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Offlinejonnyjonjonjon
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Cause of bad trips
    #7488629 - 10/05/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What conclusions have you all came to from experience about the cause of bad trips? I think I might know the real underlying cause of bad trips. Although I haven't had half as many bad trips as good ones I've definitely had a shitload of them.

Alot of people say its purely to do with set, setting and state of mind but my experience contradicts this. Maybe my state of mind wasn't perfect but the last few bad trips I've had the set and setting couldn't have been better. I was out in a country house with my brother and friend and we had the whole house to ourselves, didn't have to worry about making noise, had a near endless supply of booze and weed, had a boat on the lake, had music, a projector with a big screen and a DVD player with all sorts of mad deep sea documentaries. There was even 3 hammocks. One for each of us.

For some weird reason despite the fact all the conditions were perfect my first 2 trips there were real bad. It was like hell. There was nothing on my mind at the time that bothered me before the trip but while I was tripping I felt like complete shit and I had all these dark thoughts of doom going through my head. Like alot of bad trips I've had I couldn't even remember the good trips I've had in my life and I kept thinking that I've felt like shit my whole life and theres no way out of feeling like shit. My body felt good but something else felt really bad in me. It wasn't regular emotions it felt like something else. I kept thinking that everybody in the world was living hell like I was at the time but they were all denying it to themselves. I couldn't remember what its like to feel good.

This usually went on for 3 hours then with a single thought I managed to switch to a good trip and that lasted till the shrooms wore off then I was left feeling refreshed and way better than I usually feel.

Every trip I had after the second bad trip were abnormally good ones. Although I had some short periods of mind struggles they were 90% good trips. After that I remembered how it was the year before when I was taking shrooms. After about 10 bad trips and borderline bad trips it was as if I'd became immune to bad trips. I had a clear memory of everything that triggered the bad trips in the past and they couldnt trigger bad trips anymore. It was like I learned so much bad trips had no meaning anymore so they ceased to happen. Mentally I was too tough to suffer anymore.

This brings me to a conclusion. I think bad trips might be just built up bad thoughts that we've been suppressing and avoiding dealing with them. All these negative thoughts and problems build up when you don't think about them and deal with them and when you take shrooms they're all released so if you have alot of them your flooded with them and thats what we call bad trips. Everything you didn't want to face in the past your now forced to face under the influence of psilocybin. Thats why your always left feeling refreshed and ten times happier than normal at the end of the trip.

I think people that hardly ever have bad trips have very little psychological problems to be dealt with. It gets intense but I think shrooms allow you to deal with years of psychological problems and negative thoughts in the space of a few hours. I managed to clear up a years worth of suppressed negative thoughts in 2 mushroom trips. Last year I cleared up a whole lifetime of negative thoughts in about 10 mushroom trips so I was left immune to bad trips mainly because I had no more issues to resolve.

I've always said shrooms is the best psychologist you can ever have. Taking shrooms is chemically induced psychotherapy. I believe you can sort out more problems in one mushroom trip than you can in years of going to a psychologist.

Everyone I know thats done alot of psychedelics says the same thing.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #7488663 - 10/05/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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jonnyjonjonjon said:
I've always said shrooms is the best psychologist you can ever have. Taking shrooms is chemically induced psychotherapy. I believe you can sort out more problems in one mushroom trip than you can in years of going to a psychologist.

Everyone I know thats done alot of psychedelics says the same thing.



and I agree with you 100%. I have helped myself more from shrooms and weed than everything else. I also agree that your bad thoughts can be suppressed and then released during a journey.
I do feel however that if you are strong-minded enough, that you can control your moods and emotions through meditation and self exploration. This also applies to tripping and making a good trip for yourself. having a clear conscience is immensely important as well.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #7488730 - 10/05/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The people I know who had the strongest minds (not neccesarisly the least problems in their life) before they ever started tripping have had little to no bad trips, such as myself. I've tripped around a hundred or so times and have had some not so good trips but nothing I'd consider "bad". I do drugs to get "fucked up" as do most of my tripper friends, there is no meditation involved or spiritualness to it.

I do agree that set and setting don't usually play much of a factor most of the time though. One of the only times I really had to get out of where I was was when I ended up at this party I wasn't planning on being at while on a few hits and language started to dissolve its meaning to me so I couldn't understand what people were saying to me, it all sounded like gibberish so I quickly wandered out of there and left the party.

In my experiences people that do drugs to fit in/look cool, women (I'm not sexist I'm just calling it how I see it), people who try to control the trip, and the kind of people that are the life of the party who always have something to say and are generally the centre of attention are usually the ones to get bad trips.

Hmm, now that I look back on my list and think about it it seems like the biggest egos have a more bad trips. I guess the bigger they are the harder they fall applies to egos as well.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: ColdCash]
    #7488791 - 10/05/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Humans are mummified by imprinting and conditioning. Most people feel comfortable in this cocoon, while others beg to get out but lack the will or method to do so. Psychedelic and dissociative drugs have the ability to unravel the bandages. Like ripping a bandage from haired skin, there is pain associated with this. Therefore, there are 3 ways to go about a trip:
1. I do'nt care, I'm going through this if it hurts or not. Rip. That did'nt hurt at all. Horus
2. This might hurt, I need to get through this. Rip. Ouch. What now? Osiris
3. This is going to hurt. Lift up the bandage. Ouch. Put back down without taking completely off. It can stay on after all. Sully. Isis
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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #7488813 - 10/05/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i don't understand what a bad trip is.

for me a trip is a trip.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: A0999]
    #7488875 - 10/05/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think that mushrooms seem to heighten your mind/body alarm system as well as completely deinhibit emotions. I've never had a true 'bad trip' all the way through but most of my mushroom trips start with terror, become beautiful and end with confusion and haziness.

