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how close lsh is to lsd?
#7488094 - 10/05/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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can anyone tell me just how close the lsh trip is to an lsd trip?
does lsh have as good of visuals as lsd? what about mind fuck?
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: haze1205]
#7488138 - 10/05/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's pretty unlikely anyone here has had a trip entirely on LSH. It's found in nature, as far as I'm aware, only in combination with dozens of different types of lysergic acid amides.
To answer your question (well, sort of), in my experience, apart from at very high doses, LSA isn't nearly as visual as LSD and the mind trip is fairly similar but lacks the depeth and meaning. In fairness to LSA, I haven't experimented much with various natural sources of preparations, and I know that more powerful effects can be achieved.
Overall, I suspect there's a reason LSA has never been close to LSD in popularity. LSD simply amplifies the positive effects and has almost none of the negative.
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: EllisDSox]
#7488152 - 10/05/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i know what lsa is like. Im just wondering about lsh.
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: haze1205]
#7488163 - 10/05/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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similar to lsa without as much of a body load is what I've heard.
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: haze1205]
#7488166 - 10/05/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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LSA was more sedative than psychedelic for me, really. a really couch locked typed dream.
If I ever found a successful way of converting the LSA into the "LSH" you're talkin' about (which isn't necessarily it's name), I'd try it, most definitely.. but it seems like if it were as great as it's supposed to be, more people would know, there would be more information regarding it, just.. something, ya know?
I was blown away by the potency of Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds.. so perhaps the supposed "LSH" would blow me away even more, I would hope so.. but it's doubtful
It's a good thought though
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: haze1205]
#7488170 - 10/05/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i know what lsa is like. Im just wondering about lsh.
Someone would have to take the time to isolate only a specific type of amide. This isn't something, as far as I in my limited knowledge of chemistry am aware, that can be easily achieved. Hopefully someone here has done this, and you'll get your answer.
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: EllisDSox]
#7488251 - 10/05/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont think he means it in that kind of way. If one were to try the extraction with the mint oil blah blah blah, how good are the visual and mental effects of THAT compared to LSD?
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Moo456]
#7488283 - 10/05/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i always felt that LSD was just like psiclobin or LSA its just all the good parts that were extracted the pure bliss, only the stuff u want hoffman is tight like that he only provides the purest type of trip i always felt LSD is just like any other hallucinogen but its only the good stuff
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Coaster]
#7488838 - 10/05/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Somebody posted a way of using sherry on HBWR seeds and convert the LSA to LSH a little while back. Try a search.
Supposedly, LSH is LSD's closest natural relative.
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Divided_Sky]
#7488869 - 10/05/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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A posted a question in the chemistry section on this topic that hasn't received a reply yet. Looks like this thread is good for it too.Quote:
I've been reading around trying to learn more about LSH too. Seems simple enough if it's just a matter of adding peppermint oil during the process if it really makes that much of a difference. Does it?
I'm planning on ordering an ounce of HBWR seeds today and using this extraction method: http://www.clearwhitelight.org/hatter/LSAextraction.htm
Any suggestions on the best way to incorporate peppermint oil in that without changing the potency appreciably?
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Coaster]
#7488912 - 10/05/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks coaster. I've read that thread a few times and still haven't settled my mind on this. I've got an once of HWBR seeds on the way. I'm kinda hoping to for the best results with the least experimentation. But isn't everyone? lol
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: haze1205]
#7489199 - 10/05/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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do you even have, or know where to get LSH?
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TripityDooDaDay said: Thanks coaster. I've read that thread a few times and still haven't settled my mind on this. I've got an once of HWBR seeds on the way. I'm kinda hoping to for the best results with the least experimentation. But isn't everyone? lol
ya of course thats wut every1 is after im fairly convinced that if u take a lot of LSA it would be the same thing as LSD except LSD doesnt have anything that u dont want from a big LSA trip my theory is that LSD is just the pure trip of LSA
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Coaster]
#7489480 - 10/05/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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IMO lsa feels ALLOT like lsd. lsa is kind of sedating though
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: A0999]
#7489805 - 10/05/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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WTF is LSH? an how is this the first time ive heard of it?
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: sui]
#7490160 - 10/05/07 11:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think it got all hyped up after some dude talked about it in his pepermint extraction or whatever.
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: A0999]
#7490380 - 10/06/07 02:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide, one of many alkaloids found in Morning Glory Seeds, Ergot and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose. Apart from very slight differences in molecular structure, it's almost identical to LSD. However, experiences with only this compound and not the many other lysergic acid amides are hard to come by, so the status it has as "organic LSD" may well be totally undeserved.
Essentially, or so the theory goes, the more visual and thoughtful effects of LSA are attributed to LSH, whereas the sedative side of the experience is attributed to the other amides.
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: EllisDSox]
#7490853 - 10/06/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey is there a way someone could send lsd through the mail i mean it has no scent or anything
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what can't you send through the mail?
