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OfflineWordlessNature
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The Word
    #7488045 - 10/05/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I understand it is challenging... It is painful for the perspectives of the religious and the individualist to share space. It is hard to remain tolerant of a control system born of those who betrayed us so many thousands of years ago. Before the last fall, such thinking may not have been introduced. But remember that reinforcing separation will only make the war continue on the internal battlefield. This in turn feeds the path of action... There is no judging, only perspective.


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Re: The Word [Re: WordlessNature]
    #7488287 - 10/05/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Understanding that God exists is an unshared assumption.

Pursuing a relationship with God is step one. If one just sits around gazing at one's navel and admiring one's own intellect, no relationship happens.


There is separation between these two parties because one side wants it that way. One side is bent on denying God before they have a chance to meet. Once you've come to have a relationship with God, you don't walk away just to remain open to other possibilities.

The question is, do you want a relationship with God or is it more comfortable to deny God's existence and hide from Him.

Those who wish to hide usually proclaim that they are really the brave ones who are facing reality as it is. But they are being irresponsible by ignoring quite a bit of the evidence.

The sheep that follow halfheartedly are in no better shape than those who outright deny God. The church in this country deserves a bad reputation because of the multitudes of ignorant followers.

Be careful who you listen to in making up your "own" opinions. Those who know how real God is are not shy in voicing it. It's no longer a mere opinion we toy around with.




A time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth. - John 4:23 -4:24


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Re: The Word [Re: palmersc]
    #7488392 - 10/05/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The Word [Re: palmersc]
    #7488437 - 10/05/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

As dogmatic fanaticism ruined us before, it shall again, albeit under a different name. Know who you were yesterday, are today, and have been tomorrow. Accept compassion and knowledge without ascribing it to anyone, including 'God'. Preaching to me is like talking to a river. The water accepts your words but they are swept away in the torrent of experience. More than one life can attest to whether a claim is true or false.


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Re: The Word [Re: WordlessNature]
    #7488538 - 10/05/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

WordlessNature said:
Preaching to me is like talking to a river. The water accepts your words but they are swept away in the torrent of experience.



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"More than one life can attest to whether a claim is true or false."(ca'nt find multi quote)
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted" the chaote wails.  There is more to this than face value. At the proclamation of truth does the eunuch emerge, as the fool carries away the stone of red.
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Re: The Word [Re: lavod]
    #7488591 - 10/05/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Familiar technique, familiar results. Abstract method, novel results. Either way, there are the results...


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Re: The Word [Re: WordlessNature]
    #7489154 - 10/05/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i say potato
you say po-taught-oh
and i kill you for being an infidel

:lol:THERE IS NO SPOON:lol:


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: The Word [Re: leery11]
    #7489169 - 10/05/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:lol: THERE IS NO RELIGION :lol:


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Re: The Word [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7489179 - 10/05/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I can usually comfort myself by thinking
There is something else going on...  out there.....
Sometimes a vortex opens up.

:heartpump:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: The Word [Re: leery11]
    #7489189 - 10/05/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:lol: THERE IS NO RELIGION :lol:


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Re: The Word [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7489213 - 10/05/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The Word [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7489224 - 10/05/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

For all of evolutionary time, information had to travel the slow route through biology – through the bios - before it would be coded into our DNA. Now we had this additional process – which we call the logos, the Word – which was a completely new thing, and not something that the bios had any time prepare for.

Because of that, homo sapiens can be identified by one specific characteristic; we are controlled not by the dictates of the bios, but are dictated by the logos.

From its first recognizable moment, humanity demonstrates an entirely new relationship between bios and logos. Information, freed from its need to be embedded in the slow, dense vehicle of our DNA, speeds up 10-million-fold.

This renegotiation of power, between the previously unchallenged bios and the brand-new logos was not something that the bios was prepared for.

Most likely immediately, the bios was overwhelmed by the logos. The natural environment of the first humans was entirely and utterly replaced by a symbol-driven environment.

