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Simple Questions
    #7484320 - 10/04/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

1) Why is peyote scheduled while other cacti are not?
Best cacti for a noob in terms of ease of growth and potency would be...
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Re: Simple Questions [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #7484454 - 10/04/07 11:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i say san pedro, as peruvian torch varies way too much, and who really knows what you will get when you order one. And asking why peyote is illegal is an asinine question...thats like asking why pot is illegal, or mushrooms, or anything that grows naturally on earth for that matter. Shit, why is the DMT in our brains a controlled substance? Every human alive is a walking felony!!

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Re: Simple Questions [Re: supra]
    #7484626 - 10/04/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Why is peyote scheduled while other cacti are not?





Because people who grow Trichocereus are smart and they keep their mouths shut about one of the greatest Entheogens on Earth...


Some people who use salvia...are dumb...very dumb...look what happened to to salvia...


Peyote is illegal because the ole' timers were rascist assholes who hated American indians..


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7484761 - 10/04/07 12:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

other: t. bridgesii


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7484767 - 10/04/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Why is peyote scheduled while other cacti are not?





Because people who grow Trichocereus are smart and they keep their mouths shut about one of the greatest Entheogens on Earth...




thats very rich coming from a person who was gonna blab to the media about the ethnogenic community... :rolleyes:

its no secret that people use trichocereus as a means of tripping, so everyone should expect it to become scheduled sooner or later, in the US at least...


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Some people who use salvia...are dumb...very dumb...look what happened to to salvia...




its not just limited to salvia, all types of ethnogen have a certain quantity of dumb ass users... kids who dont know how to use them responsibly is the main problem...


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #7484774 - 10/04/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:crankey: where the fuck is the stal option? i don't know shit about cacti and would like to see the results.


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: maggotz]
    #7484781 - 10/04/07 12:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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San Pedro
4 50%

Peruvian Torch
2 25%

Other (Please Explain)
2 25%




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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7484796 - 10/04/07 12:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:



so, san pedro is the way to go? how fast does it grow and what is the average mescaline content per kg?


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: maggotz]
    #7484856 - 10/04/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Eh it won't let me edit the poll, sorry mag.


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #7484989 - 10/04/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

bridgesii has the highest average mescaline content, which is why i chose it.

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so, san pedro is the way to go? how fast does it grow and what is the average mescaline content per kg?




exact content varies alot depending on alot of factors maggotz... 2% would be considered good.
same with growth rates, it all depends on conditions... pachanoi can easily grow 12" in a season, and even more if conditions are perfect.


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7485698 - 10/04/07 05:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I've seem to recall reading that p. torch was the best. Where's it listed that bridgesii has higher mesc content? Is this from experience?


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7485719 - 10/04/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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uarewotueat said:
other: t. bridgesii



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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Knoa6]
    #7486148 - 10/04/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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thats very rich coming from a person who was gonna blab to the media about the ethnogenic community...





O come on don't start...

He emailed me, I mailed him back, then the mods took care of it...

Really wasn't a big deal...





I agree with the 2 above posters that T.bridgesii would be the MOST POWERFUL cactus... BUT it would not nessarcy be the highest in mescaline content...

I believe a good portain of T.brigdesii chemicals are something other than mescaline(I could be wrong tho)


T.peruvianus WOULD be the cactus to get, if you could find a potent one...but that's hard to do...

I say grow both T.bridgesii and T.peruvians; Mix them for your trips...


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7487111 - 10/05/07 01:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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thats very rich coming from a person who was gonna blab to the media about the ethnogenic community...





O come on don't start...




i havent started yet, hold up on the hypocritical statements or i will start again... :smile2:


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7487673 - 10/05/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what about ease of growth and rate of growth on T. bridgesii?


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #7487683 - 10/05/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

very similar to both pachanoi and peruvianus IME


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7487836 - 10/05/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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i havent started yet, hold up on the hypocritical statements or i will start again...





They are not hypocritical...

They are different....

A month at the nook will do that to you...



Personally I think T.peruvianus is the most potent in MESCALINE(if you find a good one)...



But bridgesii has T.peruvianus beat as far as overall potency goes(Due to the other chemicals bridgesii has)


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7487958 - 10/05/07 10:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what?? you run around here at first not even knowing what a bridgesii is, then you went on the whole true blue escapade, now you are a professional who says that Peruvians is the most potent mescaline but bridgesii has it beat, lol hahahahaha



teo i hate to tell you but all cacti are different, unless you have test papers to prove this crap you are saying , please stop


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: royer]
    #7487973 - 10/05/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok ok, let me word it differently

Everyone who knows anything about Trichocereus knows that each cactus is different...



