirteen-year-old niece could make that prediction. We want to know why we're in trouble.

And we seem to blame the wrong people, too. Just the other day, I was talking about gas prices with my neighbor when the record crude oil price of $83.90 a barrel came up. I was curious as to how he felt. "So what do you think is causing all this?"

"It's those damn big oil companies. Exxon and all them guys are ruining everything, trying to keep prices high to get more of our money," he said matter-of-factly.

Imagine his surprise when I told him that all the "big" oil companies like Exxon control less than 10% of the production. He gave me a curious stare when I mentioned peak oil to him. He had never even heard of it before.

"Well, that'll change soon, because it's going to be an issue as big as global warming within the next couple of years."

Here's the thing: The more we see how tight global supply and demand are getting, the more our minds focus on peak oil.

Peak oil, of course, is the point when global oil production peaks and begins to decline.

Here are the facts: Right now the world is producing roughly 85 million barrels per day (mmbbls/day). And producers are struggling to maintain production from depleting oil fields. My question is: What do you think will happen when we're still producing 85 mmbbls/day in the near future, but consuming 88 mmbbls/day?

Even if production doesn't steeply decline like the peak oil theory claims, but rather plateaus like the International Energy Agency (IEA) suggests, the gap between supply and demand will continue to widen. That'll lead to considerably higher oil prices, well in excess of $100 a barrel.

Not only is oil getting more expensive to extract, but we're also not seeing the same major discoveries we were decades ago. There are no more Ghawars out there, plain and simple.

I believe we'll easily see $90 oil before it drops below $70 a barrel, especially if the EIA's weekly oil report continues to show crude oil stocks dropping. U.S. stocks last week were about four million barrels less than last year.

Savor It Now While You Still Can

I told you I was wrong about oil never being cheap again.

The truth is that oil is incredibly cheap right now compared to what we'll see in the future--which raises the question, "What is the true price of oil?"

In 2002, we all would've agreed that $50 for a barrel of oil would be ridiculous, considering prices were $20 a barrel. A few years later, we would have said that $60 oil would never sustain itself, and prices would soon be back to $30. All of a sudden people are saying that $100 oil is within reason?

What's next?

When we're consuming 97 million barrels per day in 2015 (according to the optimistic EIA estimates) and production is still in its "plateau," will we think $300 for a barrel of oil is cheap?

Let's just enjoy $80 while we can.

Until next time,

Keith Kohl

http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/peak+oil-oil+prices-investing/524


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: trendal]
    #7489493 - 10/05/07 06:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

thats where hybrids come into play, every 10 years or so they will release a new technology to save you gas money, which encorges you to buy a new car every 10 years.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: trendal]
    #7489513 - 10/05/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Peak oil is a myth.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: trendal]
    #7489517 - 10/05/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Time for Bio-Diesel IMO.

HEMP FOR VICTORY!


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: bukkake]
    #7489519 - 10/05/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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bukkake said:
Peak oil is a myth.




So is ur mom?


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: Shroomism]
    #7489528 - 10/05/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My mom has very little to do with crude oil.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7489540 - 10/05/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
thats where hybrids come into play, every 10 years or so they will release a new technology to save you gas money, which encorges you to buy a new car every 10 years.



screw hybrids
http://www.teslamotors.com/


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: bukkake]
    #7489578 - 10/05/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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bukkake said:
Peak oil is a myth.




Are you implying that our oil production will rise indefinitely?


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: trendal]
    #7489593 - 10/05/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No, it'll go down someday. But right now they're price gouging. The fellow who originally thought up the peak oil theory was a Shell employee. Can't believe anything oil companies said then or now.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: bukkake]
    #7489603 - 10/05/07 07:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I bet you think the ceo of Exxon sets the price of oil :smirk:

Or a bunch of Arabs sitting around plotting how to line their pockets?


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: trendal]
    #7489614 - 10/05/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yes. I'm a conspiracy nut.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: bukkake]
    #7489643 - 10/05/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I certainly believe there will come a point when oil production peaks and consumption continues to increase.

But I think the free market will solve the problem.  Not painlessly but it will solve it.  Oil prices will go up slow enough that people will start buying more efficient devices (like hybrids) and then those efficient devices will come down in price due to the extra money for development.

