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New / Recent Psychonaut Authors?
#7481460 - 10/03/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only one I can think of is Daniel Pinchbeck. He was mildly interesting, but BOTH ('Breaking Open The Head') was too much of a smorgasbord of trip experiences with lots of borrowed material from previous entheogenic spelunkers. Then he completely lost it with his 2012 material; obviously an attempt to merely cash in on the latest craze.
Strassman is intriguing for his contribution on DMT, but he is a scientist first and author second so future works will likely be scarce.
Who will step up to the plate to carry us on a magic carpet ride into the 21st century?
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7481507 - 10/03/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would need many 'entheogenic' contributions (read: Lucy) for inspiration. That - and I would have to anesthesize (or remove ) the skeptic portion of my brain.
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Check out Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind, by Graham Hancock
He's very respectable IMO and the book is a really engaging read. He borrows a lot from McKenna, Strassman, and others, but contributes his personal experiences to the mix as well as a wealth of research (not the McKennian kind, either, the real kind). He may not be the next great spokesman for psychedelics but this book alone is a major contribution to the literature.
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There is little left to say about psychedelics. Most of what has been written on them is fanciful, ill informed crap. I am content to let them fade from the publics consciousness. Mainstream attention is always bad, and it results in increased usage followed by idiotic behavior which is followed by a crackdown by the authorities who are entrenched in the notion that people are not responsible for their own actions.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7481680 - 10/03/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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weee i am! its just not ready my book is gona be a colaberation shared thru hippie circles and secret cause hippie people after hearing me talk want me to write about it
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OrgoneConclusion said: The only one I can think of is Daniel Pinchbeck. He was mildly interesting, but BOTH ('Breaking Open The Head') was too much of a smorgasbord of trip experiences with lots of borrowed material from previous entheogenic spelunkers. Then he completely lost it with his 2012 material; obviously an attempt to merely cash in on the latest craze.
Strassman is intriguing for his contribution on DMT, but he is a scientist first and author second so future works will likely be scarce.
Who will step up to the plate to carry us on a magic carpet ride into the 21st century?
I've often wondered the same thing. I asked these questions here, several years ago (before I went dark). Unless another person steps up to literally preach... it'll likely go viral.
If there isn't another Leary, we'll have The Shroomery and other websites (Erowid has been carrying the torch among kids... for the last few years. Thank GOD.)
It is specifically why I created the Tripper's FAQ, over here.
There is a current void... it is sad... 'cause this is a time where we really NEED another hippie revolution.
Yeah... I know... hippies are full of shit but... beats our other options. And REAL hippies, the few there are... are a dying breed.
We CAN'T loose this tradition. It is the first non-scientific, Western idea, since Paganism... that wasn't entirely full of shit.
But Strassman has a point... what good does it do?
What the hell is this, Big O? Your spiritual side is showing. Now THIS is an event. Are you softening in your old age?
You could do it. You're just about controversial enough. Why the fuck not, dude? Could you imagine a skeptical leader?
We could call ourselves the Neo-Hippies!
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7492235 - 10/06/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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And REAL hippies, the few there are... are a dying breed.
Yes we are, but there was never very many of us no matter how it looked back then.
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Pinchbeck is fluff.
I have been keeping my eyes on a book by James Kent called Psychedelic Information Theory: Shamanism in the Age of Reason.
http://www.tripzine.com/pit/
might be worth checking out the chapters he has written so far. unfortunately a final release date of his work is not yet to be seen.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Icelander]
#7492275 - 10/06/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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so many people are afraid to loose their stable image, I notice this A LOT in the people I associate with. one friend fears insanity, and fears he will loose his connection with the outside world. so much fear and not enough curious cats.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Icelander]
#7492303 - 10/06/07 06:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: And REAL hippies, the few there are... are a dying breed.
Yes we are, but there was never very many of us no matter how it looked back then.
Pop culture can do terrible things... so can K-Marts and cheap ponchos.
Alas...
I was born after my time.
Can you imagine!? I had to do RESEARCH to find my inner hippie!
