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woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! * 1
    #7486155 - 10/04/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Do you hunt wavy caps, azures, subaeruginosas and similar mushrooms that grow on wood? Please read my Woodlover Smoothie TEK with an open mind.

It shows you how you can directly use fresh mushrooms you have hunted to create woodchip spawn, which you later can use to spread the mushrooms in the wild or even your garden.

But!

You will need NO pressure cooker or other special apparatus or ingredients. There are NO complex procedures, this TEK is really a no-brainer.

If you think "cultivation" is not your thing because of all the complexities involved, you can opt to simply "grow" them instead, in a way thats as easy as growing a plant.
If you've given up on cultivation, try this instead :thumbup:


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Asante]
    #7487122 - 10/05/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A few things sound a little weird to me, when reading this...

Why should I use sterilized water or bleach water when I use "dirty" wood chips? Sure bleach kills quiet a few spores and stuff but endospores won't be killed by it, I guess. And even if they did, when you use wild -and most likely quiet dirty- mushrooms and drip the solution all over the -now let's pretend the wood chips actually ARE sterile now- wood chips, they'll pretty likely get contaminated by it.

Please don't take my words as a try of disproof the functionality of your technique (I've never tried it, so I can't tell), but these are questions that appear to me, when I read it :smile:

And wouldn't it be a lot easier if you just soak wood chips over night and mix it up with a little mycelium you took from one of your patches? You wouldn't even have to do it inside but just directly infect a bed of woodchips with "stolen" myc. I guess you wouldn't even have to take much with you...


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Fahkface]
    #7487240 - 10/05/07 02:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm guessing a lot of it is luck.  :shrug:

Sometimes you fuck everything up, with total disregard for sterility, and yet the mushroom just takes off!  Other times, you do EVERYTHING precisely, and it gets teh trich.

I see the benefit of the tek, since all my equipment is currently in storage, and all my grows are outdoors.  This seems like a good idea, and i have done this same sort of thing with past-prime morels, but if i have some colonized spawn, i'd opt for that.

Who knows, i might try it out anyway.  Just got to wait for some flushing!


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: CureCat]
    #7487325 - 10/05/07 02:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah making woodlover spawn is easy. Just forget about any cleaning whatsoever, including washing the woodchips and colonise the myc in a box with a lid that you let dry out totally every once in a while.

Your tek sounds similar to spawning from a simple LC except without the honey.

How long does it take? Straight spore water to chips would take a while to kick off i'd imagine, to LC or BRF cake first would speed it up if adding a little complication.

Although for QUICK spawn i've found BRF cakes best.

Why mix in the fresh mushrooms, why not just wash off a spore print into water and eat the mushrooms? :shroomer:





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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: undergrounder]
    #7487345 - 10/05/07 03:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

When you mix in the mushrooms, you mix in mushroom mycelium. the mycelium has a headstart and has much more chance to survive then ungerminated spores. you can also use the older less appetizing mushrooms for your inoculation smoothy and have the fresh ones for dinner :mushroom2:


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: kaal-kopje]
    #7487348 - 10/05/07 03:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Les appetizing ones is good :smile:
They all taste like REALLY, REALLY old walnut to me anyway, so it doesn't make any difference between new and old :smile:


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: kaal-kopje]
    #7487360 - 10/05/07 04:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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When you mix in the mushrooms, you mix in mushroom mycelium. the mycelium has a headstart and has much more chance to survive then ungerminated spores. you can also use the older less appetizing mushrooms for your inoculation smoothy and have the fresh ones for dinner :mushroom2:




You mean from the stipe base? You mean you rip out those poor little mushrooms from their family? Razorblade - a quick death.

You could just snip off the stipe bases unless i'm missing something


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: undergrounder]
    #7487700 - 10/05/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Undergrounder, I used to preach cutting not pulling mushrooms, yet, from my personal observation, i've come to the conclusion that pulling (wiggle them out-take care not to dislodge the surrounding mycelium) is actually better for the patch.  This is because the organism will usually not form new pins near rotting material such as stem bases, however, if there is a gap in the mycelium, it tends to want to fill it in with something, and because there is already strong active mycelium in that spot, they sometimes fruit from that location again.