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that would be a cool experiment to find out whether or not the gov looks in you mail close enough to see it encased in a letter
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i can assure you that it IS possible to get LSD, among other things, through the mail
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hmm who would do it tho? i mean id prolly try it to see if it would work im crazy like that
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It would work. You could soak a birthday card in it.
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you're just trying to get someone to send you some in the mail, aren't you?
keep trying
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Correct me if im wrong Gentlemen.. Many things sent thru the mail may or may not be illegal. Fortunately, it is a federal offense to pillage thru someones mail. The postal systems are far too busy to x-ray every package and letter. The authorities would have to be tipped off and even then, it would be difficult to intercept a package in rout. Sending seeds and plants overseas is an international offense., something about disturbing the eco-systems. But it happens all the time. It is more common to send such things via USPS then you think. Anyways, good luck on your hunt.
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Ogla]
#7497616 - 10/08/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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im not really fishing for someone to give me lsd it would be nice tho but i was simply wondering if anyone has ever done it
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SWIM can verify that it is posible and easy... LSD has no scent, no color, no way of detection at all... they use blacklights in jails to detect it in the leters after opening them. but if you were to send someone a birthday card and include in it a 10 strip wraped in plastic wrap, im sure it would be OK.. even better, just draw a squar on the back of the card and dropper a hit or 3 there...
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Slimz]
#7497757 - 10/08/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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perhaps.. hmmn who would have the balls to try to too see though?
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I doubt people do it just to "see if it works". I'm sure people actually make a living doing this through the mail all the time. So there are def. people out there who "have balls to try it".
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Jair]
#7497774 - 10/08/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i mean it would be cool to actually try it to see if they do blacklight the mail to see if its in there like send it to two seperate addresses from you own like your neighbors just in case ya know go why is everyone so pessimistic today?
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Why the fuck is this thread derailed into sending LSD through the mail discussion.???
I wanna hear more about this LSH stuff.
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I've never heard of LSH. Is there any in HBWR seeds? How can you extract it without getting LSA mixed in with it? Interesting thread btw.
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: dbailey11]
#7497856 - 10/08/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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LSH decomposes at room temperature.. gl to anyone trying to make it from LSA and acetaldehyde.
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: dbailey11]
#7497862 - 10/08/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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lsh is a sort of organic lsd compound isolated by hoffman in his 20th experiment in synthesizing lsd he found this to be somewhat useful yet not what he was looking for so five more experiments later and walla! d-lysergic acid diethyamide 25!
hbwr do contain the ergot alkaloids necessary to compose lsh yet not as strong as ergotamine tartrate purum 97.0 % synthensis really interested? check out pihkal or tihkal books! thats where i learned a lot of lsd chemistry stuff from. although being an avid chemist already its rather hard at first but gets easier as you go sort of dangerous too due the highly poisonous content or ergot derivatives so make sore you know what your doing. (sorry get carried away sometimes)
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I just ordered 50 HBWR seeds from Iamshaman. If I can find some everclear I'm going to try this.
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post a topic about this its gonna be hot everyone will like this man you start it i have one to many topics out right now lool
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i dunno but a crystal extrack of morning glory, hbwr, and rivea is really nice
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: thedudenj]
#7498117 - 10/08/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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indeed ill have to try rivea
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If I can't find high-proof enough alcohol (likely since I live in California, d'oh) I'll probably just do a simple water extraction. I've heard that the Hawaiian strain HBWR (what I got) are pretty awesome just on their own.
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even better selling a school note book laced with lsd and some pencils
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rather sedating though thus why the experiment is to take place lol to try to make it so its not sedating and give a more visual high
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for me its very very strong, but alot of seditives speed me up...
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: thedudenj]
#7499229 - 10/08/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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im gonna take ten to 12 seeds to see how it looks normally without the synthesis then follow up a controlled group study like usual; not very original but we know it will work
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How are you going to carry out the synthesis?
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Acyl]
#7499281 - 10/08/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Materials: blender, funnel, filter paper, petroleum ether or lighter fluid, methanol (wood alcohol), glass jar, Pyrex baking dish
Grind Morning Glory or Hawaiian Baby Wood Rose seeds in a blender until they are a fine powder, and spread them out to dry. Soak the powder with lighter fluid or petroleum ether. Cap the container to avoid fumes, and don't smoke nearby, or you'll be very sorry.
In a well-ventilated area (neither ether nor lighter fluid are good for you), filter the solution through filter paper in a funnel. Discard the filtrate (the liquid).
Dry mash completely.
Soak mash in methanol (wood alcohol) for 2 days. Be careful - its vapors are poisonous and may be explosive.
Filter, and save the filtrate.
Soak the mash in methanol again a further 2 days.
Filter. Discard the mash, save the filtrate.
Pour both filtrates into a large, flat dish and evaporate in the absence of direct sunlight. Sunlight will break down the LSA. Preferably, perform ALL procedures in a cool, well- ventilated place away from sunlight.