That said... the research WAS very fun.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Icelander]
#7492366 - 10/06/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Real hippy? Cuz you eat tofu? You bathe, cut your hair and don't smoke pot, how can you claim hippydom?
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clichés get boring, we like to change.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7492420 - 10/06/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will need a sidekick to build me up, sort of like a John The Baptist / press agent / public relations manager. You would also be responsible for procuring drugs and young, hot neophytes; for booking musicians and organizing large-scale be-ins; etc. Are you up for the job? It will be quite a ride.
I will also be hiring a personal chef, masseuse, trainer, stylist and astrologist. Plus we shall need a full-time lawyer as soon as the cash starts to roll in.
If we are going to do this, it will not be haphazard like those that have gone before. We must learn from their oversights and take it to the next level.
I will need a cool name, too. My real name is something akin to 'John Smith'. It has no pizazz. Oh yeah, can't forget a clothes designer.
Now collecting resumes (and 8 X 10 glossies ) from those who want to participate in Team Shmoopy.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7492434 - 10/06/07 07:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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www.Zoe7.com
I heard about this guy on the Psychedelic Salon podcasts. I haven't read much of what he had to say, and only really listened to his "audio auto-biography". I haven't even looked at his website.
What did amaze me was how nuts this guy is, yet how sane he is. To my knowledge, nobody has done the poly-drug use thing to the extreme extent that this guy has. Not only did he do ridiculous combinations of drugs, but he threw in brain wave syncronizers and all that stuff as well. Now he believes that he allowed a mixture of 7 different interdimensional beings into his brain or something.
If anyone knows anything about this guy, please spill the beans. I'm just throwing it out there because I was under the impression that he was new, and I was impressed by his drug use
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7492438 - 10/06/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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AlteredAgain said: clichés get boring, we like to change.
Yes, and become clean-shaven stock brokers who pay taxes and drive BMWs...
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OrgoneConclusion said: I will need a sidekick to build me up, sort of like a John The Baptist / press agent / public relations manager. Are you up for the job? It will be quite a ride.
I'll BAPTIZE, but I won't get my head chopped off!
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Hopefully he will live long enough to become a front-runner.
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In all seriousness, I think there is still a lot of psychonautics going on, but not in the psychedelic realm. For instance, one of my favorite authors right now is Stanislov Grof. His book The Adventure of Self-Discovery (which features 2 books, Dimensions of Consciousness And New Perspectives In Psychotherapy) was about the most indepth book on alternate states of consciousness I've ever read. I highly recommend that book to anyone needing a psychonaut fix. He breaks down and categorizes every alternate state of consciousness experienced and discussed by most, and possibly more. These are all states he and/or his clients have experienced in his Holotropic Breathwork sessions, which he uses now that he can't legally administer LSD. He basically gets his patients to hyperventilate and plays very emotional, yet neutral, music and lets them go into the sub/trans-conscious.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Icelander]
#7492473 - 10/06/07 07:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes we are, but there was never very many of us no matter how it looked back then.
Why sell yourself short with such a piss poor self limitation...a label...hippie. Hippies were the creation of pop culture and never really existed. Those who tried to embody that were responding to an image created by television, pop music, and movies.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7492482 - 10/06/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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We CAN'T loose this tradition. It is the first non-scientific, Western idea, since Paganism... that wasn't entirely full of shit.
You're forgetting the Beats, Existentialists, Anarchists, Nihilists, Indigenous Sovereigntists, Doukhobors, Diggers, Situationists, and many many more. The hippie movement is just a small part of the tradition of rebelliousness and experimentation that pervades western culture. And most of the hippie subculture got totally co-opted.
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AlteredAgain said: clichés get boring, we like to change.
Yes, and become clean-shaven stock brokers who pay taxes and drive BMWs...
very well, but then they are no longer hippies, are they?
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7492490 - 10/06/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hippies were the creation of pop culture and never really existed. Those who tried to embody that were responding to an image created by television, pop music, and movies.