The best thing that can happen, imo, is that gas/oil prices continue to rise... But that they rise relatively slowly and they rise predictably.  This will give both people and infrastructure time to change and incentive to change while minimizing the discomfort of consumers (in industrial and third world countries)

EDIT- and yes, I am enjoying the cheap oil.  :wexican:


Edited by Qubit (10/05/07 07:29 PM)


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: trendal]
    #7489646 - 10/05/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Man, the Pub is getting all heavy tonight. PNAC, peak oil...shit. I came here to escape all this. Next we'll be talking about how the Fed deliberately keeps millions of people unemployed to keep labor costs down, or how key people from Cisco Systems are employed by NSA to help tap into the backbones of teh interwebs.

Don't get me wrong, it's good that this stuff is reaching all corners of the net. I'm just all touchy about it, 'cause I'm ready to give up on this crazy planet, where the damned rule and the sensible people are all kept as far from power as possible. Flying monkeys lead my country. And the Wicked Witch is waiting in the wings.

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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: DieCommie]
    #7489652 - 10/05/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think the best thing that could happen is the Oil Industry collapses completely, overnight.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: Shroomism]
    #7489683 - 10/05/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm in agreeance with LucidDream. I'm so tired of oil issue #7824628, government failure #838237, unhappy people bitchfest #5683938.

The oil thing is not nearly as big of a deal as people make it out to be. Technology exists NOW that could replace it if it went sky high to quickly or depleted for good, regardless of the who or why that its mostly out of reach for the people at that time.

the prices of oil of COURSE are going to go up over time, especially with all the 'theory' about how its running out, how dependant we supposedly are on it, etc.

Hell, the price of my candy bars are going up to by massive amounts, but thats just inflation...


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: CosmicFool]
    #7489699 - 10/05/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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CosmicFool said:
Quote:

makaveli8x8 said:
thats where hybrids come into play, every 10 years or so they will release a new technology to save you gas money, which encorges you to buy a new car every 10 years.



screw hybrids
http://www.teslamotors.com/




holy shit, I want one.

too bad I ain't got $100k.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: Shroomism]
    #7489711 - 10/05/07 07:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I think the best thing that could happen is the Oil Industry collapses completely, overnight.




yeah, living in an urban warzone filled with looters and gangs would be fun.

I would all bust out onto the city streets with an MP5 and be like: BRRRRRRRATATATATATAT!

then I'd die.  looking back on my life as a spirit, I would be like: "Cool." :thumbup:


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: mndfreeze]
    #7489713 - 10/05/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Technology exists NOW that could replace it if it went sky high to quickly or depleted for good, regardless of the who or why that its mostly out of reach for the people at that time.




Nonsense.

Technology is not magic. Any new energy source must be dense, scalable, and readily available. Also the needed infrastructure for new energy sources must be in place. That includes replacing our entire transportation fleet.

You can bet that virtually nothing will be done to replace oil until it smacks us hard in the mouth. The political will simply doesn't exist. We are going to keep on doing what we are doing until we can't do it anymore. By then we will see massive economic disruption with the attendant social chaos. The last time we had an economic depression we had Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and da boys.

Enjoy the cheap oil; At current prices it comes out to about 9 cents a cup.

How much is a cup of coffee at Starbucks?


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7489734 - 10/05/07 07:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
thats where hybrids come into play,




keep in mind that oil is the root energy input of automobile manufacture as well, and that not only will pump prices go up, but all goods and services fueled by oil will too. personal motor vehicle travel is actually only a moderate slice of the pie amongst many others in terms of oil consumption. all facets of the agricultural industry are powered by it, from farming and harvesting equipment, food processing, transportation, and the chemical fertilizers and pestacides required for large scale farming. same goes for the livestock industry, which i believe accounts for one of the largest consumptions of oil. every calorie of food produced requires several calories of oil as an energy input, and every calorie of oil extracted from the earth becomes more costly as reserves fall beyond the half way point. the widening gap of decreased capacity to produce oil, and increasing demand will drive the price up until many aspects of our economy will be unable to function. from there, its anybodies guess what will happen...


