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so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb?
    #7485266 - 10/04/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

RR, you said that higher frequency light above a color temperature of 5,000 Kelvin will generate far more pins than a 'red' source of light such as incandescent lamps."

So with this in mind, do I use my 5000k compact flourecent or my 10000k compact flourecent?


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: shroomerite]
    #7485346 - 10/04/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Any metal halide will do, since its spectrum is on the blue side...


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7485431 - 10/04/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was curious to know which compact flourecent would work better not an HID. But thanx for the try.


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: shroomerite]
    #7485489 - 10/04/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

6500k is what you want


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: sproket13]
    #7485496 - 10/04/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

OK maybe I should clarify. I HAVE a 5000k and 10000k compact flourecent. Out of these two ONLY, which would work best?

Thanx for the help shroomies!


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: shroomerite]
    #7485513 - 10/04/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

....5000k.


10000k seems like it would be too...bright/penetrating


but then again, i do remember reading stuff about shrooms and more blue light. who knows, try both. im sure it wont hurt them.


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: sproket13]
    #7485528 - 10/04/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hi Mate. Seems you're getting some advice from poorly informed people. The 5000 vs 10000 K bulb has nothing whatsoever to do with canopy penetration, instead the K represents the "color temp" of the bulb expressed in degrees Kelvin. It's really an arbitrary rating to botincal folk, who prefer to use PAR (Photosynthetically Active Radiation)to measure spectral output. Anyways, use the 10000, its a bluer color than the 5000, which is more red. If RR said red light ain't what you want, definitly use the 10,000. Good luck mate!


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: EtInArcadiaEgo]
    #7485535 - 10/04/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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EtInArcadiaEgo said:
Hi Mate. Seems you're getting some advice from poorly informed people. The 5000 vs 10000 K bulb has nothing whatsoever to do with canopy penetration, instead the K represents the "color temp" of the bulb expressed in degrees Kelvin. It's really an arbitrary rating to botincal folk, who prefer to use PAR (Photosynthetically Active Radiation)to measure spectral output. Anyways, use the 10000, its a bluer color than the 5000, which is more red. If RR said red light ain't what you want, definitly use the 10,000. Good luck mate!




Thanx that makes since. I was curious to know though that if you can reach a point where the light is to blue and not enough red. I have a super actinic bulb. That is super blue, would that be best?


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: shroomerite]
    #7485544 - 10/04/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

They only use light to tell which way is up....


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: shroomerite]
    #7485550 - 10/04/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yah that'll work perfect. You can't really get too much blue light since blue light is apparently the "light trigger" that aids in the fruiting process for fungi. Red light has a number of functions however, many of them have more to do with inducing fruiting in plants and photosynthetically active plants who need the red light to signal the end of summer (vegetative growth) and beginning of fall (reproductive/fruiting phase). Hope this helps!


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: EtInArcadiaEgo]
    #7485574 - 10/04/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

in response to brainiac's misinformed post, heres something RR just posted in the "12/12" thread. I've read this as well over at mycotopia.

Below text is a partial quote from RR. Read and learn:

Light is also NOT just to establish the direction the fruits grow. In fact, air currents have a greater effect on direction of growth than light. If you doubt this, place a fan on your crop and watch.

A few seconds of light per day will NOT help to generate a good pinset. In fact, light is a secondary pinning trigger, but an important one. The difference between three or four pins, and hundreds of pins on a substrate can be directly correlated to the length, intensity, and frequency of the light applied, provided the primary pinning triggers have been fulfilled.

The light needs to be intense enough to penetrate 1/2" into the substrate. Not all pins form on the surface. Many originate from deeper in the substrate or casing layer.


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: EtInArcadiaEgo]
    #7485582 - 10/04/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, I post before I read up in MM&GG and TMC..


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7485584 - 10/04/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Any metal halide will do, since its spectrum is on the blue side...




Metal Halide? We're growing shrooms, not weed! LOL! Oh what the hell do I know.... I just think that Metal halide requires ballasts and produces lots of Heat. Too expensive and too hot IMO.


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7485631 - 10/04/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

wow LOL

I use a like 7k light bulb florescent, random ass one kinda yellow looking when on.

And I def get more fungal fun than a lot of you.


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: budmanman]
    #7485654 - 10/04/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lighting isn't as important to trigger pins as FAE is.

I thinks its a waste to got out and waste shitloads of money on lights which emit lots of light. a few blue-tinted light-bulbs is, in my experience/opinion, just fine for triggering pinning.

but hey, everyone has different opinions on this matter, so do whatever makes you happy:grin:


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
    #7485683 - 10/04/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My bad I mean 7 watt omg i said K i am dumb thats why i don't cap i's.


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
    #7485700 - 10/04/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My experiments show a color temperature of 6,000K to 7,500K seems to generate the best pinsets across a wide range of species.

