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OfflineReeferMan
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What harm do we have on society?
    #748366 - 07/15/02 03:28 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

The last time i was tripping a thought about drugs popped into my head. Why is it that everyone that tries to oppress drugs ,ie weed and shrooms and whatever else is out there, are all straight edged. I mean the lawmakeres, police, our government, and most of the community that frown on drugs have nothing to base their judgements on. I feel that you cannot judge anyone or anything for what they do unless you have tried it. You need experience with life to know what is right and what is wrong. I am not talking about murder and rape and all the other immoral stuff that happens in our society i definitely do not need to try those to know they are wrong. It just makes me frustrated and mad to a point that everyone that seems to call drug users slackers,lazy and have no morals when they themselves seem to be afraid and unable to handle a substance that might actually open their minds to something new and unknown, spiritual and enlightening. Are these people afraid that we ( meaning thoe who use mind altering substances) are going to hurt them in some way for wanting to further our knowledge of the subsoncious mind. Why cant these opressors just relize that most the people who use these substances usually keep to themsleves and do not in any way want to hurt the community around them? What harm am i placing on my neighbors and myself for smoking a joint and chillin on my porch listening to some Marley or Greatful Dead thinking about life and its overlooked profoundess and greatness that it contains? Just a thought!

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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: ReeferMan]
    #748433 - 07/15/02 04:10 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Drug use is generally detrimental to the goals of our government and our society. Now, you may or may not agree with those goals but you also have to realize that many, many people are too stupid to be given unrestricted access to drugs. As much as we all want to live and believe in an intelligent, educated society, that is unfortunately not a reality.


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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: Catalysis]
    #748685 - 07/15/02 06:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

drugs like caffiene and nicotine are the drugs of choice in capitalistic societies. they give you pep. relax you...but not too much. and help you to cope with your pathetic workaday existence. it is possible that marijuana could be made to fit into the system as well. if people could still make it to work and do their jobs i don't think it would be detrimental to the social order at all to have people sitting around thier houses smoking pot and "thinking about the meaning of the universe." as long as they could keep the stoners in front of the TV and out of the streets, keep them away from thier own power..then marijuana would be a perfect opiate for the masses. i think the least likely drugs to be legalized anytime soon are the psychedelics as they usually induce profound life altering mental states that are prone to lead people to quit thier jobs and generally turn on, tune in, and drop out.



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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: ]
    #748796 - 07/15/02 06:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I agree, marijuana will probably be made somewhat legal soon. Ive heard that the reason it was originally made illegal was to prosecute mexican immigrants just like opium with asians and it simply has not been made legal due to political reasons. Im sure the government would really rather have marijuana than alcohol if they could, but im sure the public would never give up thier cigarettes and alcohol.


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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: Catalysis]
    #748855 - 07/15/02 06:58 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

...many people are too stupid to be given unrestricted access to drugs.
I agree. I think everyone should be issued a 'substence card'. This 'substence card' will have a fixed number of 'points' on it like a drivers liscence. If your caught all stoned crazy out of your mind yelling stupid shit in the streets - your 'substence card' should be revoked - your not longer able to purchase recreational substences legally.

Ok - so it'll never work. But its a cool idea right?


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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: ]
    #749504 - 07/15/02 11:11 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Vaporbrains: I was actually agreeing with you all the way until you said that psychedellics cause people to quit their jobs and what not. No way!!! It's the opiates that do that (heroine, morphine, etc.) and the cocoaine based drugs. Must users of psychedellics are much more in tune with who they are and their place in this world. Psychedellics don't control peoples lives like coke does. Keep that in mind.


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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: chemkid]
    #749823 - 07/16/02 04:36 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i thought about this on my last shroom trip and i realized that the cops are necassary, they are playing the game of life simply for you, really, they dont even know they are doing it. they are playing the role of forgetting and you remembering, if you think about it you will understand the cosmic cycle, rad conversations with god, its all painfully true. i can see these roles in everybody now i know it is all necassary. bless these people cause they define your life and you define theirs.