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: zorbman]
    #7489748 - 10/05/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Guys, IMHO, we are not going to run out of oil anytime soon...I do well site services for drilling companies. Mudlogging in particular. And we have had more work here lately than ever. Now the market will keep up with demand. Not only is the supply of oil SURPASSING the demand, but we are still BUILDING RESERVES in the government. There is plenty of oil, the big oil companies like you to think there is a shortage or we are going to run out or something, but it won't happen anytime in the foreseeable future...They do this to keep the prices high, it doesn't bother me too much, but I also dont drive big ass SUV's with only me in the car. Not only that, if you really need a job, both oil companies and the guys that put up wind generators are hiring like crazy here in texas...im trying to get out of it and in a job that actually has to do with my field, but your almost guaranteed a job here if you have drilling or geology or general construction experience. I work there cause it pays good and its pretty fun, much better than being a roughneck or tool pusher...my dos pesos

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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: supra]
    #7489766 - 10/05/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

rumble of the diesel!


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: supra]
    #7489779 - 10/05/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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we have had more work here lately than ever.




That is actually more of a indicator of little to no spare capacity than not. If oil were not in great demand there would be more idle wells.

You should do some research on the rate of oil discovery globally in the last forty years. I would post a chart on that but I am not home right now. I assume you would concede that production follows discovery, correct? Well discovery has been dropping for the last few decades along with production while demand overtakes them.

Meanwhile global population is swelling as China and India industrialize and increase their insatiable appetite for oil. There is just no way in hell we can keep up with future demand without adequate discoveries to meet that demand.


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    #7489784 - 10/05/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i say we fuck oil, buy our own solar grid, work on making more effiecnet batteries, and run our entire lives off stored solar energy

did you know the sun supples ten times the globaly yearly energy demands in one day?

did you know if you utilized 1 percent of the worlds desserts for solar thermal energy (the kind that stores energy in liquified salt) you could double the needs of world energy?

and we are stuck on this goddamn dinosaur goo? ot "go juice" (see Movie Waterworld for reference)


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    #7489788 - 10/05/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

im severely wasted sorry for typos, grammatical errors, and the rest.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: supra]
    #7489791 - 10/05/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

THE SKY IS FALLING

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?


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    #7489821 - 10/05/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that Peak Oil is a myth. It's absolutely ridiculous to predict the peak and recession of oil production when we probably haven't even discovered 1% of what's available.

We have discovered somewhere around half the oil that is expected to be on the Earth. That's a lot more than 1% :wink:

The oil that is left is the harder to get at half, too. We used up all the easy to get at oil first, because it was easy to get to. The stuff that's left requires a substantial investment in energy, in one form or another, to get to it. That relationship is called EROEI - energy return on energy invested. At some point it takes more energy to extract the oil than you get out of the oil. At that point the oil becomes an energy sink, and it doesn't matter how much is in the ground...it won't help you.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: trendal]
    #7489846 - 10/05/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Absolutely. Oil will go sky high in a short while.

Oil consumption is increasing more and more each year. The oil becomes harder and harder to drill driving production costs up. Even if we can keep production at its current level, it will cost more and more to produce a barrel, and each of those barrels will be in higher demand.

Will we see $250 oil in 2015? I think that's a reasonable expectation.

To own cars like Hummers that guzzle gas at ten miles per gallon is inexcusable. There is no good reason whatsoever to waste resources like that. When you go somewhere, need you do that in a car that weighs 8.500 lbs? Hubris!

I'm also strongly AGAINST biodiesel and ethanol as it is produced nowadays. Biodiesel and ethanol are produced from grains and seeds, or in other words the edible part of the plants. Growing corn to make fuel in a world where a billion people are malnourished is ethically indefensible. At a slightly higher cost you can make your ethanol from the straw of the plant, and save the grain for food production. Today, world food prices already are rising BECAUSE of the fuel plants. Your bread and pasta is more expensive today because of the fuel plants. Food can't be made even more expensive on the world market because the rich want fuel. Ferment the chaff, not the grain.


As oil goes up, gold will go up also. Their ratio to one another varies, but overall the trend is on the rise. You can't buy oil but you can buy gold.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: moon_glue]
    #7489893 - 10/05/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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i say we fuck oil, buy our own solar grid, work on making more effiecnet batteries, and run our entire lives off stored solar energy

did you know the sun supples ten times the globaly yearly energy demands in one day?