*Shmoopy takes off purple Nehru jacket, love beads & sandals, cuts hair, puts away the White Album, tears down The Doors poster and blacklight, puts lava lamp up for sale on E-Bay and flushes herb down toilet*
Um, what were you saying?
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See? That's what I am talking about - a cool name like Zoe7. He took a page from my book on becoming a psychedelic cult leader.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7492513 - 10/06/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hippies EXISTED... THEN it became commercial, Hue.
Look at your time-line... Before, "The Mamma's and the Pappa's" went, "California Dreamin'" there WAS hippiedom. In NYC... the East Village, to be precise. And HEY, don't forget Boston/Cambridge!
After the "Mamma's and the Pappa's" moved from THE EAST VILLAGE to MID-CAL... THERE WAS mostly POP-CULTURE HIPPIEDOM... and... by Woodstock... it was almost entirely over. Altamont... HA!
In another context... if you'd discovered the "Hippie life" by the time, "The Gratfeul Dead" were known as, "The Grateful Dead" instead of, "The Warlocks"... you'd probably missed the train.
It didn't happen in California... it happened YEARS earlier, in NYC. BABY!!!
To keep the musical analogy going for a bit too long... FOLK, won the battle of hippiedom... not rock.
Peter Paul and Mary, Robert Zimmerman and that cute/frighteningly hot/60's version of Jewell... kid... Joan Baez... they ALL... BEAT THE BEATLES to the Hippie train!
Judges?
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7492539 - 10/06/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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*Shmoopy hums* "Puff the ma-agic dragon, lived by the sea.."
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Did you know the origin of the lyric, "A Land called Honalee"?
It came from Hanalei Bay, Kaua'i, Hawai'i.
Peter Yarrow stayed there for an entire season, in a beach cabin, before writing that horrible, stoner song.
Hanalei bay is a PERFECT tropical bay, surrounded by a mountain... which looks like a sleeping dragon. I stay there for a week, every year. Mushrooms grow in the horse-shit (Pan Cyans). For pot... Just call Little Jackie Paper.
Want pics?
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7492601 - 10/06/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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No...it was just fucking program...just another societal program. A social class engineered by society to control those who wish to rebel. The hippy definition was just another form of cultural brainwashing.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7492612 - 10/06/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Someone who truly seeks freedom doesn't look for that freedom in cultural based and created conventions.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7492630 - 10/06/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: No...it was just fucking program...just another societal program. A social class engineered by society to control those who wish to rebel. The hippy definition was just another form of cultural brainwashing.
Semantically, you are correct about the name, "Hippie" yes. It WAS marketed.
But the idea, is what I am talking about. The actual idea DID exist without corruption... for a little while.
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Huehuecoyotl said: Someone who truly seeks freedom doesn't look for that freedom in cultural based and created conventions.
Who's talking about freedom? I see your point, though. And, you aren't entirely off the track.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
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I mentioned freedom because this is what the hippy program was seeking to obtain. I myself was strongly influenced by the "hippy" ideal. During my youth this culture was in full force and it was a major influence on my development. It brought me to psychedelic drugs as well. Psychedelic drugs brought me to the realization that all culturally contrived roles are just another aspect of the thing that the hippy generation sought to rebel against. By defining itself it conformed. My ideas about them are not intended to be derogatory, but stripping them of romantic associations is just being realistic. Until recently I classed myself as a "computer nerd" because I worked in network administration and I am good at it. Then it occurred to me that to define myself was merely setting limits on what I could do.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7492739 - 10/06/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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We CAN'T loose this tradition. It is the first non-scientific, Western idea, since Paganism... that wasn't entirely full of shit.
You're forgetting the Beats, Existentialists, Anarchists, Nihilists, Indigenous Sovereigntists, Doukhobors, Diggers, Situationists, and many many more. The hippie movement is just a small part of the tradition of rebelliousness and experimentation that pervades western culture. And most of the hippie subculture got totally co-opted.
I am so sorry, I totally missed your post until I went back and re-read this thread. You made some great points, however... there is a SPIRITUAL quality within Hippiedom that is lacking from (arguably... easily arguably!) all of your other examples.
