|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
buddhahoodlum
Bodhisattva



Registered: 04/30/07
Posts: 354
Loc: Buddhahood
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's?
#7488509 - 10/05/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Hey everyone I started a little oyster project not to long ago. I just spawned a full bag of oyster mycelia to a small amount of straw in hope's of making a miniature straw log inside of a filter patch bag. So my question is do I need to poke the pin hole's in the bag now or do I wait until full colonization. I ask because I have read alot of mixed report's on what to do at this stage. Also if you do poke hole's in it before full colonization would the same apply to larger straw log's? I will have some pic's up soon of my laundry basket grow of oyster's aswell as the log.
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
|
Jeremy_Davis
Mycelial NetworkAdministrator



Registered: 04/22/05
Posts: 652
Loc: Florida
Last seen: 11 years, 9 months
|
Re: When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's? [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7488585 - 10/05/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I'd punch the holes now man. I cut my oyster logs as I make them.
If you have a good sized filter on the bag, then you don't need to cut the bag. Growers using spawn bags/autoclavable filter patch bags do not cut holes in their bags. Also growers in Africa usually make very small straw logs, like 3in diameter and 9in long. They do not cut vent holes in the bags and pack them tight to the top. At the top of the bag is a filter medium, and the bags use that for respiration.
For true straw logs though, I'd imagine that it would be best to have the many vents for more even respiration, and to avoid any aerobic contaminations.
Also putting a straw log in a filter patch bag seems excessive to me. Why are you doing that (I'm truly just curious) Light and Love, JD
-------------------- Jeremy Davis Educational Concerns for Hunger Organization, Inc. Check out the ECHO mushroom blog page to see our lab, growing facility, and more-www.echotech.org/greta
|
buddhahoodlum
Bodhisattva



Registered: 04/30/07
Posts: 354
Loc: Buddhahood
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Re: When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's? [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#7488852 - 10/05/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Ok thanks for the tip's Jeremy that clarified alot of question's I had. I'm actually just making a small straw block I guess you would call it with a filter patch bag because I had some leftover straw from when I made the laundry basket and I don't want anything to go to waste. I can't believe how fast that oyster mycelia grows. It colonized a 4 quart bag of rye grain in 9 day's with a g2g wowwww!!!! And I thought it was cobweb and almost threw it out because it was so fast and stringy looking lol. Some of the pin's on the laundry basket look really elongated is this from too high of co2 and if so should I just fan it more? thank ya for your help
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
|
Jeroen198



Registered: 08/16/01
Posts: 363
Loc: Maastricht, The Netherlan...
Last seen: 7 months, 23 days
|
Re: When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's? [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7490485 - 10/06/07 04:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
i take it english isn't your native language? try this:
holes, logs, tips, pins, hopes, reports etc. it's easy!
|
RogerRabbit
Bans for Pleasure



Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 11 months, 3 days
|
Re: When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's? [Re: Jeroen198]
#7490731 - 10/06/07 08:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Some of the pin's on the laundry basket look really elongated is this from too high of co2 and if so should I just fan it more?
Yes, if they look like baseball bats, you need to increase air exchange. It would be hard to fan a fruiting chamber enough to get all the CO2 from a laundry basket out. Is there anyway you could put it outside? Perhaps in the garage? On rainy days, set it ouside. RR
-------------------- Download Let's Grow Mushrooms semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat "I've never had a failed experiment. I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work." Thomas Edison
|
Andrew47
Servant of allLife



Registered: 04/06/06
Posts: 432
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
|
Re: When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7491164 - 10/06/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
As Jeremy said, I've learned to poke holes at spawn time because anerobic contaminants can be a pain without them
-------------------- It's easy! Send your clean prints to www.fsrcanada.com
|
buddhahoodlum
Bodhisattva



Registered: 04/30/07
Posts: 354
Loc: Buddhahood
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Re: When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's? [Re: Jeroen198]
#7492341 - 10/06/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Jeroen198 said: i take it english isn't your native language? try this:
holes, logs, tips, pins, hopes, reports etc. it's easy!
Actually English is my native language. I just don't spend much time correcting my grammer and yes it is easy but not when your typin as fast as me. Anyways thanks for the grammer lesson I get them often on here lol. So RR are you suggesting that I just leave it out in the open air in order to get all the co2 out of it? It has been fruiting for about 2 day's now and some of the cluster's look like coral reef formation's so I'm not to sure if it would help much at this point. I uncovered the plastic sheeting a little bit that I had around it to keep humidity in. This should help to expel some of that co2 in there but it might not keep the humidity high enough what do ya think?
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
|
RogerRabbit
Bans for Pleasure



Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 11 months, 3 days
|
Re: When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's? [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7492507 - 10/06/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
The coral look is caused by not enough light. The large stem 'baseball bat' look is caused by high CO2 levels. You need to increase light it seems. They also do better in cool weather. If you have an outdoor space or garage that is in the 50's they'll do better also. RR
-------------------- Download Let's Grow Mushrooms semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat "I've never had a failed experiment. I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work." Thomas Edison
|
buddhahoodlum
Bodhisattva



Registered: 04/30/07
Posts: 354
Loc: Buddhahood
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Re: When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7493081 - 10/06/07 11:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Yes it could be from lack of light but I have a 48' flourescent above it and I could easily read a newspaper underneath it. So I'm thinkin it might be something else like high humidity or co2. Is there a recommended way of fruiting out oyster mushrooms in a enclosed enviroment. Such as visions tek except for oyster's? I will be purchasing a hygrometer soon and maybe a manual co2 meter. Do you have any experience with one of these meter's? Also are the mushrooms that are long and skinny right now going to get fatter now that they are recieving more fae or is it too late?
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
Edited by buddhahoodlum (10/07/07 04:12 PM)
|
Jeroen198



Registered: 08/16/01
Posts: 363
Loc: Maastricht, The Netherlan...
Last seen: 7 months, 23 days
|
Re: When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's? [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7493492 - 10/07/07 02:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
It actually takes more time to type a > ' < for everything you want to write in plural. Where did you get the idea to do start doing this?
If you get grammar lessons here often, perhaps you should try and do something with them.
Call me a grammar nazi or whatever, but these things fascinate me. You can grow mushrooms, but not speak/type your own language properly? That's special.
I'm sure i'm already out of line here, so excuse me mods. I'll leave it at this.
|
RogerRabbit
Bans for Pleasure



Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 11 months, 3 days
|
Re: When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's? [Re: Jeroen198]
#7493746 - 10/07/07 08:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I will repeat. The coral look with oysters is caused by insufficient light. It's irrelevant if you can read a newspaper under the light. Oysters require bright, high frequency light to do well, and a newspaper can be read under moonlight. You also have to remember that the amount of light reaching your mushrooms decreases by at least the square of the distance to the lamp. Thus, the amount of light you get 2 feet from the lamps will only be 1/4 the amount of light you'd get 1 foot from the lamps. RR
-------------------- Download Let's Grow Mushrooms semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat "I've never had a failed experiment. I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work." Thomas Edison
|
buddhahoodlum
Bodhisattva



Registered: 04/30/07
Posts: 354
Loc: Buddhahood
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Re: When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7495161 - 10/07/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
No Jeroen your missing the point I just don't care as much as you do about typin out perfect sentence's on here it's the shroomery bro. If you want to keep correcting me maybe you should look into teaching english you seem to have quite a keen eye for it. Infact I think alot of people on here need to freaken loosen up and stop taking this so seriously. RR I read that in a book by peter oei it says that you can grow oysters under newspaper reading brightness, but that doesn't necessarly mean it's right. So I will take your word that it might just be what you suggested. Also can you answer the other question's I had for ya above thanks again.
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
Edited by buddhahoodlum (10/07/07 04:35 PM)
|
RogerRabbit
Bans for Pleasure



Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 11 months, 3 days
|
Re: When to poke hole's in Oyster Straw Log's? [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7496476 - 10/08/07 06:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
My CO2 meter cost $1500 and I've only used it a few times. I'd save your money. Massive amounts of air exchange will provide the envrironment you need, provided you use bright light. If peter oei says you can grow oysters under low light, then he is quite simply wrong. They produce coral type formations under low light. Only time will tell if your other fruits will recover. At least you know now.
If you want to fruit oysters in an enclosed chamber, it needs to be large enough to dissipate the CO2 so make it tall and put the projects on an upper shelf. Provide lots of ventilation holes. RR
-------------------- Download Let's Grow Mushrooms semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat "I've never had a failed experiment. I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work." Thomas Edison
|
|