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DigitalNomad
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: futurewolf42o]
#7488778 - 10/05/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Technically it's libel. It's a written medium.
Just want to make sure you're not passing on any misinformation there.
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: futurewolf42o]
#7488780 - 10/05/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Personal issues, how childish...I can here the goose stepping boots now...
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futurewolf42o
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7488782 - 10/05/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: Personal issues, how childish...I can here the goose stepping boots now...
i repeat. wrong forum.
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Asante
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: DigitalNomad]
#7488789 - 10/05/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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someone called you out for suggesting standing water in a fruiting chamber
I don't know about the incident but..
I have had great success with fruiting PF cakes standing dry on small dishes in a storage box with a layer of water in it, as a means to keep humidity up. My yields were as high as standard PF cakes can get without rehydrating them. (which I didn't know about back then in the 1990s)
For PF cakes, a layer of water in the bottom of a fruit room as a means of hydration can be all it takes. Sure, it can be optimized and is contam-prone, but I never had any trouble with it back then.
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futurewolf42o
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: DigitalNomad]
#7488792 - 10/05/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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lmao. i concede!
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: futurewolf42o]
#7488806 - 10/05/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm goose stepping out like hitler....
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Asante]
#7488811 - 10/05/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right on, thanks, standing water can get you to 100% RH with little FAE, in a small enough bin, with condensation on your caps, not that you want that, but if the ratio of surface water is high relative to the fruiting tray, humidity is not an issue ever.
Also, there is no easier way than to pour isopropyl or peroxide in the water to keep it clean. How do you get a cleaning agent on perlite?
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7488820 - 10/05/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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h202 in perlite works wellQuote:
Captain Cubensis said: How do you get a cleaning agent on perlite?
h202 in perlite worked well the time i grew cakes in a pmp.
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: futurewolf42o]
#7488847 - 10/05/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, yes H2O2 works as well on lung disease causing perlite, and you have to dump tons of it on the perlite and stir it around to get H2O2 in all those famous crevices of the wonderful silicosis causing perlite.
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7488862 - 10/05/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: Well, yes H2O2 works as well on lung disease causing perlite, and you have to dump tons of it on the perlite and stir it around to get H2O2 in all those famous crevices of the wonderful silicosis causing perlite.
wear a dust mask when dealing with dry perlite. when it's wet its generally not easily inhaled. many many people have had great success with h202 in their perlite.
distilled water is also good.
if you dont want to use perlite. use lava rock. ect. ect.
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: futurewolf42o]
#7488877 - 10/05/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I want to apologize because I believe that I am to blame for this thread getting started...I am the one that said Captain Cubensis had some misinformation.
But, first things first... Captain Cubensis, I am sorry if I hurt your feelings or made you mad! That wasn't my intentions. I never try to be rude to members on here. I also said in that post, that I'm not trying to be a prick.... At the time you made that post, you only had 29 posts and had been a member for about two weeks. I admit, maybe one shouldn't use that as an indicator or for a way to judge someone, but many times I have seen new members on here, with a low post count and a recent member since date, and they have given out misinformation to other new people. Maybe I wasn't giving you enough credit. If that's the case, I am sorry!
But, the post really wasn't that negative or derogatory that I posted. The guy that made the post was obviously new and was having some trouble. You told him that RH in upper 90's wasn't that important, to get as small as a tub as he could find, don't use perlite because it's the worst thing you can use for RH, have standing water in his FC, and to use verm in his FC. Although I don't agree with what you told him, or at least I wouldn't use those methods, they may in fact work. So, I wasn't slamming you. You're probably a pretty cool guy! So, please accept my apology and let's put this thread to bed!!!
For those that are wondering what the post actually said, here it is. Edit: And for those that read this, was my post that bad as to warrant this thread???
Jamaican: Im using a 64 qt/61 L tub with 2' of perlite but my humidity levels only reach 90% tops.Its sealed tight at the top and theres no holes in the tub. Is it because the tub is to big? Not enough perlite for that size tub? suggestions?