My example, PAGANISM, IS a SPIRITUAL philosophy.
I am not talking about hollow, industrial philosophy... hippiedom IS a SPIRITUAL way of life... although yes, hippiedom was influenced by many of your examples... and later, bastardized by pop culture.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7492750 - 10/06/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it's reasonable to admit that, in the beginning, some of the people who were part of the whole hippie/psychedelic thing in the 60's really were experimenting in a pretty authentic and interesting way. I was reading the autobiography of this guy, Ken Knabb, who was a situationist in the States in the 70's. First he was around the whole San Francisco psychedelic/zen scene and then he got into anarchism and situationism. In the 70's he wrote an awesome, scathing critique of the hippies called 'On the Poverty of Hip Life.' But in his autobiography he expressed how, at least to a certain degree, the time really was pretty liberating and experimental for some and that it was important not to forget that element. It got completely coopted, of course. But for the first wave of people who had to slog through the self reflection and self liberation on thier own and didn't just buy an image, there was something of substance there. There is much to critique, yet much to appreciate.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7492758 - 10/06/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then it occurred to me that to define myself was merely setting limits on what I could do.
I used to define myself as omnipotent, but even that was w-a-y too limiting.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7492799 - 10/06/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is much to critique, yet much to appreciate.
True. Some aspects of hippiedom had its attractions.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: NiamhNyx]
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Sex, drugs and rock & roll, baby!
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... and *Folk.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
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Lots & lots of folking.
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God, I was born too late! I grew up to Diff'rent Strokes, AIDS, and Michael Jackson... instead of Flower Power, war and, assassinations.
Poor me.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7492937 - 10/06/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was 'there' and you only missed the fantasy.
The 'Movement' mirrored a psychedelic trip. It seemed as if one was getting closer to something special; yet both were illusory.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
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Yeah, god also gave us lot of BS.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: shakercee]
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7493218 - 10/07/07 12:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ELECTRIC KOOL-AID ACID TEST
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these forums are full of rich content maybe the book author thing is not necessary we are already viral
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said: these forums are full of rich content
You could actually make a damn solid read out of various posts and threads from internet drug forums.
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Check out Pinchbeck's new one, 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl, it follows the 2012 "idea" but he does a great job of it. Its basically about the fact that science and mysticism are merging and both pointing to one inevitable end, a evolution in human consciousness.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#7494234 - 10/07/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Science & mysticism are merging?
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Read the book before you laugh. 2 words, quantum physics.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Science & mysticism are merging?
Do you consider Psychology a science? Psychology bridges the gap between objective science and subjective experience (and on the edges of consciousness research, mysticism).
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: 2FiNiTe]
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A book is going to tell me more than a lifetime of exposing mysticism as bunk? I look around my room and everything in it is a result of science. Not one thing is a result of mysticism.
Pinchbeck is merely riding the McKenna/internet 2012 craze. Not one single 'believer' has been able to state what EXACTLY will happen or why, nor make a wager with me as to ANYTHING AT ALL.
What this means in the real world is that AFTER Dec. 2012, the 'believers' will BACK-FIT some world event and say, see? But that is not how prophecy or science or anything else works.
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It's not possible to expose mysticism as bunk. Maybe paranormal claims and the like, but never mysticism, because it is subjective and has absolutely no objective reality.
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Oh, MYSTICISM exists, as well as SPIRITUALITY. Humans have the capacity for BOTH trains of thought. I just can't say if either exists beyond a Philosophical state.
But, just because you can't disprove it doesn't mean you can PROVE it, either.
Conspiracy theorists use that line o logic ALL the time... "Well, prove it DIDN'T happen the way we SAY it did!"
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
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This is true, but the important differing aspect is that conspiracy theorists are dealing in the realms of objective truth, thus their claims should be placed under scrutiny and they should have to carry the burden of proof.
To ask a mystic to prove his experiences is not only silly, but shows the ignorance of the person asking for proof and his or her incapability to think abstractly. These people are called materialists.
