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jonnyjonjonjon
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Cause of bad trips
#7488629 - 10/05/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What conclusions have you all came to from experience about the cause of bad trips? I think I might know the real underlying cause of bad trips. Although I haven't had half as many bad trips as good ones I've definitely had a shitload of them. Alot of people say its purely to do with set, setting and state of mind but my experience contradicts this. Maybe my state of mind wasn't perfect but the last few bad trips I've had the set and setting couldn't have been better. I was out in a country house with my brother and friend and we had the whole house to ourselves, didn't have to worry about making noise, had a near endless supply of booze and weed, had a boat on the lake, had music, a projector with a big screen and a DVD player with all sorts of mad deep sea documentaries. There was even 3 hammocks. One for each of us.
For some weird reason despite the fact all the conditions were perfect my first 2 trips there were real bad. It was like hell. There was nothing on my mind at the time that bothered me before the trip but while I was tripping I felt like complete shit and I had all these dark thoughts of doom going through my head. Like alot of bad trips I've had I couldn't even remember the good trips I've had in my life and I kept thinking that I've felt like shit my whole life and theres no way out of feeling like shit. My body felt good but something else felt really bad in me. It wasn't regular emotions it felt like something else. I kept thinking that everybody in the world was living hell like I was at the time but they were all denying it to themselves. I couldn't remember what its like to feel good.
This usually went on for 3 hours then with a single thought I managed to switch to a good trip and that lasted till the shrooms wore off then I was left feeling refreshed and way better than I usually feel.
Every trip I had after the second bad trip were abnormally good ones. Although I had some short periods of mind struggles they were 90% good trips. After that I remembered how it was the year before when I was taking shrooms. After about 10 bad trips and borderline bad trips it was as if I'd became immune to bad trips. I had a clear memory of everything that triggered the bad trips in the past and they couldnt trigger bad trips anymore. It was like I learned so much bad trips had no meaning anymore so they ceased to happen. Mentally I was too tough to suffer anymore.
This brings me to a conclusion. I think bad trips might be just built up bad thoughts that we've been suppressing and avoiding dealing with them. All these negative thoughts and problems build up when you don't think about them and deal with them and when you take shrooms they're all released so if you have alot of them your flooded with them and thats what we call bad trips. Everything you didn't want to face in the past your now forced to face under the influence of psilocybin. Thats why your always left feeling refreshed and ten times happier than normal at the end of the trip.
I think people that hardly ever have bad trips have very little psychological problems to be dealt with. It gets intense but I think shrooms allow you to deal with years of psychological problems and negative thoughts in the space of a few hours. I managed to clear up a years worth of suppressed negative thoughts in 2 mushroom trips. Last year I cleared up a whole lifetime of negative thoughts in about 10 mushroom trips so I was left immune to bad trips mainly because I had no more issues to resolve.
I've always said shrooms is the best psychologist you can ever have. Taking shrooms is chemically induced psychotherapy. I believe you can sort out more problems in one mushroom trip than you can in years of going to a psychologist.
Everyone I know thats done alot of psychedelics says the same thing.
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Edited by jonnyjonjonjon (10/05/07 02:17 PM)
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jonnyjonjonjon said: I've always said shrooms is the best psychologist you can ever have. Taking shrooms is chemically induced psychotherapy. I believe you can sort out more problems in one mushroom trip than you can in years of going to a psychologist.
Everyone I know thats done alot of psychedelics says the same thing.
and I agree with you 100%. I have helped myself more from shrooms and weed than everything else. I also agree that your bad thoughts can be suppressed and then released during a journey. I do feel however that if you are strong-minded enough, that you can control your moods and emotions through meditation and self exploration. This also applies to tripping and making a good trip for yourself. having a clear conscience is immensely important as well.
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The people I know who had the strongest minds (not neccesarisly the least problems in their life) before they ever started tripping have had little to no bad trips, such as myself. I've tripped around a hundred or so times and have had some not so good trips but nothing I'd consider "bad". I do drugs to get "fucked up" as do most of my tripper friends, there is no meditation involved or spiritualness to it.