Also, if you are going to pull, please do your part to spread the mycelium.  Whatever you clean from the base, use to inoculate woodchips, or cardboard.  :smile:


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: CureCat]
    #7489160 - 10/05/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

this sounds like a good tech. my main goael this eason is getting some spawn started in backwoodsy locations. also using the "buts" of the stems works well for propagation


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Fahkface]
    #7489441 - 10/05/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Why should I use sterilized water or bleach water when I use "dirty" wood chips? Sure bleach kills quiet a few spores and stuff but endospores won't be killed by it, I guess. And even if they did, when you use wild -and most likely quiet dirty- mushrooms and drip the solution all over the -now let's pretend the wood chips actually ARE sterile now- wood chips, they'll pretty likely get contaminated by it.





A bleachwater soak surely doesn't get it all, but it is absolute carnage on bacteria and mold spores that may be present in the wood.

If you're going to soak the chips anyway (most people here would buy their chips and these need to be soaked) why not add a bit of bleach and kill 999/1000 contams that may be in the wood?

The goal is pasteurization, not sterilization.


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And wouldn't it be a lot easier if you just soak wood chips over night and mix it up with a little mycelium you took from one of your patches? You wouldn't even have to do it inside but just directly infect a bed of woodchips with "stolen" myc. I guess you wouldn't even have to take much with you...




If you make a woodlover smoothie, you make a little mycelium go a loooong way. The smoothie is basically like ink: everything it touches will be inoculated by it, whereas a small piece of underground mycelium can be broken into 1000 pieces tops.


This TEK is convenient for hunters, because they have access to fresh mushrooms which they can identify. But also for cultivators its convenient as you don't have to damage the patch and a little goes such a long way.

Woodlovers often become unappetizing when they are older. In this state they are ideal for this purpose.


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I'm guessing a lot of it is luck.




Woodchips are a very contam-resistant substrate. With grain this method is almost doomed to fail because its so contam prone, but with woodchips one has a fighting chance.

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i have done this same sort of thing with past-prime morels




Curecat, please tell more about this!


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Yeah making woodlover spawn is easy. Just forget about any cleaning whatsoever, including washing the woodchips and colonise the myc in a box with a lid that you let dry out totally every once in a while.




Would that work? Omitting the pasteurization?

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Your tek sounds similar to spawning from a simple LC except without the honey.




Basically it is a liquid culture inoculation, but then from the wild.

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Why mix in the fresh mushrooms, why not just wash off a spore print into water and eat the mushrooms?




Using mushroom mycelium gives the cultivation a head start over the contam spores there may be. Mushroom spores on wood often take a long time to germinate, but chunks of mycelium basically start growing the moment they touch the wood.


If you have an ounce of fresh mushrooms and blenderize the living daylights out of it, you are dividing it into over a quarter of a million microscopic shreds. All these shreds will touch wood and start growing. When mycelia meet, they join forces. As a second wave of colonization, in case the first wave fails, there also are millions of spores in that liquid. If you throw fresh mushrooms in a blender with ten parts water an mix this well with wood, it will be a very heavy inoculation indeed.


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Asante]
    #7489657 - 10/05/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I am really interested in this little idea your pushing... unfortunately it won't let me read the tek when click the link. I assume you take some wood soak it in bleachy water and then blend it to hell with some fresh mushrooms or mycelium, is this right or am I thinking up nonsense?


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Federal_Monkey] * 1
    #7489687 - 10/05/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

OK< your post count is too low, you can't get in yet.
Here's the post with the TEK:

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Last year I had an idea for a cultivation of woodlovers that absolutely begged to be put to the test. I have put it to the test, and I succeeded.

There was NO sterile technique.
There was NO agar.
There was NO grain.
There was NO Pressure Cooking.
There was NO oven heating.

And yet I succeeded. I am now the proud owner of a storage box with 15 liters bright white, strongly rhizomorphic Psilocybe cyanescens mycelium, with that special mycelial odor I have come to love so much.
What did I do?