After evaporation, a yellow gum will remain in the dish. Scrape it up.
To dose on the LSA, add some harmless filler (starch, flour, milk sugar) to the gum until it is not sticky. Put in gelatin capsules or take as is. 30 g Morning Glory seeds or 15 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds should make a goodly trip, so adjust dosage accordingly.
If you want to turn LSA into LSD, you can [see below], but it's MUCH more difficult and VERY unsafe.
#2: Extraction of Lysergic Acid Amides
Start with domestic Morning Glory seeds, the young seeds of the Hawaiian Baby Wood Rose, cultured ergot or naturally occurring ergot compounds.
NOTE: Morning Glory seeds may be coated with a toxic chemical by the seed company in order to prevent ingestion. If a packet of seeds contains coated seeds this fact should be stated on the container. Soaking the seeds in warm water for 1/2 hour and rinsing in a strainer should remove this coating.
NOTE: while many varieties of morning glory contain the active LSA (Lysergic acid amide), the yield varies greatly. Therefore, use only Pearly Gates, Wedding Bells, and Heavenly Blue varieties for best results.
Reduce seed material to a fine powder in a blender, and spread it out to dry. Grind again if not fine enough after the first time due to dampness.
Saturate powdered seed material with lighter fluid, naphtha or ligroine. When completely saturated, it should have the consistency of soup.
Pour into a chromatography column and let it sit overnight.
Remove the fatty oils from the material by dripping the solvent through the column slowly, and testing the liquid that comes through for fats by evaporating a drop on clean glass until it leaves no greasy film. (It should take several ounces of solvent for each ounce of seeds).
Mix 9 volumes of chloroform with 1 volume of concentrated ammonium hydroxide and shake in a separatory funnel. When it settles, the chloroform layer will be on the bottom. Drain the chloroform layer and discard the top layer.
Drip the chloroform wash through the column and save the extract. test continuously by evaporating a drop on clean glass until it ceases to fluoresce.
[It is NOT explicit in the source, but if extracting from ergot, I would start with the ergot alkaloid base at this point. --Ed.]
Evaporate the chloroform extracts, and dissolve the residue in the minimum amount of a 3% tartaric acid solution. If all the residue doesn't dissolve, place it into suspension by shaking vigorously.
Color the solution with an acid base indicator, and titrate to find the approximate number of moles of the alkaloid present.
Transfer the solution to a separatory funnel, and wash the other vessel with acid in order to get all the alkaloid out. Pour the washings in the funnel also.
Bring the pH up to make the solution basic by adding sodium bicarbonate solution, and add an equal volume of chloroform.
Shake thoroughly, let it settle, remove the bottom layer and set aside. Again add an equal portion of chloroform, shake, let settle and remove bottom layer.
Combine chloroform extracts (bottom layers) and evaporate.
The residue remaining after evaporation is a semi-pure concentrate of LSA (lysergic acid amide). The amide requires some experimentation for dosage, but 1 mg of the concentrate is a reasonable starting point. 1 mg LSA will produce effects comparable to 100 micrograms of LSD.
#3: Ergot culture
NOTE: contact with ergot compounds can be dangerous. Only after a basic understanding of the techniques employed in the handling of dangerous or poisonous organisms is reached should one proceed with the culture of ergot.
The need for absolute sterility cannot be overstressed. Consult any elementary text on bacteriology for the correct equipment and procedures. Avoid prolonged contact with ergot compounds, as they are poisonous and can be fatal.
A) Get a source for Claviceps Purpurea fungus
If no source can be found, you can make a field trip to obtain it from rye or other cereal grasses. Rye grass is the best choice. The ergot will appear as a blackish growth on the tops of the rye where the seeds are. They are approximately the same shape as the seeds and are referred to as "heads" or "ergot". From these heads or ergot sprout the Claviceps Purpurea fungi.
They have long stems and bulbous heads when viewed under a strong glass or microscope. It is these that must be removed from the ergot, free from contamination, and used to inoculate the culture material.
B) Make a culture medium
Combine the following ingredients in about 500 ml distilled water in a 2 L small-neck flask:
Sucrose 100 g
Chick pea meal 50 g Calcium nitrate 1 g Ca(NO3)2 Monopotassium phosphate 0.25 g KH2PO4 Magnesium sulphate 0.25 g MgSO4 Potassium chloride 0.125 g KCl Ferrous sulphate heptahydrate 8.34 mg FeSO47H20 Zinc sulphate heptahydrate 3.44 mg ZnSO47H20
Add water to make up one liter
Adjust to pH 4 with ammonia solution and citric acid
Sterilize by autoclaving
C) Make a culture
Inoculate the sterilized medium with Claviceps Purpurea under sterile conditions, stopper with sterilized cotton and incubate for two weeks, periodically testing and maintaining pH 4. After two weeks a surface culture can be seen on the medium. Large-scale production of the fungus can now begin.
