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Datura, need help fast
#7482404 - 10/03/07 07:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have a friend tripping on datura at the moment, 3 hrs into the trip and he made a tea with "a bunch of leaves". He is out of his mind in a full blown datura trip. He is under my watch but what could I do to bring him down? I have no downers except beer.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7482411 - 10/03/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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he's gunna get w/e is coming to him, and he deserves it for just "taking a bunch of leaves"
i hope he doesn't die because thats gunna look bad for you
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7482424 - 10/03/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If he really dies I'll be your witness and say you contacted people for help and that you did not administer the poison.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7482426 - 10/03/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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he's fucked. you might wanna convince him to tie himself to something ...something that you can only get him out of. (like the house for example) if you don't know how much he took, he could be tripping for days or possibly be overdosing. why the FUCK would someone take something they knew nothing about? talk to him calmly, and help him keep his head on straight. most of all, help him enjoy the ride.
Edited by Cerius (10/03/07 07:52 PM)
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7482437 - 10/03/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7482440 - 10/03/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well believe it or not, he knows a lot about Datura. Very experienced guy, LSD, DMT, Shrooms you name it hes done it and he respects it. I know he is aware how toxic datura is and all the negative effects.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7482447 - 10/03/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If he dies PM me, I know lots of neat ways to dispose of bodies
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7482453 - 10/03/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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well..what do you need help with? wtf??? :p
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Cerius]
#7482454 - 10/03/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cerius said: why the FUCK would someone take something they knew nothing about?
Probably an automatic response like jumping off a bridge.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7482457 - 10/03/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you are worried and he is your friend, you may want to get him to the emergency room.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7482458 - 10/03/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do have Marijuana, would this help? I am not really worried about him hurting himself because im watching him... but how easy is it to dehydrate from datura? I gave him some water and he takes little sips then sets it down and seems to forget its there.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Cerius]
#7482462 - 10/03/07 08:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Datura is tough with getting people out of a bad trip because most of the time you cant even reach them. If they do respond to you, dont try to take them out of the "zone" they're in because that will probably be impossible. Rather, try to make them comfortable with the things they are experience and its important for YOU as the sitter to be very calm. If he is in any contact with his actual surroundings you can help by assuring him that everything is OK with you and that the reason things seem weird to him is that he ingested datura. Sometimes theres just nothing to help but time, i really hope it works out alright. Try to keep him hydrated and away from the general public and hopefully things will be ok. If things get truly out of hand and he needs medical attention, do the right thing and take him to a hospital. If you can't be associated with the incident at least drop him off at the place with a note on him saying DATURA and bounce.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7482469 - 10/03/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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FUCK MourningDove's advice. My friends flipped out on MY mushroom trip and I was absolutely fucking fine. Nonetheless, they stuffed me in a hospital costing me 10 fucking grand, luckily I had insurance. Don't give him pot either, it'll just make the trip stronger. Just give him new things to do..and if you're worried about dehydration, get new cups..then he'll have LOTS of cups.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: opensaysme]
#7482483 - 10/03/07 08:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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rofl I tried datura years back and can relate to what he is going through, trying to make him comfortable.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Cerius]
#7482499 - 10/03/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
FUCK MourningDove's advice. My friends flipped out on MY mushroom trip and I was absolutely fucking fine. Nonetheless, the stuffed me in a hospital costing me 10 fucking grand, luckily I had insurance.
Shrooms are not deadly. Datura is. Big fucking difference right there.
If you are not going to take him to the hospital because you know he hasn't had too much then you may want to get you some amphetamine for your self because you are in for a long ride taking care of him.
Don't give him weed or anything. Do make sure he drinks enough water no matter how much you have to remind him.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7482511 - 10/03/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't try to explain complicated (read: any) things to him. He is in his own little world now and most times if you try to interfere it's just going to throw him off.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Cerius]
#7482512 - 10/03/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you serious Cerius? Mushrooms are non toxic, datura is highly toxic; two completely different situations. Your friends may have made a stupid decision because they dont understand, but they were doing it for your own good. Clemens, if he's acting insane dont worry, as long as hes not hurting himself or others, but if he seems like he's physically in duress then don't fuck around and get help.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Cerius]
#7482548 - 10/03/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah unless he is in physical danger you shouldn't need a hospital, but from what I know of datura that isn't completely out of the question...
if you do end up there do not just drop him and bounce, your not on anything so you can't get in trouble and people you know are gonna find out any way if he's your friend and it would look much better if you didn't just dump him on the ground in front of a hospital and drive off, besides there are a lot of cops at hospitals and the chances of that working don't seem incredibly good to me, plus its a stupid idea.