I do agree that set and setting don't usually play much of a factor most of the time though. One of the only times I really had to get out of where I was was when I ended up at this party I wasn't planning on being at while on a few hits and language started to dissolve its meaning to me so I couldn't understand what people were saying to me, it all sounded like gibberish so I quickly wandered out of there and left the party.
In my experiences people that do drugs to fit in/look cool, women (I'm not sexist I'm just calling it how I see it), people who try to control the trip, and the kind of people that are the life of the party who always have something to say and are generally the centre of attention are usually the ones to get bad trips.
Hmm, now that I look back on my list and think about it it seems like the biggest egos have a more bad trips. I guess the bigger they are the harder they fall applies to egos as well.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: ColdCash]
#7488791 - 10/05/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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93 Humans are mummified by imprinting and conditioning. Most people feel comfortable in this cocoon, while others beg to get out but lack the will or method to do so. Psychedelic and dissociative drugs have the ability to unravel the bandages. Like ripping a bandage from haired skin, there is pain associated with this. Therefore, there are 3 ways to go about a trip: 1. I do'nt care, I'm going through this if it hurts or not. Rip. That did'nt hurt at all. Horus 2. This might hurt, I need to get through this. Rip. Ouch. What now? Osiris 3. This is going to hurt. Lift up the bandage. Ouch. Put back down without taking completely off. It can stay on after all. Sully. Isis 93 93/93
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i don't understand what a bad trip is.
for me a trip is a trip.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: A0999]
#7488875 - 10/05/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think that mushrooms seem to heighten your mind/body alarm system as well as completely deinhibit emotions. I've never had a true 'bad trip' all the way through but most of my mushroom trips start with terror, become beautiful and end with confusion and haziness.
If the rapid onset and nervous alarm didn't hit me so hard I'd probobly do alot better with mushrooms, as I can with other psychedelics.
I have also discovered if I do mushrooms too much they start to fuck with me because it's like I've already recieved all they have to give me and are pissed that I've come back to more. Empty handed trips, where all your insights are things you have already though are the worst.
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A bad trip is one that ends in arrest.. other than that, if you make it thru without suicide, or arrest, it was a good trip..
This "Bad Trip" think is one that ERKS the shit out of me.. LSD is a chemical that acts on serotonin receptors in the bran and activates many parts of the brain at one VERY FASY. Slowing time is perception cause by these effects.
The "thoughts" that go thru your mind during a trip are not always controllable, sometimes they arn't even REAL thoughts, just pseudo thoughts evvoked by the activation of neurons that store memories.
OFTEN when these neurons fire the "Controlled" part of our brain seeks to make sense of it all and we end up with visions and hallucinations etc..
a BAD trip is a non existent thing.. there are pleasurable trips and stressful trips and even trips that evoke fear.. but LSD is not about being comfortable, its about EXPERIENCES.. and i will argue with anyone that takes it for the effect alone.. if you DO taker it for the effect and end up having an experience instead, you might call it a bad trip.. if you like the effect and dont want the experience, find another drug...
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: Slimz]
#7489364 - 10/05/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some people don't like the effects that the drug has on them. Mushrooms cause me to have trips that are uncomfortable and confusing. This is how it always affects me. This is the only kind of trip I know and I call it bad because I don't like it.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: TODAY]
#7489379 - 10/05/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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well thats fine that you call it bad when its the effects i guess. like my puking lsa experience.. but its when peole call the minf fuck bad.. HELLO! thats why you took it... THATS what it does..
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: TODAY]
#7489384 - 10/05/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think a bad trip is caused by one getting caught off guard by the power of the dose. Thats how it's been for me. I start coming up extremely fast and I have no time to think about what's happening to me. Being confused and dissoriented is all it takes for a trip to go bad.
On a different note, I dont think everyone here gets what a bad trip is. Normally when I trip shrooms I have positive emotions and am able to gain or learn something from the experience. If I have a bad trip Im just confused the whole time (thinking in thought loops thinking in thought loops) and the only thing I take away from the experience is to not eat as much next time.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: Slimz]
#7489453 - 10/05/07 06:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Slimz said: but its when peole call the minf fuck bad.. HELLO! thats why you took it... THATS what it does..