The problem is most people don't realize how much our live DEPEND on oil. We could switch to solar/wind/water/nuclear/magic but oil will still lubricate the moving parts, and be used to make the plastic.

in fact you would have trouble finding one thing that doesn't rely on oil in some way.
food is grown w/ fertilizer made from oil,
oil/coal are used for elect.,
cars/planes/boats/trains ship products (all run on oil),
plastics are made from oil,
oil lubricates machines (like the ones that clean our drinking water)
roads are made from tar,
home are heated w/ oil,
and so on, this is just a quick list


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: CosmicFool]
    #7489917 - 10/05/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

in fact you would have trouble finding one thing that doesn't rely on oil in some way.

Take a look around you, right now, and count the number of things you have that have not come directly from oil. Go ahead and try...I did and the number was sorely lacking.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: trendal]
    #7489982 - 10/05/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Western governments are overly corrupt is the reason we have not nor attempted to ween off oil. Hybrids and solar panels are great, but the average person cannot afford them. I thought it was insulting when I read a global warming handout at my college suggesting I buy a hybrid. As if most college students have money laying around to buy one.

It is possible to survive without oil, but not without government leadership or desire to do so. Especially not when (where I live anyway) public transportation is very poor.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: Asante]
    #7489993 - 10/05/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Oil running out? Hardly the problem. Oil that is easily accessible and easy to process yes. The oil fields we now use contain enough oil that from 1 unit of energy we put in to extract it the approximate output is 35 units of energy. Oil that is mixed with sand, or in remote locations such as the North Western Territories of Canada takes more energy and money to extract, thus rising prices.

Oil really does turn our world no matter how you look at it. Cars, trucks, ships, planes, factories, agriculture, electricity use oil for fuel (energy) and for ingredients (plastics). Everything, even synthetic oils use conventional oil in the production whether its from the lubricant for the processors or the fuel for trucks or tanker ships bringing it to stores or distributors. There is no such thing as a free, renewable energy. Solar panels and windmills all require extensive use of equipment that uses oil. New technology is coming along, such as more effiecent solar panels and new "flying" windmills but not with nearly enough sense or urgency or money. We need to start producing green manufacturing plants, as that is the start of this cycle that is literally digging our grave.

Bio-fuel is a lie and set for failure on a mass scale if put into mass production. Yes, it "can" help to easy the burden of demand, but it can't hold the world on its own. The US simply does not have enough fertile land to feed the people and produce bio-fuels. Not to mention the world food shortage that is already present in poorer countries or even industrialized nations like China (cardboard as a filler in foods). Another problem we are faced with is the changing environment in our country, more droughts in once fertile land and more flooding in areas not used to major storms. The result, our system set in place starts to crumble, farms will have to be moved or abandoned and land will disappear just as it did in the Great Depression. Both bio-fuel and food production rely heavily on petroleum based pesticides and products to meet demands.

Many of these issues can be solved, but the biggest problem is one that the majority of people focus their lives on. Money. Who is going to pay to build new windmills, intergrate crop rotation into the current agriculture industry, and creating cleaner, more effeicent manufacturing plants? Until someone can answer this question and people start agreeing on a dedicated course of action we as a society will continue is this downward spiral. The increasing demand, rising prices, and shrinking supplies spell doom for our culture as we know.

My advice to anyone who can is search for a safe place to build a self substainable home and farm. Thats my plan for life at least to survive the tough coming times we face in the next 10-30 years.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: denots87]
    #7490005 - 10/05/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Correct me if I am mistaken... but couldn't hemp replace all the uses for oil a hundred times over as a renewable resource? Not only as a fuel.. but also as food, textiles, medicine, plastics.. etc


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: Shroomism]
    #7490008 - 10/05/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Correct me if I am mistaken... but couldn't hemp replace all the uses for oil a hundred times over as a renewable resource? Not only as a fuel.. but also as food, textiles, medicine, plastics.. etc




exactly why it is illegal


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: meatcakeman]
    #7490014 - 10/05/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah.... stupid Dupont


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: Shroomism]
    #7490061 - 10/05/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Correct me if I am mistaken... but couldn't hemp replace all the uses for oil a hundred times over as a renewable resource? Not only as a fuel.. but also as food, textiles, medicine, plastics.. etc


Definitely mistaken. If we replaced all the farmland in america with hemp we couldnt displace a fraction of our oil usage, let alone 100 times over. Not to mention all of that other stuff. Drug propaganda works both ways...