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WOODLOVER SMOOTHIE TEK


1..soak the right kinds of dried woodchips in desinfecting water for three hours.

You can prepare this solution easily by adding 100ml household bleach (5% sodium hypochlorite without additives) to 10 liters of water. Don't worry, it's what they use in swimming pools and in commercial edible mushroom cultivation.

2..leach the woodchips for several hours to get rid of excess moisture.

3..take fresh woodlover mushrooms, add ten parts of water and blenderize it to a "woodlover smoothie". Your goal is to create a suspension of very fine mycelium bits and spores in the water, so blenderize for a full minute, even when the job seems done in 15 seconds. You are creating a very heavy mycelial inoculant in a liquid that has as much spores as spore syringe fluid. I used 30gr fresh Psilocybe cyanescens mushrooms in 300ml water to inoculate 15 liters of soaked woodchips.

4..spread out the woodchips and sprinkle the mycelial solution over it, turning it regularly with very clean hands or gloves. Your goal is to get a dab of the mycelium/spore inoculant on every bit of wood. When you are done, keep mixing up the woodchips because the inoculated chips will rub off mycelium onto the untreated chips.

5..put the woodchips into a plastic storage box and cover it with a sheet of plastic which you fasten with clothespins. It should breathe, but not let dust fall in. Store this in the dark at room temperature. The woodchips will colonize in the usual time of a spawn inoculation.

There you have it! With woodlover mushrooms you collect in the wild you can very easily create loads upon loads of mycelium. Once the mycelium has colonized the woodchips, you can use one part of this spawn to inoculate five parts of moistened woodchips.

A couple of small woodlover mushrooms inoculate a storage box, a storage box inoculates a thrashcan and a thrashcan full of spawn can be used to inoculate several gardens and wild patches.

This TEK can be used on any scale. You can inoculate a few jars with one tiny mushroom you found, or load up a supersoaker water gun and guerilla-inoculate a whole mulched park :grin:

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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Asante]
    #7489752 - 10/05/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

since I don't have woodlovers here, other than gyms, I can't try this out. I would love to attempt such a thing at least for an experiment, to see if such mushrooms could be introduced, at least for one season, into the area, but I would have to start with spores, into an LC, then into pasturized woodchips, then into the wild, and at that point, I might as well do a grow myself, then try this tek with a portion of my successful grow.

but if I did live somewhere that this would be practical, I'd be Johnny Mushroomspore... there wouldn't be a woodchip pile that didn't have my mark on it.


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Asante]
    #7489860 - 10/05/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So, I really like your idea, and might put it to use. A few questions.

In step number 2, How do I go about leaching the woodchips of moisture?

If I buy a spore syringe, for instance of cyans or azures, is there any way to form the mycellium enough so I can without too much hassle continue to follow on this process? (if this is a stupid Q, please forgive me)

Also, If I start this now, will I have fruiting within a couple months? can you do this any time of the year? does it have to be a certain temp?

Do I have to spray it every now and then? How about adding nutrients?

I really like your idea.


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7490521 - 10/06/07 05:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Would that work? Omitting the pasteurization?




Yeah, never washed woodchips, never had a problem. I think i saw a few spots of lipstick mold once but they were from the air because they were only on the top. I just picked out the pieces with the lipstick mold.

I have half a dozen boxes full of myc from dirty chips right now.

I'd imagine though that you'd have more mold problems if you fully enclosed the chips and gave them too much humidity for too long.

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Using mushroom mycelium gives the cultivation a head start over the contam spores there may be. Mushroom spores on wood often take a long time to germinate, but chunks of mycelium basically start growing the moment they touch the wood.


If you have an ounce of fresh mushrooms and blenderize the living daylights out of it, you are dividing it into over a quarter of a million microscopic shreds. All these shreds will touch wood and start growing. When mycelia meet, they join forces. As a second wave of colonization, in case the first wave fails, there also are millions of spores in that liquid. If you throw fresh mushrooms in a blender with ten parts water an mix this well with wood, it will be a very heavy inoculation indeed.