So true. It took me many trips to figure this out. I always thought I'd be able to handle it better or that the mindfuck would be more enjoyable the next time I took them. It never got more enjoyable so I stopped eating them.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: TODAY]
#7489464 - 10/05/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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TODAY said: Mushrooms cause me to have trips that are uncomfortable and confusing.
me too, but thats just how mushrooms are. its a normal trip, not a bad trip. just dont take shrooms, like me.
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jonnyjonjonjon said: What conclusions have you all came to from experience about the cause of bad trips?
Its kind of like the kensington scale...... Influenced by experience and maturity. Augmented by dosage And influenced by environment.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: Fraggin]
#7711342 - 12/03/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I thought everyone knows what a bad trip is. The easiest way to tell is the good ones you never want them to end and your disappointed when they wear off because your back to plain old reality. The bad ones all you can think about is sobering up and its a huge relief when it wears off because you survived the hell you were just in.
Maybe its as simple as the shrooms strengtening your mind enough that you gain the ability to steer trips. I know a few people that are afraid of shrooms because they say they had bad experiences with them and when I ask them how many times they've done them none of them have done shrooms more than 5 times in their life.
In my opinion thats their problem. When things get rough they just give up. Replying to what someone said about uncomfortable trips. Thats not how shrooms are. Sometimes they make me so comfortable just moving my muscles feels orgasmic and everythings 50 times funnier and thinking about the simplest things is a million times more interesting.
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Ive tripped on various things more times then I can count and have never had a bad trip. I just cant see what could be bad about a trip.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: F1234K]
#7711569 - 12/03/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats weird. Bad as in you feel like shit the whole trip.
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for those of you that don't know what a bad trip is. let me give you a clue. calculate the amount of shrooms it takes you to really get off and then quadruple it. then let us know if you still haven't had any bad trips. cheers.
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The cause of bad trips is getting mentally stuck within the ego's game, when your tripping you should be willing top let go of everything, people try to hold onto control, this causes a fight with the psycho active chemical, and you want it to stop instead of going with the flow.
Sometimes you see sides of yourself you need to see because youve been ignoring them, the shroomz show you every side of yourself.
You should read The psychedelic experience based on the tibeten book of the dead, it is the ultimate preparation for a trip, im going to read it 3 times this week and trip on saturday.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: Chronic7]
#7711838 - 12/03/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The cause of my bad trips are epiphanies about the human conscious. These realizations are extremely depressing and continue usually till I am able to fall asleep. My last bad trip was saturday night, and my brain was going absolutely crazy. I felt like it wouldn't end until I was dead. It ended after I slept, but I had a terrible headache the entire next day.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: impeachme2]
#7711888 - 12/03/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anxiety causes a bad trip...
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: impeachme2]
#7711890 - 12/03/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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wow having an epiphiany and being dperessed by it must suck, when the human condition gets me down i try and think about evolution and how we'll be looking back on the human race in a million years time and laugh about how silly we all were, i hope one day we evolve into beings who have no fear of one another and so dont need ot be governed by laws.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: Chronic7]
#7712038 - 12/03/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Chronic thats the best explanation I've heard yet. That would definitely explain my bad trips. When I started taking shrooms I always felt super human and had the balls to do all sorts of shit I would never do sober. I started trying to replicate that superhuman feeling and bring it on myself every now and again when I was planning to do something mad on shrooms and I usually had disasterous results. It was my ego that wanted to feel superhuman again.
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Man, amen to those who have truly never had a "bad" trip and have a hard time understanding them! But bad trips are real, you have heard of them right? Well that's because they do exist, just not for everyone.
Bad trips can be, and generally are, overwhelming. Typically terrifying, hence they are "bad."
I think there is a relationship between experience and bad trips. Experienced trippers are better adapted to understanding the nature of bad trips and steering their minds away from them, pulling themselves away from the spiral rather than getting sucked into it.