D) Large-scale production
Obtain several ordinary 1 gallon jugs.
Place a two-hole stopper in the necks of the jugs.
Fit a short (6 inch) tube in one hole, leaving two inches above the stopper. Fit a short rubber tube to this. Fill a small (500 ml) Erlenmeyer flask with a dilute solution of sodium hypochlorite (NaClO). Extend a glass tube from the rubber so the end is immersed in the hypochlorite.
Fit a long glass tube in the other stopper hole. It must reach near the bottom of the jug and have about two inches showing above the stopper. Attach a rubber tube to the glass tube and fit a short glass tube to the end of the rubber tube.
Fill a large glass tube (1" x 6") with sterile cotton and fit one-hole stoppers in the ends. Fit the small glass tube in the end of the rubber tube into one stopper of the large tube. Fit another small glass tube into the other stopper. A rubber tube is connected to this and attached to small air pump (obtained from a tropical fish store).
With this aeration equipment you can assure a supply of clean air to the Claviceps Purpurea fungus while maintaining a sterile environment inside the solution.
Dismantle the aerators. Place all the glass tubes, rubber tubes, stoppers and cotton in a paper bag, seal tightly with wire staples and sterilize in an autoclave.
Fill the 1-gallon jugs 2/3 to 3/4 full with the culture medium and autoclave.
While these things are being sterilized, homogenize in a blender the culture already obtained and use it to inoculate the material in the gallon jugs. The blender must be sterile.
EVERYTHING must be sterile.
Assemble the aerators. Start the pumps. A slow bubbling in each jug will provide enough oxygen to the cultures. A single pump may be connected to several filters.
Let everything sit at room temperature (25 C) in a dark place (never expose ergot alkaloids to bright light - they will decompose) for a period of ten days.
After ten days, adjust the culture to 1% ethanol using 95% ethanol under sterile conditions. Maintain growth for another two weeks.
E) Extract ergot alkaloids
After a total of 24 days growth period, the culture should be considered mature. Make the culture acidic with tartaric acid and homogenize in a blender for one hour.
Adjust to pH 9 with ammonium hydroxide and extract with benzene or chloroform/iso-butanol mixture.
Extract again with alcoholic tartaric acid and evaporate in a vacuum to dryness.
The dry material is the salt (the tartaric acid salt, the tartrate) of the ergot alkaloids, and is stored in this form because the free basic material is too unstable and decomposes readily in the presence of light, heat, moisture, and air.
To recover the free base for extraction of the amide or synthesis to LSD, make the tartrate basic with ammonia to pH 9, extract with chloroform, and evaporate in vacuo.
#4: Synthesis of LSD from ergot alkaloids or LSA
(including sections on isomerization, separation, purification & crystallization)
NOTE: the chemicals and reactions described below are potentially dangerous even to an organic chemist in a well-equipped laboratory.
The publishers therefore disclaim responsibility for any damage or injury resulting from the improper handling of the chemicals and techniques described, and strongly urge all persons unqualified to perform the reactions to use instead the comparatively easier, safer ergot culture and LSA extraction process.
A) Synthesis of LSD (iso- & dextro-lysergic acid diethylamide)
PREPARATORY: obtain one red and one yellow photographic safety light and one weak, long-wave ultraviolet light. These are used to prevent the hydrolysis of lysergic acid compounds.
NOTE: Aluminum foil must be used to cover the chemicals when light is present. Rubber gloves must be worn; these compounds are extremely poisonous.
[The source implies but does not state that one may replace "ergot alkaloid" in the following with the seed-derived semi- pure LSA concentrate from #2. --Ed.]
USING YELLOW LIGHT:
Place one volume of ergot alkaloid in a small roundbottom flask. Add 2 volumes of anhydrous hydrazine and reflux for 30 minutes, or the mixture may be heated in a sealed tube at 112 Celsius for 30 minutes. If the reflux technique is used, maintain atmospheric pressure by using an open container or fractionating column.
After heating/refluxing, add 1.5 volumes of water to the mixture and boil gently for 15 minutes. After boiling is complete, cool the mixture in a refrigerator until solidification. The solid material obtained is iso-lysergic acid hydrazide.
USING RED LIGHT:
Chill all chemicals (reagents) to be used to 0 Celsius. Place an open flask in an ice bath. Add 100 ml concentrated hydrochloric acid (chilled to 0 C).
Quickly add 2.82 g of the lysergic acid hydrazide to the hydrochloric acid, being careful to maintain a temperature of 0 Celsius.
Add 100 ml of a 0.1 N (1/10th Normal) solution of sodium nitrite (chilled to 0 C) and stir vigorously for 3 minutes.
Continue stirring at 0 Celsius and add dropwise 130 ml of the hydrochloric acid.
When the acid addition is complete, continue stirring for 5 minutes, then neutralize the solution with sodium bicarbonate, using a saturated water solution of the bicarbonate.
Extract the solution with ether, remove the water layer, and dissolve the gummy substance in ether. Add this to the ether layer.