I underdtand this but i didn't think the mushrooms themselves would spawn myc, just the bases where the myc is still attached. So unless i'm just totally wrong, wouldn't you only need to add the stipe bases and if you like, the spores from a spore print? - Saving the mushrooms for yourself?

If you take the middle section of a mushroom stipe that has NO mycelium attached at the base and blend it and stick it in agar or whatever would myc spread from the stipe?


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    #7490779 - 10/06/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I am very interested in woodlovers but live in central Tx. Is it worth trying them indoors?


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: robanero]
    #7490854 - 10/06/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i´m up to natural grow of psilocybe or a more easy way , since nature does it , why can´t we replicate the process, of course not always in nature you find active in right habitat or wood chips or , cow pie in case of cubensis, but it could be done we have seem PinheadX good example of natural grow of cubensis of course in right climate, you can grow all the one that fit more easy your outdoors bed, or maybe try to simulate the environment we have seem inski plants and zeewerp, the details of workman , and how maybe is reproducing this specie over there, also i have some sort of luck with villareallii, so far i´m trying more with more species, now that i have more free time will try to open the Wall that separate us from the easy outdoor technique for many species, i guess some species that are difficult to get indoor are more easy outdoor,like semilanceata,baeo, stuntzii,striptipes,and more as all the Mexican and other world species, we need to investigate more, do you have more pictures of your technique , showing how the miceliun grow more faster that if you put the base of the stem, i see no need to blender's then only if it work more that the base mycelium in card boar, i guess card board method was more effective, but maybe you can probe wrong i trow mushrooms, base of stem , spores, contaminated mycelium to compost piles of wood, and sawdust , and as i tell you it grow once for 2 years, now this can be done, but i no see need of use chlorine if mycelium grow in plain wood chips, also the mycelium of cyanescens can take contamination and will take over it i have seem it even in a warn climate, like mine, but mycelium is the same carpophoro i mean the same fruit body is mycelium just it become modified in the reproductive process and mitosis that produce spores , that why is agar culture you can clone it from a piece of tissue, because is Michelin i understand that, what you mean to do it to make clones in natural forms , but is the same as in agar , OK that cool , but does it been probe to be more effective that , card board technique, , hope to see some feed back


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: cactu]
    #7490928 - 10/06/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

rob: Woodlovers are a pinch to grow lots of mycelium spawn but a lot harder to fruit indoors. You need to artificially bring the temperature down below 10 degrees C (45F?) for a period AND keep up humidity AND provide fresh air AND give at least 8 - 12 hours of light to induce fruiting.

Basically you need to do everything you would for cubensis but in the fridge. And unless you setup a UV light or something inside, you'll need a fridge with a glass door, or you might be able to succeed by bringing them out of the fridge during the day in a cool spot.

cactu: So tissue culture, not a gill culture but a midway piece of stem will spread myc?

The blender breaks up the mycelium into smaller parts that each spread, effectively spreading faster than a single stipe base from a single spot. That's the theory anyway.

Also the cardboard tek is SLOW. I've tried both numerous times and I THOROUGHLY reccommend using BRF cakes to grow woodlover myc, it grows at a similar speed to cubensis. It is by far the quickest way to grow lots of woodlover spawn.

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    #7490933 - 10/06/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, never washed woodchips, never had a problem.





Excellent, that simplifies the method further still :thumbup:


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I underdtand this but i didn't think the mushrooms themselves would spawn myc, just the bases where the myc is still attached. So unless i'm just totally wrong, wouldn't you only need to add the stipe bases and if you like, the spores from a spore print? - Saving the mushrooms for yourself?





Any part of the organism can be used to clone the organism, a bit like in the movie The Thing, which I was watching when the idea hit me. In essence a mushroom is mycelium too, so a piece of mushroom grows just as well on a substrate as a piece of underground mycelium.

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If you take the middle section of a mushroom stipe that has NO mycelium attached at the base and blend it and stick it in agar or whatever would myc spread from the stipe?




The thing is, with Agar this will probably fail. Why this works with wood chips (and probably compost) is because this substrate is very contam resistant. If your part of stipe and the smoothie you make of it is free of other organisms you could suck it into syringes and use it to inoculate whatever you want.