Captain Cubensis: Use as small a tub as will still work and you will be fine. Typically, 90-99% humidity will work, there is no need as far as I know to be obsessed with 99% at all costs.
Perlite is nasty, use open water or damp vermiculite, perlite should be banned!
I have never had any issues using open water at the bottom of a tub, or vermiculite, perlite is dirty, abrasive, and dangerous to breath, it is the MOST dangerous and nasty humidity regulator there is
Juris1: Jamaican.... I wouldn't place too much stock in what Cpt Cube said! Perlite, is in fact, a great way to raise RH in your FC. Yes, you don't want to breathe it in, but that's one of the reasons you rinse it off real well. Your mushrooms will grow better if your RH is closer to 99%. They will grow at lower levels of say 90% or so, but 99% is optimal. Why wouldn't you want to strive for optimal conditions?
I also have three 64qt Sterilite containers as my FC's, lined with 4-5" of well drained, damp perlite. If you are using perlite, you DO NOT want standing water in the bottom of your FC. That defeats the purpose of the perlite! The perlite has a large surface area with all kinds of nooks and crannies, and the air flowing through your damp perlite raises your RH. So, I would add more perlite, but I would also drill holes in all six sides of your FC, so it would be a shotgun FC. Have you seen RR's videos on Youtube? If not, watch all four of them. He explains the whole PF Tek process of making brf/verm jars. The videos are the actual footage from his 2dvd set. Here's the link...
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+grow+mushrooms&search=Search
I'm not sure what captain cube meant by using damp verm? I've never heard of using damp verm to raise your RH. I have heard of using moist verm as a bottom layer of a casing. The only verm you need in your FC, should be on the outside of your cakes when you roll them in verm after you have dunked them for 24hrs!
The shotgun FC, involves drilling 1/4" holes in all six sides of your plastic bin. Then filling the bottom with 4-5" of well drained, damp perlite. The cakes should be place on a piece of alum foil on top of the perlite. Make sure you fan about 4-6 times a day. This set up works great. I've used it on all my grows, for cakes and casings and haven't had any problems wiht RH! Just make sure ang get a decent analog hygrometer to check your RH.
So....
1. Don't listen to Captain Cube. He's got some misinformation there. 2. Don't use standing water in your FC!!! Unless your making a Poor Man's Pod (PMP). The PMP has bubble wands in the bottom, lava rocks covering the bubble wands, water added into bottom to where it's about 1.5-2" below top surface of lava rocks, air pump on outside with hoses going through two holes to the bubble wands, and two more holes at the top of the bin for air exchange. 3. Keep your 64qt plastic bin. It's just fine! 4. Watch the RR videos on Youtube 5. Study, Read, and post back if you have more questions..
I'm not trying to be a prick, but you have to be careful on whose advice you follow. Some people say a lot of things but don't really know what they're talking about. I wouldn't be too inclined to take advice from someone with 29 posts and has been a member for 2 weeks. I don't think he was deliberately trying to tell you wrong. He just misinformed you! Good luck...
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Edited by juris1 (10/05/07 03:52 PM)
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: juris1]
#7488978 - 10/05/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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First off, I accept your apology, though not needed, or expected.
My only point of contention was that you said I had a lot of misinformation out there.
Be more specific with your criticism, so that I may refute, a general comment is mere propaganda.
I meant use as small a tub as his need required, i.e., don't put three 1/2 pint cakes in a 25 gallon Rubber maid, not rocket science, yet you seemed intent of disproving something I said.
Apology accepted, let's all agree to disagree, and to do so with class.
Since the beginning of this thread a few people have agreed with me in general, that it pays to shut up on here, is that the kind of space we want, after all, it could be anything we want it to be.
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: futurewolf42o]
#7488980 - 10/05/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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First off where the fuck did you come from?