Add 3 g of diethylamine for every 30 ml of the ether extract.
Let this stand in the dark, and gradually warm up to 20 Celsius for at least 24 hours.
Evaporate this solution in a vacuum.
The material remaining is a mixture of the inactive iso-lysergic acid diethylamide and the active lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD-25). The inactive isomer must now be converted (isomerized) to the active isomer to greatly increase the yield, since the inactive compound predominates in this synthesis.
B) Isomerization of iso-LSD into the active LSD-25
USING THE RED LIGHT:
Dissolve the synthesized material into the minimum amount of ethyl alcohol.
Mix a 4 Normal solution of potassium hydroxide in ethanol. The amount of solution needed is twice the volume of the iso-LSD/ethanol solution.
Add the two solutions together and let the mixture sit for 4 hours at room temperature.
Neutralize the mixture with dilute hydrochloric acid, then make it slightly basic with ammonium hydroxide.
Extract the mixture with chloroform, sparate the chloroform layer, and extract this four times with a 25% volume of water.
Evaporate the chloroform in a vacuum. Discard the water extracts. The material left after evaporation a mixture of iso-LSD and LSD-25, the active LSD predominating.
The mixture may now be separated by chromatography and the iso-LSD again isomerized by the above process.
C) Separation, purification & crystallization of LSD-25
USING A DARKROOM:
The material obtained from the isomerization process is now dissolved in a solution prepared from 3 parts benzene/1 part chloroform. Use 50 ml solvent per 1 gram LSD material.
Mix a slurry basic alumina in benzene. Pack it into a 1 inch chromatoghraphy column until it fills 6 inches.
When the slurry settles, drain the benzene/chloroform down to the level of the basic alumina, and carefully add an equal amount of the LSD/solvent solution.
USING A WEAK, LONG-WAVE ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT: (to follow the blue band only)
Drain the solution through the column. The fastest-moving, blue fluorescent band contains the LSD-25. Collect this fraction and evaporate in a vacuum. The syrup remaining will crystallize spontaneously, but slowly. Do not heat.
Use the UV light only whe necessary to follow the blue band in order to avoid decomposition of the compounds.
Dissolve the syrup or crystal in tartaric acid solution and recrystallize to form the stable end-product (dextro lysergic acid diethylamide tartrate).
The material remaining in the column may be removed with methanol, evaporated in a vacuum, and recycled through the isomerization and subsequent procedures by itself or combined with fresh material. Also, all leftover solutions and residues may be neutralized with socium bicarbonate, evaporated in vacuo, and extracted with ammoniacal chloroform, the extract evaporated to dryness, and the residue reused.
#5: Preparation of lysergic acid from the amide
NOTE: this synthesis is as difficult and dangerous as the rest, and is of use only if using one of the following two LSD synthesis methods, which require lysergic acid as the starting compound. The lysergic acid amide obtained from the extract of ergot or seeds need not be converted to the acid prior to its use in the synthesis of LSD providing that the synthesis used is #4 given above, and giving the starting material "ergot alkaloid".
Dissolve 10 g lysergic acid amide in 200 ml methanolic potassium hydroxide solution.
Remove the methanol by vacuum as soon as the amide is dissolved.
Dissolve the residue which is left into 200 ml of an 8% solution of potassium hydroxide in water.
Heat this mixture on a steam bath for 1 hour.
Pass a steam of nitrogen gas through the flask during the heating process. (The ammonia which is evolved in the gas stream may be titrated with hydrochloric acid in order to follow the reaction.)
Neutralize the mixture with tartaric acid (neutral to congo red) and run it through a filter paper.
Extract the mixture with ether in a separatory funnel. Save the water layer, discard the ether layer.
Filter the solution through a filter paper and evaporate.
Upon evaporation, dry crystals of lysergic acid will be obtained.
#6: Synthesis of LSD using lysergic acid the quickest way to make pure LSD-25 PREPARATORY: see #4
NOTE: The chemicals and techniques described are potentially dangerous. It is highly recommended that the physical and chemical properties of the reagents used be studied by those persons unfamiliar with them before the synthesis is attempted.
USING THE YELLOW LIGHT:
5.36 g of d-lysergic acid are suspended in 125 ml acetonitrile, and the suspension is cooled to about -20 Celsius in a bath of acetone cooled with dry ice.
To the suspension is added a cold (-20 C) solution of 8.82 g of trifluoracetic anhydride in 75 ml acetonitrile. The mixture is allowed to stand at -20 C for about 1 1/2 (one and one-half) hours.
(During this time the suspended material dissolves and the d-lysergic acid id converted to the mixed anhydride of lysergic and trifluoracetic acids.)
The mixed anhydride can be separated in the form of an oil by evaporating the solvent in vacuo at a temperature below about 0 Celsius.
Everything must be kept anhydrous.