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* or realists.
Depends which side of the theological argument you're on.
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OrgoneConclusion said: A book is going to tell me more than a lifetime of exposing mysticism as bunk? I look around my room and everything in it is a result of science. Not one thing is a result of mysticism.
there are definitions of mysticism which have to do with attaining a certain experience of wholeness, or connection with oneself and nature which brings self-realization and experiences that are completely new and not comprehensible by the mind. i am not speaking for all definition of mysticism.
how could you expose this kind of mysticism, that which has to do with personal experience?
mys·ti·cism (mĭs'tĭ-sĭz'ə;m) n.
2. The experience of such communion as described by mystics.
can you prove all experience?
i am skeptical if you think you can.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7494707 - 10/07/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: * or realists.
Depends which side of the theological argument you're on.
which realist are you talking about?
i like Gurdjieff's take on realism -
Spiritual Realism
You are not happy. You may enjoy periods of relative happiness and you may be happier than other people that you know, but you are not as happy as you'd like to be or as happy as you can be. How do I know? First of all, if you were completely satisfied with your life you wouldn't be holding this book in your hands right now. Second, it is very rare to find people that are in touch with certain realities regarding their existence that lead to lasting happiness.
Spiritual Realism works in two ways. First, it will challenge the way you think about yourself and your personal reality construct, or in simpler terms, what you think is real. Your illusions need to be shattered in order to achieve the bliss that you desire, yet has been eluding you for so long. Second, this book will teach you a series of techniques that will make you happier and more content with your life if you practice them sincerely over an extended period of time. Spiritual Realism works. It cannot fail to work. Good luck!
IMPORTANT NOTE: If you have strong religious beliefs you will likely find views in this book disturbing.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: onlynow]
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Again... Mysticism exists... it is wrapped up within the definition of another, more important word, "Spirituality". Both have been proven to exist but ONLY WITHIN the human mind.
The thing is; Mysticism AND Spirituality are both INTANGIBLE by definition.
If they WERE proven to EXIST outside the human mind, they'd CEASE to be mystical or spiritual... because if they WERE proven to exist, they'd become TANGIBLE. They'd become REAL. Therefore they'd no longer fit their own definitions.
Do you follow me?
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: onlynow]
#7494743 - 10/07/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is 2012 going to be or contain an objective event that we all can witness or not?
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i wasn't really talking about 2012...
but why objective?
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said: Again... Mysticism exists... it is wrapped up within the definition of another, more important word, "Spirituality". Both have been proven to exist but ONLY WITHIN the human mind.
The thing is; Mysticism AND Spirituality are both INTANGIBLE by definition.
If they WERE proven to EXIST outside the human mind, they'd CEASE to be mystical or spiritual... because if they WERE proven to exist, they'd become TANGIBLE. They'd become REAL. Therefore they'd no longer fit their own definitions.
Do you follow me?
yes, that is why i try do not practice "mysticism"... rather experience
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: onlynow]
#7494870 - 10/07/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes... which is why I mentioned EXPERIENCE being INTANGIBLE.
Can you hold experience?
Experience is a thought. Once experienced... your brain will continue to CHANGE your perception of that thought.
Experience is intangible... and the experience will be perceived differently by everyone who experiences it.
Even a tangible event, can be experienced differently by all its participants.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7494902 - 10/07/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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why hold anything that is impermanent?
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: onlynow]
#7494909 - 10/07/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Guy's got to pee... once in a while...
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: onlynow]
#7495122 - 10/07/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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A picture of a guy dressed as Gandalf... at Burning Man!?
I'm confused. Is that you in the pic?
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7495153 - 10/07/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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no way, I am not that old.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: onlynow]
#7495173 - 10/07/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then, I am even more confused than before.
Surely you know by now: Linking to things without explanation, can be quite troublesome.
Were you trying to make a point, or change the subject?
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7495193 - 10/07/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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must I solve your confusion?
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7497340 - 10/08/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yippie !