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: denots87]
    #7490241 - 10/06/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The oil fields we now use contain enough oil that from 1 unit of energy we put in to extract it the approximate output is 35 units of energy.




I'd be interested in where you got that number. From what I've heard the ratio is more like 1:1.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: zorbman]
    #7490280 - 10/06/07 01:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'll keep sayin it till someone disproves it. Zero Point Energy will cure all of this in a day. If only we had more scientist's discussing this we would have alot of change rather than being stuck in the sewer with these stupid bio-fuel's and destructive silicon plate's of stupidity.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7490339 - 10/06/07 02:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If.

If.

If.

If we had wings we could fly..

Until some genius steps up we are stuck with what we have.
Technology is not magic in spite of what you've heard.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: DieCommie]
    #7490442 - 10/06/07 03:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Correct me if I am mistaken... but couldn't hemp replace all the uses for oil a hundred times over as a renewable resource? Not only as a fuel.. but also as food, textiles, medicine, plastics.. etc


Definitely mistaken. If we replaced all the farmland in America with hemp we couldn't displace a fraction of our oil usage, let alone 100 times over. Not to mention all of that other stuff. Drug propaganda works both ways...




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http://www.hemp4fuel.com/hughdowns.html -
Hemp (marijuana) could replace most oil and energy needs, and could revolutionize the textile industry and stop foreign dependency on oil imports. And it could significantly reduce or eliminate the negative ecological impacts of these polluting industries.




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http://www.jackherer.com/chapter02.html -
Then there is only one known annual renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world's paper and textiles; meeting all of the world's transportation, industrial and home energy needs; simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil, and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time...

And that substance is - the same one that did it all before -

Cannabis Hemp...Marijuana!




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Hemp is the only plant capable of becoming the American biomass energy standard. Hemp grows well everywhere on earth except the polar regions. Hemp will out produce wood at a rate greater than four to one per acre in cellulose/pulp. And by analyzing pre-prohibition hemp crop reports from various States, ten tons per acre becomes a reasonable biomass production figure. Hemp will make ten times more biomass per acre than forest wood. Hemp can be grown for: crude biomass fuels on energy farms; fiber/hurds for textiles, pressed board and hurd cellulose products; seed for oil and high protein foods; flowers for pharmaceutical grade extract medicine and recreational herbal products for adults.




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http://www.digitalhemp.com/hemp/html/emp/09/ech09_02.htm -
Farming only 6% of the continental U.S. with biomass would provide all of America’s oil and gas energy needs, thus ending our dependence on fossil fuels. Hemp is the number one net biomass source on Earth: capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months.


- This one has been quoted a lot.


There is a reason hemp was the number one cash crop in the world prior to prohibition. Hemp proponents claim there are over 20,000 commercial uses for hemp; including but not limited to: Fuel, Food (one of the single most nutritious things on the planet for humans), Textiles, Medicine, Paint, Plastics, Construction Lumber, Insulation, etc. It is easily one of the most efficacious plants on Earth. Has among the lowest impact on the soil of most farmed plants, requires zero pesticides, a full crop cycle takes only 3 months and has a higher cellulose content than just about anything we know.

... So are you saying that is all bullshit? And that I should just take your word on that....?


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: Shroomism]
    #7491110 - 10/06/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: DieCommie]
    #7491474 - 10/06/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I believe I read the quote from either http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ or Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared Diamond. If our oil ratio of energy put in was 1 unit to 1 unit extracted then oil processing facilites would only have enough fuel/energy to keep them running and nothing to fuel our cars, planes or ships.

Right now the oil that is in concentrated pockets mixed with water or in porous rock is easy to extract and process. Yet oil mixed in sand is obviously harder to separate taking more energy (and more money) making it more expensive. As I said we are not going to run out oil, it will just become harder to extract as easy sources such as the Gulf are depleted causing prices to sky rocket over time.


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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: Shroomism]
    #7491564 - 10/06/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Time for Bio-Diesel IMO.

HEMP FOR VICTORY!




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Re: Enjoy the Cheap Oil While You Still Can [Re: DNKYD]
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