USING THE RED LIGHT:
The solution of mixed anhydrides in acetonitrile from above is added to 150 ml of acetonitrile containing 7.6 g of diethylamine.
The mixture is held in the dark at room temperature for about 2 hours.
The acetonitrile is evaporated in vacuo, leaving a residue of LSD-25 plus impurities.
The residue is dissolved in 150 ml of chloroform and 20 ml of ice water.
The chloroform layer is removed and the aqueous layer is extracted with several portions of chloroform. The chloroform portions are are combined and, in turn, washed with four 50 ml portions of ice-cold water.
The chloroform solution is then dried over anhydrous sodium sulfate and evaporated in vacuo.
NOTE: following the completion of this synthesis, follow the procedures described for separation, purification, and crystallization of LSD-25. If a higher yield is desired, follow the procedure on isomerization after doing the separation, purification, and crystallization.
#7: Synthesis of LSD using lysergic acid high-yielding and fast
PREPARATORY: see #4
NOTE: The chemicals and techniques described are potentially dangerous. It is highly recommended that the physical and chemical properties of the reagents used be studied by those persons unfamiliar with them before the synthesis is attempted.
NOTE: the following procedure gives good yield and is very fast, with little iso-lysergic acid being produced. However, the stoichiometry must be exact or yields will drop
USING WHITE LIGHT:
Sulfur trioxide is produced in an anhydrous state by carefully decomposing anhydrous ferric sulfate at approximately 480 Celsius. Store under anhydrous conditions.
USING WHITE LIGHT:
A carefully-dried 22 liter RB flask fitted with an ice bath, dropping funnel, and mechanical stirrer is charged with 10 to 11 liters of dimethylformamide (freshly distilled under reduced pressure).
The condenser and dropping funnel are both protected against atmospheric moisture.
2 lb. of sulfur trioxide (Sulfan B) are introduced dropwise, very cautiously with stirring, during 4 to 5 hours. The temperature is kept at 0-5 Celsius throughout the addition.
After the addition is complete, the mixture is stirred for 1 to 2 hours until some separated crystalline sulfur trioxide- dimethylformamide complex has dissolved.
The reagent is transferred to an air-tight automatic pipette for convenient dispensing, and kept in the cold. Although the reagent, which is colorless, may change to yellow and red, its efficiency remains unimpaired for three to four months in cold storage.
An aliquot is dissolved in water and titrated with standard NaOH to a phenolphthalein end point.
USING RED LIGHT:
A solution of 7.15 g of d-lysergic acid monohydrate (25 mmol) and 1.06 g of lithium hydroxide hydrate (25 mmol) in 200 L of MeOH is prepared.
The solvent is distilled on the steam bath under reduced pressure.
The residue of glass-like lithium lysergate is dissolved in 400 ml of anhydrous dimethyl formamide.
From this solution, about 200 ml of the dimethyl formamide is distilled off at 15mm pressure through a 12-inch helices packed column.
The resulting anhydrous solution of lithium lysergate left behind is cooled to 0 Celsius and, with stirring, treated rapidly with 500 ml of SO3DMF solution (1.00 Molar).
The mixture is stirred in the cold for 10 minutes and then 9.14 g (125.0 mmol) of diethylamine is added.
The stirring and cooling are continued for 10 minutes longer, when 400 ml of water is added to decompose the reaction complex.
After mixing thoroughly, 200 ml of saturated aqueous saline solution is added. The amide product is isolated by repeated extraction with 500 ml portions of ethylene dichloride.
The combined extract is dried and then concentrated to a syrup under reduced pressure. Do not heat the syrup during concentration. The LSD may crystallize out, but the crystals and the mother liquor may be chromatographed according to the instructions in the synthesis of LSD #4.
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i will sell acid to everyone here also i will supply free pot to all who want it cocaine is a hell of a drug pm me if you want to get intergalactic i sell cocaine at 20 dollars a gram pm me if interested xtc available from me anything any drug you name it pm me to buy
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Acyl]
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yeah i dont actually sell of course just dont want my name to linger on here ya know and they have a no deletion policy so im doing everything to get deleted lol
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Acyl]
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Acyl]
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well file a few complaints for me will ya i dont want to have my name linger on here
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Coaster]
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Taking more LSA is nothing like LSD....more is NOT better. Take 2 doses of LSA and you feel like you are going insane and it's horrible. Take 2 doses of LSD and the trip just deepens.
There is a big difference when you convert your LSA extract to LSH. You can actually get up and walk around! And if you take a larger dose, instead of going crazy, the trip deepens.
From what I've learned, this is how to properly do the LSH Tek:
1. Grind the HBWR seeds to a powder and place in starting fluid (diethyl ether) for an hour.
2. Place in coffee filter and wait one hour for the starting fluid to completely evaporate. It actually only takes about 15 minutes.
3. Soak the seed powder in strong alcohol for one hour, then filter and save the alcohol. Throw out the seed mush now. You can let the alcohol evaporate by placing it in beaker with a coffee filter on top. Heating it up is not a good idea because it might break down the LSA. When the alcohol evaporates, then only water will remain. Don't let all of the liquid evaporate, since LSA tends to break down when dried.