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7499695 - 10/08/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Check out the book Eat the Document. Can't remember who wrote it but it is about the Brotherhood of Eternal Love and all that stuff from the 60's. Its fiction but a good read.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#7500680 - 10/09/07 07:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cervantes, you should write more about hippie history, and stuff... I'm interested...
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Bard]
#7501406 - 10/09/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yippies are more fun
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Bard]
#7501669 - 10/09/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bard said: Cervantes, you should write more about hippie history, and stuff... I'm interested...
I'd love to.
To generalize... and, I'm sure the old farts around here will correct me if I'm wrong (I didn't look at a timeline before I wrote this, so there could be several mistakes). The hippie way of life came from a number of ingredients... and it happened in a pretty specific order. Allow me to OVER simplify the American hippie movement.
Hippiedom came from:
The creation of psychology.
The invention of LSD.
New isms... like Nihilism, Anarchism and Realism.
A Western exploration of Eastern Philosophy/Spirituality/Arts
The combination of psychological LSD use with Eastern Spirituality/ Arts
Psychological LSD testing on Ivy League students and artists.
Then:
JFK is assassinated
The British Invasion kicks into full swing.
Publication of findings from the psychological LSD studies.
LSD is passed around freely and legally among East Coast college towns.
American coffee shop folk singers (mostly in NYC) begin to use psychedelic imagery in their songs.
Artists like Bob Dylan and the pre-fab Peter, Paul & Mary become VERY popular. Protest songs (Eve of Destruction) and drug songs (Puff) start to reach the airways.
The idea spreads across the country, mostly through music (also, authors and artists like Andy Warhol).
Pop-culture jumps on board the hippie train. Marijuana and LSD use spreads across the country.
East Coast musicians and groups begin a mass-exodus to San Francisco and L.A.; probably because the mild winters appeal to them... and everybody else was doing it. Only a few established and popular bands remain in the East... The Lovin' Spoonful comes to mind...
Hippies are REALLY mass-marketed.
The Beatles jump onto the hippie train.
Tim and Ralph's book, The Psychedelic Experience, is published.
The Vietnam War kicks into full gear.
LSD is outlawed.
Protest songs inundate the airways.
Bobby and Martin are assassinated.
Moon Landing
Woodstock
Altamont (the NEXT Woodstock, if you will) is a debacle. The press uses this to kill the popular hippie dream.
70's happen.
The, "Me" generation introduces itself to pop-culture.
Pop culture jumps onto the, "Me" generation train.
The End
Musicology contains a LOT of hippie history. I mention music a LOT when I talk about hippie history... but this is because the EARLY hippie bands actually were quite close to the EARLY LSD studies. To follow the movement, follow the music. Their stories overlap A LOT more than you'd think... and most of the story can be found WITHIN the music of the era. Much like the way martial arts have contained Eastern philosophies, for hundreds of years.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
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Thanks Cervantes!
I will google some of the things you wrote... But I have some questions...
"American coffee shop folk singers" - Who are they?
What is "Me" generation?
"the EARLY hippie bands actually were quite close to the EARLY LSD studies" - And then again, I want names, citizen, and connections... That last paragraph is quite interesting, the music and the lsd studies connection you speak about.
Thanks again!
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Bard]
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I get the feeling I'm helping you with a school paper, or something.
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Bard said: "American coffee shop folk singers" - Who are they?
This simple question has a slightly complicated answer.
It begins with popular American music during the first half of the 20th century. Yes, there were records... but they couldn't hold much sound. Also, VERY early records had to be re-recorded to be reproduced. If you wanted 10 records, you had to record the song 10 times. By the 1920's and '30's, there were better recording techniques... but records still, only held one song per side.
In the mid-late 50's the LP (Long Playing Record) was introduced. No longer did records have only 2 songs (Side A and Side B). Albums could now be produced... but more important to this story... Greatest hits albums, and Anthologies could now be made, and sold.
