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Dunking and rolling + Other Q's
    #7487791 - 10/05/07 09:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Dunking and Rolling

Well I know that you should take the colonized cakes and submerge them in water and put the in the fridge for 24 hours, but after this do you just take them out and roll them around in verm. and the put the in the FC? Or do you put them in the FC directly.

Also I would think that if you put something in water for 24h or even less it would just mix into the water and you would get a slosh of colonized cakes and water.

The questions below have pretty much been answered, I only really need an opinion/suggestion on the question above.
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Crumbling Stalled Jars

Well I inoculated 10 jars (PF Tek), 3 got got contaminated, 4 are fully ready, 3 have stalled.

Now these spores have been through hell and back so I am amazed I even got this far. The jars have been sitting about a month in an incubator.

So I was wondering which would be better:
A). Take stalled jars, PC a new large jar, put stalled jars into large jar and hope it finishes.

B). Take a tray, put some verm. on the bottom, crumble cakes inside tray, put some verm. on top.

C)????

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Casings

Also I am planning on doing a casing sometime soon and from what I understand this is basically what you do:

1.Use WBS/Rye in jars and PC it
2.Inoculate WBS/Rye jars
3.Shake periodically in order to make the mycelium colonize all of the jars
4.Get straw and some other nutritions things (home made compost in my case)
5.Once jars have fully colonized, mix the colonized WBS/Rye with the straw/compost
6.Put new mixture in FC

I am most likely sure I am missing something or screwing up in steps 6 and 7.


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Re: Crumbeling Stalled Jars + Other Q's [Re: magixx]
    #7487866 - 10/05/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

From what I've heard with stalled jars if you intend to birth them, just cut off the part that hasnt been colonized yet. Then case them in a separate container from the rest, just in case something went wrong that you don't know about.

Although some will tell you to ditch them because 'the mycelium stalled for a reason' to which I say, if you grow it separately from the rest you might end up with something when thought you'd get nothing, and there's no risk to the rest of the grow.


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Re: Crumbeling Stalled Jars + Other Q's [Re: magixx]
    #7487868 - 10/05/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ok I don't know much about stalled jars. as far as I know if they stall they're done for. with the rye/wbs thing you forgot giving the substrate time to colonize. then casing and waiting for that to colonize. then putting that in the fc. just find a good tek and fallow all of the steps don't cut any corners


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Re: Crumbeling Stalled Jars + Other Q's [Re: xhooliganx]
    #7492848 - 10/06/07 10:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

And what about dunking and rolling?


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Re: Crumbeling Stalled Jars + Other Q's [Re: DigitalNomad]
    #7493530 - 10/07/07 03:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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From what I've heard with stalled jars if you intend to birth them, just cut off the part that hasnt been colonized yet. Then case them in a separate container from the rest, just in case something went wrong that you don't know about.

Although some will tell you to ditch them because 'the mycelium stalled for a reason' to which I say, if you grow it separately from the rest you might end up with something when thought you'd get nothing, and there's no risk to the rest of the grow.




yup been there done that and it worked out just fine>>

I think sometimes the brf just doesnt get mixed in just right with the verma nd it has no substrate to colonize


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Re: Crumbeling Stalled Jars + Other Q's [Re: Vegan]
    #7493587 - 10/07/07 04:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Many people have succesfully used stalled jars. Ofcoarse there could be a reason for them stalling but bot all bad.

Mix was too thick in that part of the jar, or too wet/dry or co2 build

or it could be a contam.

It should smell distinctly earthy mushroom. but be carefull about smelling suspect jars.

It should be fine to cut the uncolinised part of and crumble and case and keep it seperate from the fully colinised cakes just incase.


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Re: Crumbeling Stalled Jars + Other Q's [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7501761 - 10/09/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok I updated the first post as I got no answers for the dunking and rolling question.


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Re: Crumbeling Stalled Jars + Other Q's [Re: magixx]
    #7502013 - 10/09/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you can dunk, or dunk and roll. I tried both and rolling definitely makes a difference. To dunk just take the cake out of the jar (it will be hard and sturdy if its colonized)and rinse out the jar with any dry verm left in it. Put the cake back into the jar and fill it with water; put the top back on and place in a cool dark place. (tap water works fine).

As far as the stalled jars..
Take them and shake em up a bit till the cake loosens itself from the sides of the jar. I like to knock the bottom and top of the jar to do this. Flip them upside down and put em back in the incubator. They should start to finish colonizing soon after.
Good luck!

...also no your cake will not crumble when the water is added. The cake should be nice and solid if its finished colonizing.


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Re: Crumbeling Stalled Jars + Other Q's [Re: ImaWonderwall]
    #7502076 - 10/09/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Also, once you've rolled the cake in dry verm, let it rest for a while (60+ minutes) to let the dry verm "bond" with the cake. Then you can mist it softly and it will take up the water without getting blown off as much. I don't know why this wait helps but it does. Once I saw this idea on RR's video I tried it and MUCH more of my verm stayed on when I wet it with the sprayer.


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