The post-modern philosophers claim that this is a new thing, that the Disneyification of the world has overloaded the natural world with the mediasphere. But this isn’t a new thing, even if our recognition of it is; as long as shaman and storytellers have been spinning myths that tell us who and what we are, the world ceased to exist as nature, and became a linguistic element in the story of homo sapiens.

However – and this is the second most important point I want to make today – the logos has its own teleology, its own entelechy, its own drive to some final dwell-state.

- Marc Pesce


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Re: The Word [Re: WordlessNature]
    #7577028 - 10/30/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

have you heard? the word is love.


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Re: The Word [Re: gbeatle]
    #7577053 - 10/30/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thank God.

For awhile there I though it was OBEY.


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Re: The Word [Re: Middleman]
    #7577117 - 10/30/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

sometimes they tell you to obey love, but it's all lies.
love don't cotton to blind subservience.


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Re: The Word [Re: Clean]
    #7580475 - 10/31/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The only word is

WORKS

By that you shall know them.


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Re: The Word [Re: eve69]
    #7688589 - 11/27/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"God has no religion" - Timothy Francis Leary, PhD.
"I am that I am" - YHVH, The Book Of Genesis
"God is a concept by which we measure our pain" - John Lennon
"God is dead, and we have killed him" - F. Neitzche (some see this as speaking about our morality)
"Suffer the little children unto me, and forbid them not. For such is the Kingdom of Heaven" - Jesus Christ

God lies in our thoughts and our actions. We exist as much as God. Everything we think and do, God thinks and does. Everything God thinks and does, we do.

Aum. Ha.


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Re: The Word [Re: Oi2Life]
    #7688877 - 11/28/07 12:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

All this is great eh....

On paper it seems like a wonderland.

But what meaningless words, they can be for me, out there - on the silent awkward bus rides, out there in there in the stares of someone who seems empty, projecting it into you.

What are these words, but a figment of what we really experience.

Lovely arent they, even these are painless, until you realize the gravity of the situation. Down and out - children like we.

STARVE and watch their children die from the lack of a some bread or some spaghetti - as I speak our sugar coated empty words, covering up who i am, to blind myself of what i have become and from what it takes to become what i am becoming.

Who is this.

Where do i go.

Food is all i know.

Love is what comforts destructive coarse.

Emptiness is always the foundation for fullness.

What is there to do. Right now.

Im am going to send you love through, without doubting how.
:heart:

What will heal those who starve, when there are those among us who sufficate in the pressure of the paradigms of virtue.

What will heal the world?



In a world where most people walk by pretending that people who they
do not ‘know’, don’t know exist.

What will heal it.

Is there any hope for the millions starving and dieng from things that are seen as ordinary, if most of the people in our world, walk around in a fixated, defensive trance, unable to acknowledge the person the walk by on the street.
What will heal the problem of starvation?

Where do you stand, on being the object of someones, inexistence?

I stand, firmly, I say, but deep down, I feel empty, like I have been robbed. Robbed of the experience of the universe, robbed of me. But there cant be an experience of what you are without, the experience of what you are not, I say…but still I feel like healing, like healing.

What will heal the world?
What are we?
When there are those among us who starve because they fear being treated like inexistent, who literally starve purposefully, to find love come into their lives.

What are we, when some of us look at others like a shirt in the window of a store…checking if it by chance would say 50% discount on all merchandise.

What are we when we sit here a observe this and deem it a waste of  a life as a low life.
What are we?

What are we when we look into the eyes of a baby…do we sit and wonder about the babies character…conversating in our heads about the indifference of its eyes. Looking at you as inseperable from everything else, yet distinct enough to focus on.

What are we when we look back at it with indifference, to a baby, what do we see in the baby, in what we are then and who are we now, if we can know what we would do?


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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.

And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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Re: The Word [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7691207 - 11/28/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

In the beginning was the Turd
And the Turd was with God
And the Turd was God
And without the Turd nothing was made.

Celestial poop. :rasta:


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Re: The Word [Re: Oi2Life]
    #7691714 - 11/28/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i opened this post thinking you were going to talk about vocalization and the extent of its effect on the fabric of our world? the verbal hologram... resonance, waves, kite sailing- ah well. every religion combined is know religion at all?


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