One Anthology in particular, Harry Smith's "American Anthology of Folk" was released around 1957. Harry Smith was an eccentric character... but he had THOUSANDS of RARE and several ONE OF A KIND VINTAGE RECORDS from the Earliest days of record recording. This collection of music captures the sound of America before the radio gave America common songs and performers to follow. It is as close as you could come to hearing American music before there was POP Music.
Yeah, The American Anthology of Folk is scratchy (Old records recorded onto NEW reciords... then played on a record player.) but to THIS DAY it is one of the greatest American Musical Releases EVER.
Bob Dylan, in particular, was profoundly influenced by this Anthology (Actually it was a 6 LP collection) To this day, he still makes references to the songs in The Anthology. Bob routinely borrows imagery, tunes, vocal style... even song titles.
Well, back in 1957, several of the Artists heard on Smith's Anthology were still alive, and the popularity of this compilation gave them a newfound following. Several of these, "Lost" American folk artists re-emerged and began playing their songs, once again. I'm not just talking about The Carter Family, Pete Seeger and Woodie Guthrie... I'm talking about people FAR less well known than that. They didn't exactly play the big venues... they played Bohemian coffee shops.
With the birth of the LP, we Americans were able to discover our folk-music tradition. America is a relatively young country... it took a while to develop folk music... and it took even longer for Americans to look back and discover their new folk traditions... but, American Folk music was finally being recognized... and (GASP!) the American YOUTH was listening.
To see video of these coffee shop folk artists, in NYC... watch Bob Dylan's "No Direction Home"... goofy, weird, cool stuff. Seeing them is better than hearing them, or reading about them.
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"the EARLY hippie bands actually were quite close to the EARLY LSD studies" - And then again, I want names, citizen, and connections... That last paragraph is quite interesting, the music and the lsd studies connection you speak about.
I wrote enough discussing coffee shops... so I'll make this one short... even though I know you're DYING for more info on this topic.
Music for Ken Kesey's Merry Prankster Kool-Aid Acid Tests were provided by a band known as The Warlocks (and later as The Grateful Dead). They were a San Francisco Band. Soon after... many MANY Popular bands FLOCKED to San Francisco.
That should be enough info to aid your searching.
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What is "Me" generation?
The generation of the 70's and 80's. It is how the generation was marketed. They were called, "Generation Me" or, "The ME Generation". Supposedly, people born into this generation had a larger sense of entitlement than the generations which preceded them.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
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many MANY Popular bands FLOCKED to San Francisco.
Despite the auspicious lead-in, A Flock of Seagulls never migrated to San Francisco, but stayed predominantly in England where they were formed and played '80s New Wave.
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And I ra-a-an I ran so far away-ay-ay.
Why DID the musicians go West in the mid-60's, Org?
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7506991 - 10/10/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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For the same reason that miners FLOCKED to the Sierra Nevada foothills in the mid/late 1800s.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7507044 - 10/10/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sure is, but great mythology when looking back. I could get lynched or banned for this, but the disco era was far more fun. There was no pretense of something great about to happen. It was much more NOW. It was, "Let's get all dressed up, get coked out, dance to mindless tunes and fuck all night long."
It was still sex, drugs and music, but without any mysticism - and this from a guy who moved to California and lived in a refurbished school bus in the middle of Silicon Valley during the technology explosion.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#7507172 - 10/10/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you read The Antipodes of the Mind: Charting the Phenomenology of the Ayahuasca Experience, by Benny Shannon?
It's by an academic psychologist from Isreal. He goes into detail about the many different things which one can experience on Ayahuasca in particular. Similar to The Varieties of the Psychedelic Experience.
Being a scientist who's experienced spontaneous mystical experiences all my life, I must say science and mysticism are not mutually exclusive. The scientific method is surely a means, but not an end, and for me neither a beigining, for the intense mystery of being is what drives my own scientific curiosity.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Freedom]
#7507406 - 10/10/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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One more thing on the mysticism front:
Any question one might have can be seen to have its source in complete mystery, especially when purely scientific answers are given. For example, I just scratched my ass.
