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Madness
    #7488466 - 10/05/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

God is mad.

If you are ready to be a little mad, only then is there any possibility of any contact between you and the infinite.
It has to be so.
When the whole ocean drops into a drop, the drop is going to get crazy.
When the infinite descends into the finite, how can the finite remain sane?
It has to go mad.
The old mystics have always called it
"THE DIVINE MADNESS"
All meditation is an approach towards divine madness.
Stake all human sanity.
It is better to be mad in a divine way than to be sane in a human way.
I am crazy.


Is madness something that can be avoided when one is on the path to becoming?


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Re: Madness [Re: onlynow]
    #7488484 - 10/05/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's all relative.

The way to not be mad is to not take yourself too seriously, I gather.
To allow yourself to laugh at the little stuff.
Lie on your back and feel yourself breathe, feel your inner body. It's all good.
"This too shall pass."
Read a book.
That kind of thing.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Madness [Re: Lion]
    #7488505 - 10/05/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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bug said:
The way to not be mad is to not take yourself too seriously, I gather.




Sometimes the lack of seriousness just adds to the madness. :crazy:


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Re: Madness [Re: onlynow]
    #7488595 - 10/05/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It is better to be mad in a divine way than to be sane in a human way.


I just might agree with this.



Is madness something that can be avoided when one is on the path to becoming?


Madness is avoided by refraining from indulging in self-importance. If you don't take yourself too seriously then not much could drive you mad.


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Re: Madness [Re: Icelander]
    #7488630 - 10/05/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:Madness is avoided by refraining from indulging in self-importance.




*smacks my self-important face*

Quote:

If you don't take yourself too seriously then not much could drive you mad.




No not much could drive you mad.

Although, there will always be those who judge my lack of seriousness.


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Re: Madness [Re: onlynow]
    #7488636 - 10/05/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Although, there will always be those who judge my lack of seriousness.


So?


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Madness [Re: Lion]
    #7488638 - 10/05/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Never said I give a shit :hippie:


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Re: Madness [Re: onlynow]
    #7488803 - 10/05/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

One just should check back sometimes if one makes some sense anymore.
You know, inside <-> outside world relationships :wink:


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Re: Madness [Re: onlynow]
    #7488900 - 10/05/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

some really smart people can avoid going mad by stumbling around like idiots until their senses return

but then they gotta watch people die like flowers
and thats enough to make anyone mad
esepcially when your potential date sprays nature's pesticide on you
"ooooh yeah, reallly? oooh yeah!"
come on people, look at your fucking watches


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Re: Madness [Re: Cherk]
    #7488910 - 10/05/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

are you even supposed to be reading this?


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Re: Madness [Re: Cherk]
    #7488924 - 10/05/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Who would be making the supposition?  :sherlock:

:farmerdance:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Madness [Re: Lion]
    #7488929 - 10/05/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you know what a soul is right?


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Re: Madness [Re: Cherk]
    #7488943 - 10/05/07 03:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No. What is it?


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Madness [Re: Cherk]
    #7488948 - 10/05/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

in my opinion, madness is trying to comprehend infinity
trying to resolve the ultimate paradoxes

... trying to transcend by piling dualities on dualities, as if you could pile them so high they could act as a pyramid to something single and pure


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Re: Madness [Re: Lion]
    #7488959 - 10/05/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it is what is situated next to the supersoul in all living things


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Re: Madness [Re: Lion]
    #7488997 - 10/05/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

bug said:
No.  What is it?






You should be ashamed that you didn't know by now :nono:


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And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

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Re: Madness [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7489090 - 10/05/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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in my opinion, madness is trying to comprehend infinity
trying to resolve the ultimate paradoxes

... trying to transcend by piling dualities on dualities, as if you could pile them so high they could act as a pyramid to something single and pure




that is exactly the way i feel :thumbup:

"Someone has said that the meditation we are doing here seems to be sheer madness. It is. And it is that way for a purpose. It is madness with a method; it is consciously chosen.

Remember, you cannot go mad voluntarily. Madness takes possession of you. Only then can you go mad. If you go mad voluntarily, that's a totally different thing. You are basically in control, and one who can control even his madness will never go mad.
"

When I first became detached from my thought process on acid I thought I had entered infinity, each second felt like hours.  The moment seemed to have no end.  That is why I like this -

When the whole ocean drops into a drop, the drop is going to get crazy.
When the infinite descends into the finite, how can the finite remain sane?