Cerius, datura is definitely not mushrooms and could actually result in physical harm from the poison. Plus from every trip report I've ever read I wouldn't expect him to be anything that could be considered coherent (locked in a dream world but still maintaining motor function)he may not even be conscious after a while.
If he starts looking real bad, don't be a dick, take him to a hospital, your friends life is worth getting in a little trouble.
That said I doubt he'll have to/hope he doesn't have to go and he makes it through alright. Good luck. if you can, get him to sleep that always seems like it at least keeps him from running around and possibly hurting himself. He may sleep for a long time.
A person on datura might be really creepy...
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TripityDooDaDay your avatar gave me a salvia flashback... thanks? Anyway its cool.
Edited by JstHereFrTheCake (10/03/07 08:24 PM)
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whoever thought i was comparing the two drugs misinterpreted what i was trying to say. i was speaking of the physical danger he isn't putting toward himself, or others at the moment. if he's not having seizures or trying to stab himself or going into cardiac arrest..jesus, let him be and keep him calm.
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I don't think that opensaysme was really suggesting dropping him off in a hospital and leaving him. He is a very close friend of mine, many trips together and I not leave him.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7483097 - 10/03/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Speaking from experience, weed will potentiate tropanes. Do NOT give him any weed.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7483277 - 10/03/07 11:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Cerius]
#7483287 - 10/03/07 11:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, ancient chinese secret is to wrap a ridiculous tripper to a tree with duct tape.
seriously, he'll be safe, he's upright and he'll be there in the morning!
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Cracka_X]
#7483774 - 10/04/07 05:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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So what happened? Is he still fargone?
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Hakim0777]
#7484113 - 10/04/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah... How is your friend doing today?
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also interested to hear how this turned out.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: SapphireCat]
#7484232 - 10/04/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Datura grows everywhere around here, but have never been attempted to do it. I guess just make sure he doesn't do anything crazy. A friend of mine ended up in a strangers house asking the old lady there for his medicine? or something like like. Then he went to the garage and sat in the car smoking a cigarette till the cops came and took him to jail. Then he was supposedly talking to nobody in the jail cell.
and i would think smoking weed would intensify the trip., not sure
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Ogla]
#7485046 - 10/04/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I stayed up till 3 then with him and he was still tripping so I called my friend to watch him because I needed to catch some z's. I talked to him today and he has come down but still fucked up, blurry vision and said he feels empty. He is alright and made it through and is talking and acting more normal. I will post more about him later.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7485161 - 10/04/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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silly rabbit datura is for fiends.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: GbBaker]
#7485170 - 10/04/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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He said he didn't like it all but that was as expected.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7485172 - 10/04/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Datura will make you be dead
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Robo]
#7485338 - 10/04/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Glad he got through it OK. Now kick his ass.
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He says he knows datura is just complete insanity and he said he needed to see it.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7485378 - 10/04/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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haha glad to hear hes alright
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: evolprim]
#7485601 - 10/04/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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He is still really fucked up, anything he should take to help him get over this?
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7485693 - 10/04/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your a good friend for watching him.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: davetripson]
#7485707 - 10/04/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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water water let the body's fluids get cleansed and cleanse the rest I would not treat a psychoactive with a psychoactive. they are likely to compound simmilar effects.
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Quote:
water water let the body's fluids get cleansed and cleanse the rest I would not treat a psychoactive with a psychoactive. they are likely to compound simmilar effects.
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I was thinking along the lines of Vitamins not psychoactive, but he took some ambien to help him sleep.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7486431 - 10/04/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe a glass a carrot juice. Anyway, the visual and cognitive side effects should fade anywhere from two days to one week. I'm sure he'll be fine.
Edited by Misanthrope (10/04/07 08:52 PM)
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Misanthrope]
#7486475 - 10/04/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think we might change his nick name from JC (Jesus Christ) to Shaman.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7486542 - 10/04/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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must say i can understand what lured him. it's like reading about salvia or dmt. you just can't begin to comprehend it by just reading it, you have to have experienced it to understand. Although i think i'll stay away from datura, i'm curious, but not curious enough for that.
glad to hear he's ok anyway and that you handled it well
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: SapphireCat]
#7486573 - 10/04/07 09:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Same here. I've done my share of dmt and salvia along with many other things but there are plenty of substances for which the thing called curiosity just isn't strong enough for for me. Datura is among the top of those.