But the purpose of this TEK is not agar or grain.. It is intended to enable woodlover hunters, who may be intimidated by the ins and outs of conventional mushroom cultivation, to grow their own woodlovers using techniques no more difficult than ordinary gardening. Hunters have access to mushrooms and to locations where these mushrooms will thrive. With this simple technique they can assure themselves of a plentiful supply of mushrooms in the coming years, and help the spread of our beloved mushrooms in the wild. In addition to that, a cultivator may opt for this technique to expand on his grow.

You could teach the Woodlover Smoothie TEK to a 10yo, and as a firm believer in simplicity I feel there should be TEKs around that are true no-brainers and require no special apparatus.
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Asante]
    #7490940 - 10/06/07 10:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Roger. :shroomer: That's wicked. Chalk another amazing fact up to mushrooms.

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    #7490941 - 10/06/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Also the cardboard tek is SLOW. I've tried both numerous times and I THOROUGHLY reccommend using BRF cakes to grow woodlover myc, it grows at a similar speed to cubensis. It is by far the quickest way to grow lots of woodlover spawn.




BRF cakes have high speed, this is a great virtue and I'll be the last one to rag on conventional cultivation techniques. But my Woodlover Smoothie TEK, though slower, has simplicity and this is also a great virtue. No pressure cooking, no painstaking sterile technique, just gardening techniques to mimick the spread of mushrooms as it occurs in the wild. Many people are put off by the technicalities and cost of conventional cultivation.
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Asante]
    #7490968 - 10/06/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

this thread is great. im trying to work out my own tech right now. i dont think washing the wood chips is that big of a deal yo just gotta make sure there "ripe".
iv read one tech, the lasanya tech, or somthing. that is like a layered card board wood and mcelium hole. it forms a pretty sollid hold for a whole big family :grin: im gonna try to have a few secret comunial patches hidden in the widerness up north.


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: notapillow]
    #7491350 - 10/06/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hi, just hoping someone could answer my questions. are my Q's stupid or something?


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7491567 - 10/06/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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In step number 2, How do I go about leaching the woodchips of moisture?




It depends on the quantity you're working with. It can be as simple as filling a pillowcase with wet woodchips and hanging it on a rope for a few hours, or fastening the pilowcase over the open end of your container and putting it on it's side with something under the side so all water will leach out. If you are cultivating on a semi-commercial scale you can make a plateau from a few cinderblocks and a chain linked fence (with frame), cover it with sheets and put your wet chips on that.

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If I buy a spore syringe, for instance of cyans or azures, is there any way to form the mycellium enough so I can without too much hassle continue to follow on this process? (if this is a stupid Q, please forgive me)




If you buy spore syringes, you might as well make "PF cakes" using the "PF TEK". You can learn how on This Page in the words of our own admin Anno. Then when these cakes have fully grown shut, crumble them and mix with leached or fresh hardwood chips.

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Also, If I start this now, will I have fruiting within a couple months? can you do this any time of the year? does it have to be a certain temp?




These are mushrooms that grow in autumn. Its autumn now so you can probably only get mushrooms next autumn. Now is a good time to cultivate though. If you start now (early october) you can have a load of PF jars ready in early december, take these to woodchip spawn in boxes indoors until about early April, and then, weather permitting, use these whitened woodchips to start one or several outdoor beds which might just start forming mushrooms around this time next year. These outdoor beds require virtually no care if you make them right (I never had to water mine) and year after year they will give you a supply of some of the strongest and most pleasurable shrooms in the world.

Cyans are NOTHING like Cubies, the common shroom. Those from my outdoor bed consistently are 2.5-3.5x as strong as cubies, so that one gram can be as strong as 1/8oz of shrooms you buy.

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can you do this any time of the year?




Start now! but the cultivation can be started any time of the year.

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does it have to be a certain temp?




Outdoors it has to be moist and between 5-10'C (40-50'F) for them to fruit. In temperate zones this usually means autumn. Frost stops the fruiting, but it takes a few weeks of hardcore freezer frost to kill the mycelium.

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Do I have to spray it every now and then?




