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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: sucklesworth]
    #7698103 - 11/30/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

How he escaped that arm bar is beyond me.

I really do think the other guy would have won if he hadn't been sick though.


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #7698182 - 11/30/07 09:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the arm bar and one of the triangle chokes - thought he was done a few times there


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: sucklesworth]
    #7698400 - 11/30/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That armbar was there, ben just needed to scoot his ass away from the cage a little more so tommy couldnt push off to defend it. The triangle was a nice transition as well, and I think ben would've had it if he wouldve scooped the leg and held it...at the very least the triangle could've been used as a sweep to gain dominant position. EVERYONE is looking for the triangle, EVERYONE is looking for the armbar. I like to "threaten" one, making your opponent think your committing to the submission so hes forced to defend as expected, if you set it up right you'll almost always get the reversal.


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: Leonidas25]
    #7698822 - 11/30/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

are you one of those guys who watches MMA events and tells the TV what they're doing wrong?


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7698908 - 11/30/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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are you one of those guys who watches MMA events and tells the TV what they're doing wrong?




I'm entirely guilty of that when I see people with horrible grappling.


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: Jadian]
    #7698969 - 11/30/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

it's cool you can admit to this fault, i applaud that.


but gawd damn it's annoying when i'm watching it with people trying to explain how they should be getting into full gaurd and shit.

Trying to even apply what you remember in training is pretty tough when someone's punching your face.


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7699227 - 11/30/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yea, I absolutely am as well...I just can't sit there and not say something, it drives me nuts...


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7700669 - 11/30/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I take into account that people are being or are at risk to being pummeled in the face at any moment, I've been in that position. I am just amazed when I see someone fighting at a professional level not know a simple defense to a submission or hold.

I mention this specifically because of TUF, that's where I'd see most of it, but you catch it every once in a while at the professional level.


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: Jadian]
    #7702310 - 12/01/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

EXACTLY...a good example, Dana White said it the best..."how the F**k can you train with BJ penn and have ZERO ground game???"


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: Jadian]
    #7702529 - 12/01/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

it's hard for me to scorn fighters in those situations.


It would make you no better than Joe Rogan, a guy who criticizes fighters all the time yet has zero professional MMA experience.



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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7702684 - 12/01/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Idk...I can't help it...I've been in that position a million times before, you just do it, you just react, theres no thinking involved. And Eddie Bravo is so gay...I can't stand him...he makes up his own names for shit, its hilarious, "The Zombie", "Mission Control", WTF is that?


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7704824 - 12/02/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You don't need pro experience to be able to point out flaws in technique.

It's not like I'm sitting at home watching football saying "Oh that guy sucks he totally should have made that catch"

Moreso what I'm doing is looking at someone that's in the same position I've been in over and over in practice, and seem absolutely clueless as to what to do. It makes me wonder if these guys are actually training from every position, and if not why the hell wouldn't they?

And I dig Eddie Bravo moreso for the fact that he's an avid pot activist than anything else, I think he's sort of a douche but the guy is funny.


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: Jadian]
    #7705521 - 12/02/07 03:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Back to the topic of the armbar Tommy escaped from, that guy really must have been sick or Tommy is the fucking hulk because nobody should get out of that position

Now I'm just convinced it's because the other guy was having a really off night or just sucks. A single good elbow even from the bottom would have opened up a ridiculous cut, I don't think Tommy took more than 5 hits to the face the whole fight.


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #7706198 - 12/02/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the fcial drink of the ufc is like zience? good shtuff zenergy?


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: Jadian]
    #7706896 - 12/02/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Back to the topic of the armbar Tommy escaped from, that guy really must have been sick or Tommy is the fucking hulk because nobody should get out of that position

Now I'm just convinced it's because the other guy was having a really off night or just sucks. A single good elbow even from the bottom would have opened up a ridiculous cut, I don't think Tommy took more than 5 hits to the face the whole fight.




I agree, He took very little damage that fight... being sick can really screw you up. Also, Bens fighting style is JKD not BJJ, and serra only had a couple of weeks with these guys which is not nearly enfough time to improve the ground game.


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: Leonidas25]
    #7710475 - 12/03/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

All very true. I'm sick right now and I feel like I couldn't roll with a 13 year old girl.

I don't know much about the fighters in this season, I only start paying attention when it gets to the quarterfinals and we all know Danzig is going to win anyway.

That fight could have been ended so easily with just a few elbows from the bottom of something, that cut was begging to be opened (Although I do give a ton of credit for the MMA doctors for how good it actually did look come fight time)


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: Jadian]
    #7710873 - 12/03/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yea I know, their doctors must be pretty good because they arent getting very much time between the fights and although tommy looked banged up he never started to bleed like he did against warmachine.


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: Leonidas25]
    #7710888 - 12/03/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah it's amazing what those cut guys can do just between rounds. Give 'em a couple days and it's unbelievable how well they can get a cut looking.

Not to say it wouldn't still be entirely easy to open up, but they do what they can.


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: Jadian]
    #7712616 - 12/03/07 07:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm looking foward to the final fight, most likely between that australian dude(george?) and danzig.

It'll be a decent scrap. I absoulutely hate danzig. He's so hung up on the fact that he's "so experienced". He just comes off sounding like a tool.

He'll most likely win though. I'll still be rooting for george or whatever his name is.


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Re: The Ultimate Fighter [Re: Spooge]
    #7712722 - 12/03/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Idk, I can't stand Danzig either, I'm hoping Arroyo's Jiu-jitsu is good enfough to catch him...


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