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Gtr Manchester UK - Libs?
    #7487572 - 10/05/07 07:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hi guys Ive been out and about this morning on my first ever hunt. Im pretty sure Ive got some libs but unsure on a few.

First of all this is the kind of area I was searching

[url=http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/07-40/159159671-DSC00166.jpg][image]http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/07-40/159159671-thumb_DSC00166.jpg[/image][/url]





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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487579 - 10/05/07 07:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Mmm - not sure how to post pictures which may cause a problem :laugh:


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487582 - 10/05/07 07:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Try again!
[image][/image]


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: Fahkface]
    #7487596 - 10/05/07 07:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Cheers Mufti - think Ive got it now

I think these are definitely libs[image][/image]


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487601 - 10/05/07 07:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Try again!
[image][/image]




I believe the first one is a hill. It's a nice hill.

The second one also looks like a hill although its harder to tell. Definitely some sort of mountain-like thing. Do a hill print to make sure.


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487602 - 10/05/07 07:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Not so sure about these though. Ive numbered them 1 - 4. I think some may be older libs but Im not sure :[image][/image]


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: undergrounder]
    #7487605 - 10/05/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Edit:

There we go...

Don't know. Def. not numbers 3 and 4, Maybe 1 and/or 2.

You printing them all up?


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487607 - 10/05/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Haha cheers for the ID underground any help on the others?


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487620 - 10/05/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I thought the same about 1 - 4 - do they always have to be pointy or can they have a 'dome'? Ill post some close ups of 1 + 2.

Also do you agree with me on the first pic? Im pretty sure they are libs. Ive only ever seen them dried before so Im not exactly an expert.


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487623 - 10/05/07 08:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Now all your pics are coming up,

You can see some of them are kind of pointy but others stay less-so.

Those whitish stemmed ones look the goods, i think i can see some blueing? but sriously what do i know i live on the other side of the world. You probably know better than me.

Just be sure to print them all up if you want to make sure.


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487626 - 10/05/07 08:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

On the second pic I think the top left group are Stropharia semiglobata. The others don't look too much like liberty caps either.
Check these pics and compare:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7484301/an/0/page/0

Also, have you done any sporeprints?


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487636 - 10/05/07 08:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Close up of 1[image][/image]


Close up of 2[image][/image]


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487641 - 10/05/07 08:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Im pretty sure that these ones are :[image][/image]


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487642 - 10/05/07 08:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

there may be one or two libs in there, the rest are not.


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7487645 - 10/05/07 08:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

btw: both the species u have in those pics, i find growing with liberty caps on a regular basis... although im not sure exactly wot they are.


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487648 - 10/05/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Im pretty sure that these ones are :[image][/image]




Yeah that's the pic i was referring to.

It might be the colour but i think i can see some blue feet in there.


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: undergrounder]
    #7487659 - 10/05/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

there are a few in that pic, my previous posts were referring to the other pics.

spaceman: u need to learn to separate them into species groups... i cant be bothered to go through your pics and circle the ones i guess are the libs...


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7487703 - 10/05/07 08:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Youve confused the hell out of me. Lots of LBM everywhere.
I can see a few libs, but most are not.

Need some clearer photos spaceman.
The ones without nipples you should remove completely. then post some decent photos and an ID request.


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: blacksun]
    #7487718 - 10/05/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hi uarewotueat

I thought I had split them into species. When you say some are libs and some are not, I presume you mean some are pointy and some are rounded ( referring to my definite pic ). When I picked them I would find say a group of 5-6 in a very small area and half would be pointed and half not. Therefore I presumed that they were the same species as they were identical in every other way.

Anyway at least I got some, so its not too bad for a first try. I only looked for a couple of hours and spent alot of the time sat in the field stoned - it was a gorgeous day for it! :laugh:


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487729 - 10/05/07 09:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry blacksun - didn't mean to confuse you :laugh:

So basically i should separate any with pointy bits even if they are different colours and sizes?


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487813 - 10/05/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

[image][/image]

Hopefully this helps - Ive sorted the shrooms so that all the pointy ones are together


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487832 - 10/05/07 09:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The ones at the bottom look like libs,
though the pic isn't that clear...

Take spore prints.


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7487859 - 10/05/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Cheers ego death
When ever I bought shrooms theyve looked like the ones at the bottom but they have always been dried so its hard to tell for certain - Ill look into taking spore prints - ive not done it before


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7487961 - 10/05/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Although your pics are good, in order to tell apart a lot of mushrooms you need to know things like how the gills attach to the stem or tiny colour markings on the cap, whether the stem is hollow, pith-filled, tenuous or full or even how the mushrooms grew (in clusters, alone or thick clumps) and exactly what they grew on.

For info like that you need to provide a full ID description, following the rules at the top of the thread list, or the more complicated version here. If not a description, then high quality closeup photos of the gills, cap, stem-base.

Frankly it's not THAT hard to figure out liberty caps although with lots of similar looking ones like you have its probably a good idea. People get tetchy considering how many ID requests there are and how few people actually give a thorough request.

Personally i wouldn't use the pointiness of the caps as a definitive guide, best to use a combination of things, including spore print colour, stem colour, stem attachment and any blueing. It's good you separated according to roughly where you found them.

MOST importantly is to spore print all of the 'maybe' candidates. It's the single best way of separating them.

I'd print up all of batch 1, 2 and the ones you initially thought looked like libs, or all of the ones in that last photo. Not saying they're all libs, but you're covering your bases. THEN discard anything that comes up straight black or brown. You're looking for purplish, maybe purplish/brown or purplish/black but the key factor is purple tone.

After that post up what's left and include some close up shots of the gills and the base of the stems. Other mushrooms CAN have purplish prints but most look fairly different in detail.

Although experienced people can get away with visual IDs after a while, most of us like you and me have to print and describe everything in detail for a while to make sure.


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: undergrounder]
    #7488060 - 10/05/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the advice undergrounder.

I did prints and batch 1 came up purple batch 2 black. 3 and 4 are already in the bin. The ones that i thought were libs at first are too small and dry now to do a print, but Im sure theyre libs - they look exactly like the ones Ive bought in the past and the 'nipple' is even more pronounced now they are dry.

I reckon ill neck em tonight and see what happens :laugh:

Anyway a bit off topic but here some other shrooms I saw while I was out and about. I didnt pick these as Im sure theyre not active, but they looked nice ! :smile:[image][/image][image][/image][image][/image]



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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7488190 - 10/05/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The ones on the upper left are Panaeolus. They should have a black print and are inactive or weakly active, and non-toxic almost for sure.

The ones on the upper right are Stropharia semiglobata, inactive.

The ones in the bottom row could be libterty caps, get some more of the same species and see what color the spore print comes out.


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Re: Gtr Manchester UK - Libs? [Re: spaceman3]
    #7488472 - 10/05/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Hopefully this helps - Ive sorted the shrooms so that all the pointy ones are together




much better, there are still one or two imposters in that bottom line, but the majority appear to be correct.
the one third from right looks as if it belongs in the top left pile though.
better pics needed to be sure...


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