If it stays damp but not overly wet or dry, as little as possible of direct sun and not too hot or cold it will thrive. Last year I watered my outdoor patch with the garden hose. Once woodlovers have taken posession of the wood, they are by no means fragile, woodlovers on wood are diehard survivors.

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How about adding nutrients?




No need. Give woodlovers the right kinds of wood and they are happy. Adding nutrients may backfire as they might make the substrate more susceptible to contaminants.


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my observations [Re: Asante]
    #7491782 - 10/06/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

mild bleach/water solution is a killer to bacteria and molds and yet psilocybe mycelia seem to be fairly tollerant of what little remains residualy in bleach pasteurized wood which has subsequently been dried.

cyans which are growing from wood can easily be pulled out with care and little damage to the patch if one puts two fingers down on the wood/mulch at the base to hold it down as one pulls them out. a healthy and robust stipe base is generaly pulled free, which would otherwise die off, rot and present a possible vector to further competitive or pathogenic organisms. these stipe bases are dense and robust, and if one where not aiming to make spawn, add at the least a small but appreciable quantity to your collections. waste not, want not.

when one emulsifies a surface exposed tissue from a mushroom in water, they introduce all surface contaminations into anaerobic conditions, which promote bacteria, now evenly dispursed throughout the inoculum to flourish, giving such bacteria even footing with the intended organism, at least during the period following inoculation, and conditions continuing to be supportive as long as the spawn remains very moist.

P. cyanescens are aggressive, tollerant of dry conditions and in somewhat dry conditions, will out colonize such molds as i have encountered in the course of guerrilla spawn grneration. they seem also able to survive almost complete drought conditions that can kill off a mold colony completely. in this later case, the mushroom colony will need a period to reactivate vegetatice growth from many vectors of surviving hyphae [i'm assuming it's vegetative hyphae and not some stromal or sclerotial type of structure] whereas the mold is reduced to beginning again from spores. bacteria seem even less tollerant to dry conditions.

my conclusions are that P. cyanescens spawn, not generated under axenic conditions can generaly out preform many contaminant organisms when conditions are drier than one might think appropriate. it may be useful to induce such conditions to prevent the proliferation of many contaminants in outdoor spawn, once detected.

[note: these hypotheses are not scientificaly tested and result rather from my base observations and may be wildly speculative]


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Re: my observations [Re: canid]
    #7492667 - 10/06/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so is the reason they don't grow/survive in southeast Texas the summer heat? because it seems like all winter would be ideal fruiting conditions, at least where I am. It's almost constantly humid and cool/cold from about November to January, and damn cold in January and February, then just cold again in March, warming up in April and May, and damn hot by the end of May. We don't get snow, and rarely get hard freezes.

Seems like one could get indoor spawn going and transfer it to outdoor patches for fruiting purposes, without having to do much to monitor the humidity and temp.


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Re: my observations [Re: PinheadX]
    #7493560 - 10/07/07 03:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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so is the reason they don't grow/survive in southeast Texas the summer heat? because it seems like all winter would be ideal fruiting conditions, at least where I am. It's almost constantly humid and cool/cold from about November to January, and damn cold in January and February, then just cold again in March, warming up in April and May, and damn hot by the end of May. We don't get snow, and rarely get hard freezes.

Seems like one could get indoor spawn going and transfer it to outdoor patches for fruiting purposes, without having to do much to monitor the humidity and temp.




I doubt it, our Summer gets pretty hot but the mycelium seem to survive fine.

That's what most people do, except you need to establish the outside bed early so it has a chance to settle down and consolidate. Some people find mushrooms don't even pop up until the second season after you made the patch.


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: undergrounder]
    #7494090 - 10/07/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

<======wonders if this would work with Gyms. Do you think? may have to see for myself.


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    #7494547 - 10/07/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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wonders if this would work with Gyms.




I think, definitely. Gyms are so aggressive as to attack whole logs so they'll probably grow well when a smoothie of them is spread in wet woodchips.

The more I read up, the more I think that using bleach can be omitted.


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Asante]
    #27152662 - 01/17/21 03:39 AM (3 years, 11 days ago)

Has anyone experimented with mixing some pasteurized hardwood sawdust (pellets) in with the smoothie or the woodchips for more surface area?