That's just my 2 cents, i'm sure there's a lot of opinions around this topic. But I agree with the author of this thread that once you've confronted your built up issues, that maybe you've avoided or suppressed, you're less likely to have "bad" trips.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: Chronic7]
#7714391 - 12/04/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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In my limited experience, my last shroom trip was a bad one. I got very agitated as it unearthed some memories and feelings that were unresolved and made me confront these. Right after the trip, I initially concluded that it was just a bad batch of shrooms but my friend had some from the same bactch and had a great time. Only then, when I started to analyze what happened, that I figured out what actually took place.
Obviously I have some issues that I need to resolve that's causing my anxieties and so I'm looking forward to my next appointment with the shrink. I totally agree with those who said you learn a lot more from bad trips.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: Xeluc]
#7803786 - 12/27/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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jonnyjonjonjon said: I've always said shrooms is the best psychologist you can ever have. Taking shrooms is chemically induced psychotherapy. I believe you can sort out more problems in one mushroom trip than you can in years of going to a psychologist.
Everyone I know thats done alot of psychedelics says the same thing.
and I agree with you 100%. I have helped myself more from shrooms and weed than everything else. I also agree that your bad thoughts can be suppressed and then released during a journey. I do feel however that if you are strong-minded enough, that you can control your moods and emotions through meditation and self exploration. This also applies to tripping and making a good trip for yourself. having a clear conscience is immensely important as well.
i thought thats what some people took lsd for.. the feeling of clensing there body of all their so called 'sins' bad thoughts.. say like if they were realy upset about something.. taking some lsd would put them on a bad trip but it was like they liked it, for the feeling after of being so refreshed and happy..
or am i just wrong??
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: A0999]
#7804027 - 12/27/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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A0999 said: i don't understand what a bad trip is.
for me a trip is a trip.
I agree, there is no such thing as a bad trip.
Everything is an experience, it is all up to the user how he/she wishes to react.
Sure I've been uncomfortable many of times inside my own head, some would call that a bad trip, it is just tripping. You take the drug knowing whats going to happen, if you can't realize your on a drug and have a bad trip, thats your fault. ANY negative thoughts can be overcome by those of happiness.
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ColdCash said: The people I know who had the strongest minds (not neccesarisly the least problems in their life) before they ever started tripping have had little to no bad trips, such as myself.
I feel the opposite about this. I think it's easier for stupid people to have a good time while tripping because it's much easier for them to let go. I consider myself a smart person, and when I started tripping it was hard for me to deal with the lack of control I had over my normally very precise thoughts.
But I think Slimz said it perfectly, many of my 'bad' trips I now look back on with increadible nostalgia. If I only want to have fun on psychedelics, I now take a small dose. If I want "the psychedelic experience" i take a real dose.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: g00ru]
#7805294 - 12/27/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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bad trips stop existing when you stop qualifying your trips. just let it over come you. once you get to that stage, trips can only be measured in levels of:
"oh shit"-ness and
"wtf, i have never witnessed this before, but now i am, and there is nothing i can do except experience it, sounds good, strap me in, i am ready"-ness.
i know it's easier said than done, but it's so damned true.
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: g00ru]
#7805301 - 12/27/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ColdCash said: The people I know who had the strongest minds (not neccesarisly the least problems in their life) before they ever started tripping have had little to no bad trips, such as myself.
I consider myself a smart person, and when I started tripping it was hard for me to deal with the lack of control I had over my normally very precise thoughts.
your ego got in the way! but the mushies did a good job of reminding you to shake it off for a while
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i have tripped over 100 times off diff things like lsd lsa dmt 2c-e 2c-b doi dob salvia and shrooms. and i've nevr had a bad trip untill this year. i've taking shrooms about 30 times my whole life all with amazing results, this year i grew a few batches of my own i used B+ strain and did everything perfect i had no contamination on any of my brf cakes and the fruits came up healthy and strong, i've taken them twice now both times were extremely bad trips! it felt like i was in a nightmare. no matter what i told myself i could not make it stop,or slip out of it untill they wore off completely. it's almost made me afraid to take shrooms again. i've tried to figure out what went wrong could it be the strain B+? i've heard theories that indoor shrooms have bad vibes and you should only take natural shrooms which is all i've ever done b4 this. any theories? i'd love to hear what others think
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