What rock have you been trying to crawl out from under while getting that chip off your shoulder.
And for all the bullshit you keep saying. All of us here are not ZEN and the art of mycology. Your mumble jumble psychobabble about enlightening people and this or that.
Go back to myspace!
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: juris1]
#7488996 - 10/05/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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QUOTE:"Some people say a lot of things but don't really know what they're talking about. I wouldn't be too inclined to take advice from someone with 29 posts and has been a member for 2 weeks. I don't think he was deliberately trying to tell you wrong. He just misinformed you!"
I am curious, what exactly did I misinform him about anyway, as far as a yes or no, black or white, right or wrong sense?
Like I said, if it all boils down to watch so and so's video, then we kill the adventure, the exploration, and journey, which is after all, what life is, isn't it?
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7489016 - 10/05/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you were to read any tek's and forums of recipe's you would know that perlite's bark is bigger than it's bite.
Oh and you did misinform. What about using vermiculite as moisture control in the bottom of your FC and standing water. Those are both horrible examples of laziness and not willing to do it the right way.
I don't know why your still arguing about this. It's done your wrong put it behind you. Everyone has been wrong on here. Don't take it to heart.
Be a man suck it up and drive on.
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futurewolf42o
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7489021 - 10/05/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: QUOTE:"Some people say a lot of things but don't really know what they're talking about. I wouldn't be too inclined to take advice from someone with 29 posts and has been a member for 2 weeks. I don't think he was deliberately trying to tell you wrong. He just misinformed you!"
I am curious, what exactly did I misinform him about anyway, as far as a yes or no, black or white, right or wrong sense?
Like I said, if it all boils down to watch so and so's video, then we kill the adventure, the exploration, and journey, which is after all, what life is, isn't it?
so and so (rr)is a respected member in this community. with countless tek's, investigative reports and thousands of pictures to back up the respect he gets.
adventure, exploration, and journey has nothing to do with telling people that their fruiting chambers should be 86 degrees and that temp drops have nothing to do with pinsets. it also has nothing to do with telling people that perlite will kill them. you storm in here with your balls hanging out and a whole lot of preaching but you have offered nothing.
btw, just because something can work, when it has a high failure rate, its generally discouraged to advise people to do so.
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7489052 - 10/05/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did someone piss in your cheerios this morning or what? Did I not explain in the above post what I said about the low post count and other stuff? I said maybe I shouldn't have gone by that! I didn't realize that you were so brilliant. I said you had "some" misinformation, not a lot like you said! I've never heard of anyone using verm for RH, ever. Maybe it's the best thing since sliced bread. Maybe I'm wrong again. But here's what you said about it...
"Perlite is nasty, use open water or damp vermiculite, perlite should be banned!"
So if you want your black/white answer here it is, I think you misinformed him about using wet vermiculite for RH. There, I said it. I think for someone just starting out, that perlite, eventhough it's evil in your eyes, is probably going to be the easiest thing for them to use to get the results they want/need.
So, relax, take it easy, wtfe...i'll try not to post any more propoganda, so as to try and avoid anymore bs threads like this. I'm done, I'm over it...have a good day
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: juris1]
#7489057 - 10/05/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: futurewolf42o]
#7489061 - 10/05/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you futurewolf!!!!! This is so ridiculous....
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: futurewolf42o]
#7489066 - 10/05/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyone can say suck it up and take it like a man, when he is getting the last word.
Damp vermiculite under your cakes mimics moist earth, which is where cubes normally grow, so the moisture provides a good micro climate for developing pins, and since vermiculite is non-nutritious, it is very contam resistant, in fact 100% as far as my foafs 2 weeks experience.
The addition of standing clean water provides the macro-climate of the bin, which like I said, depending on how many holes you drill, can provid an RH as high as you want it,and without electricity and tubes.
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Edited by Captain Cubensis (10/05/07 04:18 PM)
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