If you could find the right one....I think T.peruvianus would be the most potent one in mescaline...Certainly not all of them...

Some T.peruvianus is weak as hell....weaker than San Pedro....

Bridgesii contains a larger complexity of chemicals than San Pedro and T.peruvianus....making it more potent....again, if you find the right one....


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7487978 - 10/05/07 10:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You be suprised how much constantly asking stupid questions can get you...:rolleyes:


Seriously, tho....I've learned alot...

But I am nowhere near an expert...


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7488107 - 10/05/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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i havent started yet, hold up on the hypocritical statements or i will start again...





They are not hypocritical...




for someone who was going to blab to the media about the community to say that some ethno users are dumb and cant keep their mouths shut, that sir makes u a hypocrite. a absolutely massive undeniable hypocrite.


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7488110 - 10/05/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Omg dude...

Drama, drama, drama...

Let it go...

Your off topic.


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7488111 - 10/05/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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If you could find the right one....I think T.peruvianus would be the most potent one in mescaline...Certainly not all of them...




u are wrong once again. stop spreading misinformation!!!
people work on averages, on average bridgesii IS the most potent.

did u even realise that the backberg clone of "t. pahanoi" is thought by many to be more akin to t. bridgesii than it is to t. pachanoi, hence is higher than usual mesc content compared to the "real" t. pachanoi of peru and ecuador?


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7488117 - 10/05/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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on average bridgesii IS the most potent.





But is that not due (at least in part) to its abundence of chemicals other than mescaline?

We might have to take this to the nook....


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7488129 - 10/05/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7488132 - 10/05/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

teo do you think we are lying and people at the nook are gods or something??


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    #7488140 - 10/05/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hahaha no of course your not lying...

You guys are cacti people and you know just as much as a lot of people at the nook...

But the nook has alot more "cacti people"....hence more cacti knowlegde...

I mean...theres lots of different opinions of this kinda stuff...


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7488448 - 10/05/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

First of all, as satisfying as it may be to some, burning Teo isn't going to heal or help anything.

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I mean...theres lots of different opinions of this kinda stuff...




And that's exactly what they are.  Opinions.  And averages are just that, averages.  People work with them all the time because it only makes sense to do so but they certainly don't hold true 100% of the time.  Bridgesii is said by most people to be the most powerful of Trichocereus, and it is also thought by many to contain other chemicals besides mescaline, possibly an MAOI, that makes it stronger and different experience-wise.  But of course that is just a thought held by some people, not a proven fact.  I bet there are some bridgesii and blue peruvianus that are pretty weak, and I bet there are some South American pachanoi and possibly cuzcoensis that have a ridiculously strong alkaloidal makeup.  The plant world isn't bound by the words we say and the rules we try to put over them.  They just do their own thing.

While there may be many trends, there are very few solid rules.  Try to remember this while learning and researching.  :thumbup:


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Re: Simple Questions [Re: plainswalker]
    #7488650 - 10/05/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Bridgesii is said by most people to be the most powerful of Trichocereus, and it is also thought by many to contain other chemicals besides mescaline, possibly an MAOI, that makes it stronger and different experience-wise.





That's what I was refering to...

And stating my opinion that T.peruvianus is the best for MESCALINE.



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Re: Simple Questions [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7490233 - 10/06/07 12:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Teo or anyone for that matter if u find a peru with 2% or more mescaline not including any other alks let me know til then I & many others will focus on bridge.

Go with bridge. WOOT


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    #7496874 - 10/08/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Teo - I thought you were perma'd?


Royer - As far as the "other" chems in bridge, anything dangerous or worth worrying about?


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    #7496936 - 10/08/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you should just grow some of each. Also i suggest a Lophophora Diffusa (its legal besides in california) It doesnt contain mescaline but is a beautiful specimen and i wouldnt suggest growing peyote for mescaline anyways. Also, san pedro can be just as potent as any other type of trichocereus.. mainly because san pedro is a general term given to a variety of trichocereus species... it can be upwards to 30 different type/hybrids of cactus and you never know when you are getting a pure pachanoi. and teo.. i missed you from the forums while you were gone and now i dont.. GTFO



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Re: Simple Questions [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #7497915 - 10/08/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Teo - I thought you were perma'd?


Royer - As far as the "other" chems in bridge, anything dangerous or worth worrying about?




teo is permabanned now...

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    #7498635 - 10/08/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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GoodbyeOrb said:
Teo - I thought you were perma'd?


Royer - As far as the "other" chems in bridge, anything dangerous or worth worrying about?




teo is permabanned now...

nothing worth worrying about in bridgesii...




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