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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: ReeferMan]
    #749832 - 07/16/02 04:42 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

marihuana? that shit causes murder, insanity, and death!!!


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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: ReeferMan]
    #749868 - 07/16/02 05:24 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Ok first of all, I like the substance card idea second, one way you can look at drugs being illegal is this: a person can do a drug and can handle, people cant. Where would we be if everyone in society(or a good portion of) were drug users? We would have a nation of unambitious pacifists.

Someone mentioned somthing about minorites being the reason drugs were being made illegal. That is true. Each of the drugs that were made illegal in the early 1900's were blamed on some minority group, example: It is the depression, texas has a large population of mexicans, the white man is not going to allow mexicans to take his precious few jobs. So they need a way to get them out of the country and send em back to mexico. It is common knowledge that mexicans grow and smoke marijuana, so lets make up stories saying it send them into rages and makes them rape white women, so it can be made illegal and we can ship them out of the country when they are caught with it. Eventually in 1937 congress passes the marijuana tax stamp act, and it is now illegal to buy, sell , trade , or possess marijuana without the stamp. Unfortunatly you have to have the weed already in order to buy the stamp and if you come to the tax office with the weed to get your stamp you obviously dont already have one so you are breaking the law and its off to jail. Tim Leary did appeal this law to the supreme court in 1967 and won. But in 1970 or 71 i cant remember Nixon started that federal narcotics scheduling and it was scheduled at number 5. So it is now illegal.

Thats just an example of how one drug was made illegal, for more info you can watch the histyory channels "a history of illegal drugs and how they got that way" for about 20 bucks. I ordered mine of tv but im sure you can get it at their website.
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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: TeKHeAD009]
    #749965 - 07/16/02 06:23 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

The substance card idea sounds alot like what Timothy Leary proposed to congress. He basically wanted licensing for LSD use instead of making it totally illegal.


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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: akyouser_oner]
    #750009 - 07/16/02 06:48 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

akyouser_oner please enlighten me on your statement. I am not going to sit here and right out disagree but i dont feel weed is leading to those things. Now alcohol, that is a diefferent story. When is the last time you saw a man smoking a joint smack his wife. Now watch "Cops" everynight and see how many alcoholics are running around contributing to your statement. Peace.


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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: ReeferMan]
    #750074 - 07/16/02 07:24 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I think he was being sarcastic...


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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: ReeferMan]
    #750282 - 07/16/02 09:06 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Nice post dude

If our country was governed by more rationality and less emotion, this would be a very different place. Case in point- alcohol vs. marijuana. If you look at the available science, alcohol is way more detrimental to society than marijuana ever could be... and the drug war, etc. But people want it their way, and the debate pretty much ends there. Stigmas passed down from a generation or two remain firmly indoctrinated, and popular, non-critical thinking opinion wins.


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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: ShroomyMcPot]
    #750324 - 07/16/02 09:28 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

" for more info you can watch the histyory channels "a history of illegal drugs and how they got that way" for about 20 bucks"

I watch many good drug reports and series at history channel, the U.S. was the country that most contribute to our days drug laws... fuck Nixon and his bullshit. I watched how they made that stamp stuff with marijuana some time ago and i got pissed to see how law was manipulated to the interest of some, it's a shame for such a country to have done such stupid laws.
There was an excellent program on our public TV about T. Leary, a must see ! ... We're changing .... fuck Nixon again !

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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: Catalysis]
    #750472 - 07/16/02 10:26 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Damn, I thought it was a pretty unieque idea. I'll hafta start reading some leary - I've heard its good.


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Re: What harm do we have on society? [Re: TeKHeAD009]
    #750917 - 07/16/02 01:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

leary is the shit. I wish our country was open enough to relize that these substances were put here for a reason and should be used to make this place a little more tolerable. ANd for those that cant handle them screw them but dont deny the rest of us a chance to expand our minds.


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