If the rapid onset and nervous alarm didn't hit me so hard I'd probobly do alot better with mushrooms, as I can with other psychedelics.

I have also discovered if I do mushrooms too much they start to fuck with me because it's like I've already recieved all they have to give me and are pissed that I've come back to more. Empty handed trips, where all your insights are things you have already though are the worst.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7489341 - 10/05/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A bad trip is one that ends in arrest.. other than that, if you make it thru without suicide, or arrest, it was a good trip..

This "Bad Trip" think is one that ERKS the shit out of me.. LSD is a chemical that acts on serotonin receptors in the bran and activates many parts of the brain at one VERY FASY. Slowing time is perception cause by these effects.

The "thoughts" that go thru your mind during a trip are not always controllable, sometimes they arn't even REAL thoughts, just pseudo thoughts evvoked by the activation of neurons that store memories.

OFTEN when these neurons fire the "Controlled" part of our brain seeks to make sense of it all and we end up with visions and hallucinations etc..

a BAD trip is a non existent thing.. there are pleasurable trips and stressful trips and even trips that evoke fear.. but LSD is not about being comfortable, its about EXPERIENCES.. and i will argue with anyone that takes it for the effect alone.. if you DO taker it for the effect and end up having an experience instead, you might call it a bad trip.. if you like the effect and dont want the experience, find another drug...


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: Slimz]
    #7489364 - 10/05/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Some people don't like the effects that the drug has on them. Mushrooms cause me to have trips that are uncomfortable and confusing. This is how it always affects me. This is the only kind of trip I know and I call it bad because I don't like it.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: TODAY]
    #7489379 - 10/05/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well thats fine that you call it bad when its the effects i guess. like my puking lsa experience.. but its when peole call the minf fuck bad.. HELLO! thats why you took it... THATS what it does..


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: TODAY]
    #7489384 - 10/05/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think a bad trip is caused by one getting caught off guard by the power of the dose. Thats how it's been for me. I start coming up extremely fast and I have no time to think about what's happening to me. Being confused and dissoriented is all it takes for a trip to go bad.

On a different note, I dont think everyone here gets what a bad trip is. Normally when I trip shrooms I have positive emotions and am able to gain or learn something from the experience. If I have a bad trip Im just confused the whole time (thinking in thought loops thinking in thought loops) and the only thing I take away from the experience is to not eat as much next time.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: Slimz]
    #7489453 - 10/05/07 06:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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but its when peole call the minf fuck bad.. HELLO! thats why you took it... THATS what it does..




So true. It took me many trips to figure this out. I always thought I'd be able to handle it better or that the mindfuck would be more enjoyable the next time I took them. It never got more enjoyable so I stopped eating them.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: TODAY]
    #7489464 - 10/05/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Mushrooms cause me to have trips that are uncomfortable and confusing.





me too, but thats just how mushrooms are. its a normal trip, not a bad trip. just dont take shrooms, like me.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #7489468 - 10/05/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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What conclusions have you all came to from experience about the cause of bad trips?




Its kind of like the kensington scale......
Influenced by experience and maturity.
Augmented by dosage
And influenced by environment.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: Fraggin]
    #7711342 - 12/03/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I thought everyone knows what a bad trip is. The easiest way to tell is the good ones you never want them to end and your disappointed when they wear off because your back to plain old reality. The bad ones all you can think about is sobering up and its a huge relief when it wears off because you survived the hell you were just in.

Maybe its as simple as the shrooms strengtening your mind enough that you gain the ability to steer trips. I know a few people that are afraid of shrooms because they say they had bad experiences with them and when I ask them how many times they've done them none of them have done shrooms more than 5 times in their life.

In my opinion thats their problem. When things get rough they just give up. Replying to what someone said about uncomfortable trips. Thats not how shrooms are. Sometimes they make me so comfortable just moving my muscles feels orgasmic and everythings 50 times funnier and thinking about the simplest things is a million times more interesting.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #7711451 - 12/03/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ive tripped on various things more times then I can count and have never had a bad trip. I just cant see what could be bad about a trip.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: F1234K]
    #7711569 - 12/03/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thats weird. Bad as in you feel like shit the whole trip.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #7711744 - 12/03/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

for those of you that don't know what a bad trip is. let me give you a clue. calculate the amount of shrooms it takes you to really get off and then quadruple it. then let us know if you still haven't had any bad trips. cheers.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #7711754 - 12/03/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The cause of bad trips is getting mentally stuck within the ego's game, when your tripping you should be willing top let go of everything, people try to hold onto control, this causes a fight with the psycho active chemical, and you want it to stop instead of going with the flow.

Sometimes you see sides of yourself you need to see because youve been ignoring them, the shroomz show you every side of yourself.

You should read The psychedelic experience based on the tibeten book of the dead, it is the ultimate preparation for a trip, im going to read it 3 times this week and trip on saturday.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: Chronic7]
    #7711838 - 12/03/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The cause of my bad trips are epiphanies about the human conscious. These realizations are extremely depressing and continue usually till I am able to fall asleep. My last bad trip was saturday night, and my brain was going absolutely crazy. I felt like it wouldn't end until I was dead. It ended after I slept, but I had a terrible headache the entire next day.


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Re: Cause of bad trips [Re: impeachme2]
    #7711888 - 12/03/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Anxiety causes a bad trip...


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