4. Adjust the pH of the solution to below 4 using citric acid or vinegar if you don't mind the taste.
5. Add a bottle of peppermint extract from the local grocery store. It only takes a little, but it's best to error on the side of too much. Place the solution in the fridge for 24 hours or at least somewhere below 70F.
After that it's ready to use. It's imperative that you calculate the dosage correctly so you don't take too much. If you have strong woodrose seeds, then 4 should be a trip. So if you use 100 in your batch, and then you are left with 100ml of liquid after extraction then 4ml would be a dose. You can't actually get it conentrated enough so that 1 drop equals a dose. Be sure to keep the solution below 70F at all times so it doesn't break down again into LSA and acetaldehyde.
Reading the LSD Teks, I noticed that if you are careful and gentle with the chemicals, you can do an acid/base solvent extraction of the LSA so you obtain pure crystals, then you can dissolve that in the peppermind extract. Or better yet, buy some pure acetaldehyde.
Now does anyone have any figures for exactly how much acetaldehyde is needed? Maybe just some molar calculations would give the answer?
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them0oninites said: im gonna take ten to 12 seeds to see how it looks normally without the synthesis then follow up a controlled group study like usual; not very original but we know it will work
Oh my lordy...I don't know where you are buying your seeds, but they must be low quality if it takes that many. The place I get my seeds has been growing their own and the seeds are now so strong only 4 are needed for a trip, with 6 being a strong trip, and 8 makes you lose your mind and pray to God to make the trip end.
Anyone who has yet to try the woodrose seeds, please be careful! Start with only 4 seeds! And make sure to grind them up if you are going to foolishly just eat them instead doing a proper extraction. Unlike LSD, you can't take more LSA and have a better trip -- it only get's more insane and too overwhelming.
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we just need a thread with some pictures that shows that there is a difference in effects...I imagine that there would be seeing as you...
1. grind the woodrose seeds (say 10-24)
2. do a wash like you would some BHO(butane honey oil)
3. keep the seed mush
4. now extract the lsa from the crap using everclear(ebay?) or 200 proof lab grade
5. get lsa crystals, divide into two groups...one pile of lsa goes into experiment #1 other into #2...
#1 will be put into a small amount of sherry wine and put into the freezer for 5 hours to twenty four hours while kept in the fridge
#2 will be put into spring(non chlorinated)water using a PH of 4, for approx five to twenty four hours adding the peppermint extract slowly over the period of time while kept in the fridge pure acetaldehyde would be ideal if it could be confirmed that human consumption would be safe...(sherry wines have 300mg of it??)
note: this should be done under low light conditions..1 candle light would be best if it could be done so as not to destroy any of the compounds...also lemon concentrate would be better used that vinegar as you do not want changes in PH
test the results and compare them to just taking the seeds...I challenge anyone to do this before I do.
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WhereDoUwant2go said: Now does anyone have any figures for exactly how much acetaldehyde is needed? Maybe just some molar calculations would give the answer?
In order to calculate how much acetaldehyde is needed, you'd need to first know the equilibrium constant (Keq) or free energy change of the reaction.
Unless you can dig that up in the literature, it might take some experimentation to figure that out.
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ni all seriousness tho crystal lsa if you never had it in a good dose then you cant compare. tho you could say its more so a combo of lsa/lsh when acid/base extracted
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If you are going to do a non-polar wash, let it totally evaporate. You don't want to smell ANY solvent left in the seed. Unless you want to get high on solvents, which is another ball game. I would let it dry for 2-3 full days. But, I try to plan ahead and pace myself.
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: 04281969]
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on seed? i kinda didnt say it but thought it was kinda self explainitory unless did somewhere along the line 1.grind seed. 2.soak in acid.shake 3.strain seed from acidic solution. 4.add 1/10th amount of naptha not really sure on the exact amount you might need less. shake. 5.seperate and collect acidic solution then disgaurd non polar solution. 6.add base. to bring ph 9-10 stir 7.add non-polar solvent. stir 8.let seperate. 9. collect non-polar solution. disguard basifed solution. 10. evaporate non-polar solution. 11.scrap 12.weight out doses or seperate into equal piles equalivant to the potency of the seeds. consider this more effective at extraction so instead of 4 seed bags of heavenly blue 2 would make a dose. its that much more effective. 13.lick tiny pile of crystal.
some notes would be make sure your using good seeds theres other inactive alkaloids in the seeds with out a doubt i once extracted my friends home grown seeds which yeilded way more extract then it should have for the amount of seed and was very weak.
literaly your pile for a heavey dose should be the size of a acid tab so its really that little amount. so think about when you make a water extraction or alcohol how much of what you drink is actually the stuff. thats why i am always saying make crystals. but shrug the same could be said about dmt or mescaline and i do love my tea and do make tea with lsa seeds too. each to their own.