Q. Why did I scratch my ass?
A. It was itchy
Q. Why was it itchy?
A. (ignoring for a moment the complete and utter mystery of experiential consciousness) Well the skin has these sense receptors which are connected to wisps of protoplasm we call neurons and they all communicate to send these signals to my brain, and this one sense receptor just got overactive and sent a signal when it shouldn't have.
Q. Why did it get overactive?
A. Well the receptor is really small, so small it's subject to random thermodynamic noise, and there was enough noise at that moment to trigger it.
Q. Why was there enough thermodynamic noise at that moment?
A. Well everything has been moving along in this space/time stuff for about 14 billion years or so, and it's all a consequence of that.
Q. Why?
A. Durhhh... No one knows...
You see each answer is a question leading to an absolute mystery.
I have found two absolute mysteries. One is: How/Why does anything exist at all? This is a profound mystery if you contemplate it. The second is: How/Why are we conscious?
These questions seem to kick logic's ass.
In addition, logic is completely without a motivation factor. The gears of logic could not move without something powering them. The motivation that moves the gears of logic focuses logic in a direction, and it must be in a particular direction, from a particular or perspective, because the human cannot possibly hold the near infinite details of the totality of being in it's puny little brain at once. Our brains cannot use logic to compute the total equation, only little equations which are splinters, offshoots, divisions from the whole totality. When we grab a hold of one of these splinters and raise it up as some sort of truth, something free of the great mystery of being, we are merely, illogically, fooling ourselves.
Another way to put it is to use a metaphor. Imagine all the individual facts in our world, in our experience of being, imgagine these facts as trees, making up a huge forest. You can connect the facts together to make a story, just like you can draw lines from tree to tree to make a path. There are an overwhelming number of ways to make a path through the forest, and they will all get you to the other side. Which is the best path? Everyone thinks they know the best path, but not one person has the capacity to evaluate all the paths.
Each and every moment exists from a source of great mystery.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Sure is, but great mythology when looking back. I could get lynched or banned for this, but the disco era was far more fun. There was no pretense of something great about to happen. It was much more NOW. It was, "Let's get all dressed up, get coked out, dance to mindless tunes and fuck all night long."
It was still sex, drugs and music, but without any mysticism - and this from a guy who moved to California and lived in a refurbished school bus in the middle of Silicon Valley during the technology explosion.
This is sorta' a reply to Mr. freedom, too.
I hear what you're saying Org.
AND, guilt free coke IS the BEST thing in the WORLD... followed by sex, and rock & roll. Yes, in THAT order. The only way I'll ever do coke again, is if it is guilt free.
That said, the music of the 70's sucked... for the most part.
You know it. I know it.
(prepare yourself for a rough transition)
I HIGHLY suspect spirituality's only purpose is a CREATIVE one. It IS what humans do: we create.
(Told you. Rough one, huh?)
Say what you will about the fun of the 70's (I envy you.)... I do believe there was something lacking from the music; a huge part of the human experience. SOUL.
Bogus or not, Spirituality IS a helluva ride. AND, it makes great... no, not great... it makes BETTER art.
I actually think I can prove that.
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Not too recent, but great stuff: Jeremy Narby - The Cosmic Serpent.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Middleman]
#7507969 - 10/11/07 07:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cervantes: Thanks for the info! It's not for school, I'm just interested in history, entheogen history, and hippie history... I've heard much about the Ken Kesey and Grateful Dead connection, so good you explained the other field better...
About the seventies, I don't know much, but remember a guy in Liquid Crystal Vision saying that disco grew out of psychedelia, and when he went to a disco back then, he took acid... Just throwing in thoughts.
-------------------- So dreaming let's you know reality exists.
I don't belive. I fear.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Bard]
#7508894 - 10/11/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bard said: About the seventies, I don't know much, but remember a guy in Liquid Crystal Vision saying that disco grew out of psychedelia, and when he went to a disco back then, he took acid... Just throwing in thoughts.
And Rap/Hip-Hop came from removing the SINGING from disco records. Instead, folks started beat-nicking to the disco beats.
This also, happened first in NYC... the Bronx I believe.
Odd how it all flows together.
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