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: ShrooLetTheDogsOut]
    #27152786 - 01/17/21 06:15 AM (3 years, 11 days ago)

This is a 13+yr old thread.  Probably get more help if you start a new thread.  I don’t see why pasteurized pellets wouldn’t help...


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Nitro87]
    #28510323 - 10/19/23 08:52 AM (3 months, 7 days ago)

I was wondering if such smoothie can be made out of a clean, 100% colonized agar plate with woodlover mycelium. As in, instead of using a mushroom/fruit, I blend a colonized agar puck and then use that smoothie to inoculate fermented woodchips.


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Sentiklos]
    #28510333 - 10/19/23 09:19 AM (3 months, 7 days ago)

In my experience mycelium on agar is weak for going straight to wood. It can work, but if your got good clean agar cultures you’ve got something you can take to grain. However, if you’re like me you’ve got far more plates than you’ll need for grain so why not give it a try. I have had ovoid fruits from where I’ve jammed a plate right into a chip bed, and I have colonized sterile wood chips with agar though it’s far from what I put attention and energy towards, I keep plates in my vehicle so when I find a chip bed I’ll jam them in, better use than the thrash. I know there’s other members whove done quite a bit with agar straight to wood.
I’m actually glad you bumped this, now that my patches are starting to grow and should probably try out this smoothy tek.


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Land Trout]
    #28510542 - 10/19/23 01:24 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

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I’m actually glad you bumped this, now that my patches are starting to grow and should probably try out this smoothy tek.




Me too !!
For the 99 of the 100 perfect areas I searched in the last week where they were not there (yet) ; )

I’m thinking smoothies into a bucket and adding (I’m a woodworker) fine sawdust until it’s a thick paste I can broadcast snowball style during heavy rains to wash the sawdust down into chipped areas

I’ve never tried bleach , I’ve been using the tek. I read on here (of course ) of chips in 5g bucket, add boiling water- cover top w/ new trash bag (holds in steam) cover w/ a few bath towels and wrap sides of bucket too ( just to keep heat in) and let sit overnight to kill the enemies and a helluva start softening/ breaking down the fibers - then emptied into gunny sack to hang a few hrs to drip/leach .
Idk how much it helps, but in my head it helps….so I do ; )


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Dilligaf.360]
    #28512045 - 10/20/23 03:57 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

I'm fairly new to foraging as well as cultivation. Serendipitously I happened to find a nice cluster of Gyms last week and I used some of the older caps to blend into a silky-smooth paste which I then diluted into a watering can. I poured it into all my shaded mulch beds, the water was crazy vibrant orange from all the spores! Kinda funny how I did this and then discovered this thread haha.


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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Harshshroom]
    #28532662 - 11/07/23 08:55 AM (2 months, 19 days ago)

Sooo, as I work this thru in my head and maybe my hands…. Can one of you real deep myco-heads help with a few?’s
Blending with bottled water, then sucking it up into ~ 40ml syringes - how soon would it start losing viability? How long until it loses all or most viability?

Aaaaand
Would adding anything to the blend be beneficial either to the length or strength of its vitality? Like a specific sugar , brewers yeast , LME ??

( like for dispersion straight to habitat in microclimates well enough to get to growth before weather could maybe ruin its chances)

Thanks for any insight y’alls !!


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    #28543745 - 11/15/23 08:52 AM (2 months, 11 days ago)


Goin for it. Blended cyanescens, allenii, and subaruginosa, so they can have a big hot horny multiracial orgy together.


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    #28545161 - 11/16/23 10:58 AM (2 months, 10 days ago)

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Goin for it. Blended cyanescens, allenii, and subaruginosa, so they can have a big hot horny multiracial orgy together.




I’m not s’pose to see internet porn like that !!
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Dilligaf.360]
    #28545300 - 11/16/23 01:26 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

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Goin for it. Blended cyanescens, allenii, and subaruginosa, so they can have a big hot horny multiracial orgy together.




I’m not s’pose to see internet porn like that !!
It triggers me



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