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i would be curious about an extreemly low dose and what that might be like.
lets say this guy he's talking about in here took 10 leaves in a tea, id like to know what 1 leaf, or even half a leaf would be like
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7486725 - 10/04/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I would like to try smoking a very very small amount of datura with some bud. Maybe enough to be slightly incoherent and out of it, but enough to keep my sanity and be able to remember that I had taken datura.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7486729 - 10/04/07 10:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If what I remember is correct the potency is to various to go by weight in plant material. It would seem wiser to consider isolating alkaloids than playing around with whole plant material if you really truly simply must experiment with it imo. Not that I would know.
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datura might be an ingredient in acapulco gold
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It might just be safer to do Diphenhydramine or Dimenhydrinate, because at least you're getting a specified dose...
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Siekoaktiv]
#7487484 - 10/05/07 06:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i've tried large doses of each of those and if that's what datura is really like then i dont want to have anything to do with it. my experiences with diphenhydramine and diphenhydrinate were some of the scariest i've ever had. i wouldnt even call them trips i was just completely delerious, out of my mind
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: opensaysme]
#7487495 - 10/05/07 06:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i've tried large doses of each of those and if that's what datura is really like then i dont want to have anything to do with it.
lol no one should want to have anything to do with datura from what i've read. But the ideaa of a deleriant....idk if i ever do it i would have someone film the experience though, so i could look over it sober and compare what was really happening to what was happening in my head.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: SapphireCat]
#7487615 - 10/05/07 08:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you have any memories from the experience.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7489943 - 10/05/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Give him three grams of vitamin C three times a day, each time accompanied by a glass of water. What you want to achieve is acidic urine, which will help pull the tropanes from his body.
Run at least a liter of milk or yoghurt through him each day. He will want soggy food, porridge, custard, that kind of stuff, because of cottonmouth.
Don't let him drive or even walk the streets this second day.
NO DRUGS, especially not weed. Weed intensifies tropanes but also makes them harder on the heart which still can be dangerous.
Let him rest a lot and avoid exercise to ease the load on his heart.
Of the dietary measures, the 3x 3 gram vitamin C is most important. Places that sell vitamins often have tabs of 1000 mg. Three at a time, three times a day, for five days.
The Datura will directly affect him for about a week, and then a month of recovery after that. If he takes psychedelics in that month, he is at serious risk for HPPD.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: Asante]
#7490132 - 10/05/07 11:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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93 For those above who are curious about low dose datura, it's not so easy to dose for that. I'm getting the impression that the median state between no effects and full on delium is very small at best. I have been experimenting with low dose datura these last few months without any perceivable effects. I have tried up to 15 seeds in a tea, and up to about 30% of a dried leaf smoked with cannabis along with 2.5g's of oral cubensis. It's okay, I'm trying to build a relationship with the plant for when I do, if ever, take a few lessons from her. Actually, I just got back from a walk where i visited a few stramonium plants. Of course I nibbled a small bit of raw leaf as I always do when I visit. I love the smell and taste.
The advice previously given is quite helpful and it's good to know quick, reliable help can be given through a message forum such as this. My previous paragraph may seem like an invitation to try datura, however i strongly reccomend against this. There are very few people I know who are able to properly utilize the psychedelic and dissociative experience, much less that of datura. As for my seeming hypocrisy, I can do no better than to merely say you would have to understand my life mission to reconcile my explorations. Stay away, she is known to bite. 93 93/93
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: lavod]
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So... a fews days later he said he wish he never did it. Weird because once he came out of the trip he was saying he was somewhat glad he had tried it but now he thinks its a stupid idea.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7494544 - 10/07/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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tell him i said he's a tweeker
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7495357 - 10/07/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Perhaps the unreality of it all is just finally settling in on him.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: clemens]
#7495416 - 10/07/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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clemens said: So... a fews days later he said he wish he never did it. Weird because once he came out of the trip he was saying he was somewhat glad he had tried it but now he thinks its a stupid idea.
He thought he was "hardcore".
Apparently he learned otherwise.
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Well are not all hallucinogens a picture of a abstract or unreality experiences? Surly breathing walls and morphing objects don't exist and are irrelevant to our lives, they are just part of the drugs effects.
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Re: Datura, need help fast [Re: SapphireCat]
#7495655 - 10/07/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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SapphireCat said: must say i can understand what lured him. it's like reading about salvia or dmt. you just can't begin to comprehend it by just reading it, you have to have experienced it to understand. Although i think i'll stay away from datura, i'm curious, but not curious enough for that.
glad to hear he's ok anyway and that you handled it well
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