Intensity is also a factor, and you can get great pinsets with metal halide, even though its output is still in the 'red' range of around 4,000K. However, a cost effective/low heat solution is natural daylight fluorescent which comes with a color temperature of 6,500 to 7,500. Sorry, I haven't tried the 10,000K tubes, but that's getting pretty close to the uv spectrum, and we know that tends to cause problems, especially long term. Good luck to all. Don't be afraid to experiment.
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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7485781 - 10/04/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting, I wasn't aware that the type of bulb made that much of a difference. I use a regular "off white" off the shelf 12" light bar on the GH and havn't had any issues yet. Might try a "natural daylight" bulb on the second GH next grow.


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7488275 - 10/05/07 12:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, heat isn't usually an issue since most people (not me) use some kind of heater system to keep their FC at 86 or close, which I assume is about 12-15 degrees warmer than most peeps keeps their house.

So maybe HID is not the best way to go, but it does kill 2 birds with one stone, if your FC is in a room cooler than ideal.

Since cubies DO NOT need a temp drop, heat is your friend.

Try one cloned casing at room temp and another at 86, you will see what I mean.

HID is intense enough to penetrate, common household bulbs are not, typically...


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7488714 - 10/05/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I plan to try 10 blue LED´s in a FC.
Not a lot of "power" but it sure is blue enough.

What do u guys think, will it work???

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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7488760 - 10/05/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, heat isn't usually an issue since most people (not me) use some kind of heater system to keep their FC at 86 or close, which I assume is about 12-15 degrees warmer than most peeps keeps their house.

So maybe HID is not the best way to go, but it does kill 2 birds with one stone, if your FC is in a room cooler than ideal.

Since cubies DO NOT need a temp drop, heat is your friend.

Try one cloned casing at room temp and another at 86, you will see what I mean.

HID is intense enough to penetrate, common household bulbs are not, typically...





fc should never be that hot. even incubation chambers should be around 83 since the jars are a couple degrees warmer on the inside..

cubes definitely need a temp drop to promote good pinsets.

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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: Mateo_swe]
    #7489369 - 10/05/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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I plan to try 10 blue LED´s in a FC.
Not a lot of "power" but it sure is blue enough.

What do u guys think, will it work???

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I've seen this done with a friends clones and it worked GREAT, as for shroomies im not sure. give it a shot and see what happens. let us know what you find.


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: futurewolf42o]
    #7489374 - 10/05/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote: "If you're growing edibles such as most of the Agaricus species, a temperature drop is necessary or they won't pin. If you're growing a tropical species such as cubensis or pan cyan, they fruit in the summer anyway, so a temperature drop is not necessary. Cubes will fruit readily from about 60F to 95F."
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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7489385 - 10/05/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote: "If you're growing edibles such as most of the Agaricus species, a temperature drop is necessary or they won't pin. If you're growing a tropical species such as cubensis or pan cyan, they fruit in the summer anyway, so a temperature drop is not necessary. Cubes will fruit readily from about 60F to 95F."
RR

I guess Roger is spreading misinformation as well huh? You better attack him next.





back to basics. temp drops are good to increase your pinset. shit you can grow cubes on stacks of 100 dollar bills but its not going to give you great yields. roger was simply stating that you 'can' do so..not that its better. ask anyone in here which is better, fruiting at 75 or fruiting at 85 and you will get the same response every time. your wrong. period. once again.


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: futurewolf42o]
    #7489386 - 10/05/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You said:"fc should never be that hot. even incubation chambers should be around 83 since the jars are a couple degrees warmer on the inside.."

cubes definitely need a temp drop to promote good pinsets.

please stop spreading disinformation.

RogerRabbit said:
I like to cover the freshly applied casing layer with foil for four or five days to begin colonization, then put in the FC as the myc begins to reach the surface. Patch(optional, but helps) the myc that has already reached the surface and put in the FC. I also don't have AC in my area and sometimes the FC heats into the 90's in the afternoons. They still fruit OK.
RR

I've fruited them outdoors in my climate when the daytime temps were in the fifties, and night time temps in the forties. They did fine.

84F to 86F is not ideal for colonization. Growth has already begun to slow down by 84F. Growth is fastest in the 75F to 81F range. They're far less picky at fruiting time, although I've found the quality of the fruits are better with lower temperatures.
RR

No temperature change is required. I've actually fruited at a higher temp than the mycelium was incubated at, and everything worked fine.
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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: Mateo_swe]
    #7489388 - 10/05/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Metal Halide works but they are $$$ and generate lots of heat I use a super atinic 10,00k 2 of them in a aquarium fixture. 12 hrs on 12 off.


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7489389 - 10/05/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you like to play word games buddy. but i have poo to pasteurize and no need to get into it again.


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Re: so do I use a 5000k bulb or a 10000k bulb? [Re: futurewolf42o]
    #7489403 - 10/05/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

compact florescent works for me


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