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Yes, but can't we just assume that we need one mole of acetaldehyde for ever mole of LSA?
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: haze1205]
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I've heard that it is very hard to make/obtain LSH. The substance is supposidly very unstable and can't handle much. I would like to look more into this..
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: colimon]
#7988323 - 02/06/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im not sure if making lsh by adding peppermint oil is a myth or not, i might try it one day.
I ate 5 HBWR last night. As usual no open eye visuals, but i spent most of the trip with my eyes closed. With eyes closed there were the most amazing images going through my mind. Each one was like an intricate work of art. It got pretty intense, i was so high and it just kept going and going for hours and hours until i got a bit overwhelmed. It was pretty awesome, i took three tablets of ginger i got from a vitamin store before i ate them, i had no nausea at all.
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test the results and compare them to just taking the seeds...I challenge anyone to do this before I do.
Hehe, go for it, i said in the other thread i doubt it's stable enough to get into the brain but it's worth a try. Extract sounds like a good idea anyway, when i tried it the effects were promising but the feeling in my stomach even at a low dose was pretty shitty.
An alternative to using wine or peppermint oil as a source of acetaldehyde may be to just get drunk and let your body generate it! That might skew the results slightly though!
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: jizmaster]
#7992556 - 02/07/08 04:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Idea...If acetaldehyde is what is desired, then how about ingesting several coprinus atramentarius, then alcohol and LSA. I know, sounds stupid, but there will be high amounts of acetaldehyde in the body in order to make the conversion. Can't believe this hasn't been mentioned before.
Hmmmm...nah, bad idea. Maybe I'll try it someday...
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: haze1205]
#7992572 - 02/07/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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He means lsa
Fuck trying to trip of morning glory seeds unless your a highschooler with no hookups.
Grow mushrooms over trying to do mess with that crap. LSD is where its at.
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: baraka]
#7992920 - 02/07/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Um never heard of lsh.. LSA on the other hand is considered 1/10th the potentcy of lsd
When I ate 600 MG seeds give or take I was knocked on my ass, along with a deep 16 hour sleep =/
My wife would move me and i wouldnt budge, she'd do everything she could to wake me up
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: Nexius]
#7992935 - 02/07/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I did a rushed LSH thing the other night with 34 HBWR seeds. It entailed drinking a shot and a half of peppermint-flavored everclear. Experienced mild psychedelic effects along with a heart-pounding inebriation from the alcohol... then puked my guts up in the morning while still tripping. Pretty much felt like shit through the whole thing. Not the experience I desired, but I knew what I was getting into when I rushed it and downed a shot and a half of 75% alcohol. The trip was definitely acid-like even through the drunkenness, with the intense vibrating body high and some striking fractal imagery, as well as some contemplation that followed up on my last acid trip. Had a thoughtful, if very groggy, afterglow/hangover. Had a full, delicious breakfast and felt right as rain.
I'm letting the seed mush soak in everclear for a few days now and will try it again when I've gotten the mixture to be much more alkaloid and much less alcohol. I don't know much about chemistry so I'm sort of feeling my way through this, hopefully I will learn from the experience.
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Edited by Tchan909 (02/07/08 06:22 PM)
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: A0999]
#7994665 - 02/08/08 01:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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crap, i haven't seen this one in awhile, the whole lsa lsh lsd conversation, keep it rotating, it can't hurt.... peace
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Tchan909 said: I did a rushed LSH thing the other night with 34 HBWR seeds. It entailed drinking a shot and a half of peppermint-flavored everclear. Experienced mild psychedelic effects along with a heart-pounding inebriation from the alcohol... then puked my guts up in the morning while still tripping. Pretty much felt like shit through the whole thing. Not the experience I desired, but I knew what I was getting into when I rushed it and downed a shot and a half of 75% alcohol. The trip was definitely acid-like even through the drunkenness, with the intense vibrating body high and some striking fractal imagery, as well as some contemplation that followed up on my last acid trip. Had a thoughtful, if very groggy, afterglow/hangover. Had a full, delicious breakfast and felt right as rain.
I'm letting the seed mush soak in everclear for a few days now and will try it again when I've gotten the mixture to be much more alkaloid and much less alcohol. I don't know much about chemistry so I'm sort of feeling my way through this, hopefully I will learn from the experience.
Was it more lsd like than just straight up eating the seeds??
34 seeds is a lot. did you eat all of them?
What im planning on doing eventually is doing a good extraction with rivea to the point where its a clean crystal and not goo. Take that disolve it in strong alcohol and add the peppermint oil. Keep in mind not letting any on this into light or heat as to not destroy the lsa. Then after letting it sit in the dark reacting im going to evap it down were it all can fit in a small dropper type bottle so one dose would be a few drops. Sound good?
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Re: how close lsh is to lsd? [Re: haze1205]
#8950748 - 09/18/08 05:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol...did this work?
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