It reminds me of going back into the world after these experiences, with a heightened awareness of my attachment to thought process.  How caught up in my ego I was prior to the experience, how caught up in it I am now, and how I can change that. 

What I like most about my OP is how he wasn't afraid to say he is mad, he says it so humorously.  i think fear has a lot to do with madness, and how seriously we take it.


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Re: Madness [Re: onlynow]
    #7489298 - 10/05/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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onlynow said:
God is mad.

If you are ready to be a little mad, only then is there any possibility of any contact between you and the infinite.
It has to be so.
When the whole ocean drops into a drop, the drop is going to get crazy.
When the infinite descends into the finite, how can the finite remain sane?
It has to go mad.
The old mystics have always called it
"THE DIVINE MADNESS"
All meditation is an approach towards divine madness.
Stake all human sanity.
It is better to be mad in a divine way than to be sane in a human way.
I am crazy.


Is madness something that can be avoided when one is on the path to becoming?




It depends on what you can handle IMO. If you are willing to ditch your relative sanity I think that, for instance, psychedelics can offer you a lot more than if not. You've gotta be willing to be a little crazy in order to understand the utter craziness that drives existence. All that aside I think going a little crazy is pretty healthy actually. It's something innate in us, part of out true animal nature, that we repress because we're "civilized".

If we don't know the truth, how do we know we are actually sane anyway? Given the way things could conceivably be, we could look hilariously pathetic and insane right now.


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Re: Madness [Re: Grok]
    #7489327 - 10/05/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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we could look hilariously pathetic and insane right now.


LSD made me realize how insane I must look from a standpoint of objective awareness most of the time. I am often totally insane. I often walk around looking at people and buildings and cars and birds as if I'm expecting to gain something from them that will finally make me happy and at peace; having conversations where I tell stories about myself, relate my 'opinions' about things like sports teams or my professors or the weather; feeling as though these stories and opinions are who I am; etc. Like Tim Leary said, "insane robots living in boxes".


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Madness [Re: Lion]
    #7489353 - 10/05/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so now that you know you are living in a box, what are you going to do about it?


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Re: Madness [Re: onlynow]
    #7489362 - 10/05/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

does knowing we are contained within a box give us more control over our attachment to the box?


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Re: Madness [Re: onlynow]
    #7489371 - 10/05/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky tacky,1
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes all the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And the people in the houses
All went to the university,
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same,
And there's doctors and lawyers,
And business executives,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry,
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school,
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university,
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same.

And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.


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Re: Madness [Re: Lion]
    #7489494 - 10/05/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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bug said:
Quote:

we could look hilariously pathetic and insane right now.


LSD made me realize how insane I must look from a standpoint of objective awareness most of the time. I am often totally insane. I often walk around looking at people and buildings and cars and birds as if I'm expecting to gain something from them that will finally make me happy and at peace; having conversations where I tell stories about myself, relate my 'opinions' about things like sports teams or my professors or the weather; feeling as though these stories and opinions are who I am; etc. Like Tim Leary said, "insane robots living in boxes".




So funny you mention this...after I made my last post in this thread I remembered having read something by Leary and his experiences with LSD, and how he considered committing himself because when he'd take acid, and reflect on his everyday activities, they would seem hopelessly absurd and aimless - and he kept having this experience. I remember when I read that, thinking "Goddamn, sounds just like me!" Especially after a breakthrough DMT trip, I get this really strong feeling that I've been wasting my life not trying to...what, exactly, I'm not sure...furthering the collective consciousness/share the experience/turn people on...or something??? That I spend so much of my life wrapped up in the grind; keeping myself distracted with petty ego matters and physical pleasures; acting 'sane' and playing dumb to what I think my greater calling really is...sleepwalking essentially, like everyone else. In fact, the first time I smoked DMT, the circumstances leading up to which were pretty trippy themselves, this deafening silence within said "USE YOUR LIFE WISELY!". Sadly I don't think I've heeded that one too well.


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Re: Madness [Re: Grok]
    #7489514 - 10/05/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yea... that sounds a lot like me too.


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