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InvisibleCaptain Cubensis
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Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting.
    #7488558 - 10/05/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Am I the only one who feels a tyranny of thought here on the Shroomery. One guy was rated poorly cause he said Salvia should be illegal.

Berating people for opinions?

Is this the discourse of enlightened people?

I was called out for "having lots of misinformation here", a simple, "I disagree with you Captain...", will do.

When we reduce a message board to a police state of thought, with members reading through posts just to EXPOSE the fool, well, the fool is indeed revealed, isn't he?

If there is only ONE RIGHT WAY to do what we do, than surely one book could cover it all, and there would be no need for this site, or message board, if all we could do is reiterate the excepted doctrines.

If only one opinion or set of experiences is true, than the rest of us are what exactly? Liars?

Any thoughts?


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7488563 - 10/05/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Any thoughts?




I think this thread has nothing to do with cultivation... :shrug:


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7488568 - 10/05/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Captain Cubensis said: :emocry: 




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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7488574 - 10/05/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Is this the discourse of enlightened people?





We aren't. The Shroomery is a large collective of ordinary people, many in the guise of internet persona's.

One thing I see in Mush Cult is that there is a lot of parroting of "truths" and too little review of their validity.

What this forum needs is a group of Mythbusters which will investigate these truths and claims with cultivation experiments and a stickythread to show their findings.


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7488575 - 10/05/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Captain Cubensis said:


Any thoughts?




I thought this was the internet.


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Asante]
    #7488590 - 10/05/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Quote:

Is this the discourse of enlightened people?






One thing I see in Mush Cult is that there is a lot of parroting of "truths" and too little review of their validity.






That's why I quit asking cultivation related questions long ago.
If you think it may work, try it.

I grew an amazing flush in my garage (with temps reaching 110F) in a 5 gallon bucket with 2" of substrate.....
But the success violated many of the guidelines of optimum growing.


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InvisibleCaptain Cubensis
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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Fraggin]
    #7488601 - 10/05/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Right on brother, but that is my point, that members are made to stop asking questions, an insidious type of tyranny indeed!


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Fraggin]
    #7488607 - 10/05/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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But the success violated many of the guidelines of optimum growing.




Thats why they're "guidelines," and not requirements...Many new growers/posters confuse the former for the latter and recite them as such.

Not sure what we could actually DO about that, though.


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Asante]
    #7488614 - 10/05/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Nice thinking Wiccan, you are correct. We need a Mythbuster, who documents everything scientifically.

I just thought that psilonauts were mind seekers, introspective, enlightened generally.

But I think the guy who called me out is a lawyer, so that would explain everything. LOL


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7488634 - 10/05/07 02:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You illustrate my point exactly, efficiency is the virtue of fascists.

The whole debate I am trying to open is one of freedom of expression, and tolerance to other peoples claims.

There is a culture of discredit here, and I think it is counter to all of our goals.

If mycology is distilled down to one set of teks and ideas, then it becomes a dogma, experimentation should be encouraged, not ridiculed.


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: simplemachine]
    #7488646 - 10/05/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"Thats why they're "guidelines," and not requirements...Many new growers/posters confuse the former for the latter and recite them as such.

Not sure what we could actually DO about that, though."

We could stand up for our selves, and call to task the thought police, as they have undertaken to do to us.

As I said in an earlier post, when there is a motive to negate all discordant information, not that anyone is, or has done this, I just mean to say that when every thing comes down to watch a video, then this site becomes one continuous commercial.


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Asante]
    #7488655 - 10/05/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Quote:

Is this the discourse of enlightened people?





What this forum needs is a group of Mythbusters which will investigate these truths and claims with cultivation experiments and a stickythread to show their findings.




Myco MythBusters, huh? I like it.

I can see Agar and RR doing something like that.


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7488677 - 10/05/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree.

But I doubt you'll be able to do anything about it.
The best thing you can do is research everything yourself,
come to your own conclusions, and only post your experience.

When we all get into telling each other what is right and what is
wrong, the process becomes hindered. Sure there's some learning
involved there, but it seems as though that's not the kind of learning
you wish to participate in.

Look for results. Look for someone who shows the results you
are looking for and follow their method. If they don't have one,
ask them to make one. If you have a good one of your own,
post it in it's entirety. And don't worry about what anyone has to
say about it. If it works, then it works, who cares what they say.

Folks here will always degrade each other and there will always
be a pecking order... You'll just have to deal with that part.
The key is to not let it bother you. Take this place for what it is.


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7488688 - 10/05/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, but everything you're protesting against, which I honestly don't think is as bad as you think it is, was here long before RR's video.

Also, I don't believe he pays Shroomery members to rep his vids dump on other's teks, so anyone who does this is merely expressing their own opinion. This is how superior ideas/methods/goods spread their way through a community. If damn near everybody recommends a service or product, its a pretty safe bet that it works!


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: monstermitch]
    #7488694 - 10/05/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You're just sore someone called you out for suggesting standing water in a fruiting chamber and disagreed that perilite was the worst humidifying method out there.


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7488734 - 10/05/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Captain Cubensis said:
"Thats why they're "guidelines," and not requirements...Many new growers/posters confuse the former for the latter and recite them as such.

Not sure what we could actually DO about that, though."

We could stand up for our selves, and call to task the thought police, as they have undertaken to do to us.

As I said in an earlier post, when there is a motive to negate all discordant information, not that anyone is, or has done this, I just mean to say that when every thing comes down to watch a video, then this site becomes one continuous commercial.




Yes, there are different ways to do things, but in many of those cases there is one way that is more sensible than the other. If we werent calling out newbs on bad ideas, they'd have a harder time learning the ropes and any other newbs happening to be reading the posts might perpetuate the bad ideas. Policing misinformation is a great way to keep things under control. Stop whining.


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: DigitalNomad]
    #7488745 - 10/05/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i cant believe this thread hasn't been locked.

mycology...drama..whats the difference?

oh wait..


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: DigitalNomad]
    #7488748 - 10/05/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well first off, RR has nothing to do with this except that many people will begin a post, "Blank Member is full of misinformation, watch RRs video", thats the only reason his name came up, not by me.

Roger is the man, no one doubts that, I am talking about freedom of expression of less popular ideas, firm ground to stand on for certain, with literally 3000 years of philosophical thought to back me up.

What I am suggesting is this, how about instead of GENERALLY and without any SPECIFIC instance of incorrect information members slander another members character, we simply say, I disagree with you , here is why.

Do you truly disagree with that notion?


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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7488757 - 10/05/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Pecking order, Pissing contests, Beauty Pageants and censorship/blacklisting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7488771 - 10/05/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

this forum is not the place for your personal issues. please stop posting until you have accurate/constructive information to share. or genuine questions to ask.

Quote:

Captain Cubensis said:
Well first off, RR has nothing to do with this except that many people will begin a post, "Blank Member is full of misinformation, watch RRs video", thats the only reason his name came up, not by me.

Roger is the man, no one doubts that, I am talking about freedom of expression of less popular ideas, firm ground to stand on for certain, with literally 3000 years of philosophical thought to back me up.

What I am suggesting is this, how about instead of GENERALLY and without any SPECIFIC instance of incorrect information members slander another members character, we simply say, I disagree with you , here is why.

Do you truly disagree with that notion?




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