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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7507012 - 10/10/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It is a silly story, isn't it?


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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
    #7507044 - 10/10/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sure is, but great mythology when looking back. I could get lynched or banned for this, but the disco era was far more fun. There was no pretense of something great about to happen. It was much more NOW. It was, "Let's get all dressed up, get coked out, dance to mindless tunes and fuck all night long."

It was still sex, drugs and music, but without any mysticism - and this from a guy who moved to California and lived in a refurbished school bus in the middle of Silicon Valley during the technology explosion.


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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: 2FiNiTe]
    #7507172 - 10/10/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Have you read The Antipodes of the Mind: Charting the Phenomenology of the Ayahuasca Experience, by Benny Shannon?

It's by an academic psychologist from Isreal. He goes into detail about the many different things which one can experience on Ayahuasca in particular. Similar to The Varieties of the Psychedelic Experience.

Being a scientist who's experienced spontaneous mystical experiences all my life, I must say science and mysticism are not mutually exclusive. The scientific method is surely a means, but not an end, and for me neither a beigining, for the intense mystery of being is what drives my own scientific curiosity.


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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Freedom]
    #7507406 - 10/10/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

One more thing on the mysticism front:

Any question one might have can be seen to have its source in complete mystery, especially when purely scientific answers are given. For example, I just scratched my ass.

Q. Why did I scratch my ass?

A. It was itchy

Q. Why was it itchy?

A. (ignoring for a moment the complete and utter mystery of experiential consciousness) Well the skin has these sense receptors which are connected to wisps of protoplasm we call neurons and they all communicate to send these signals to my brain, and this one sense receptor just got overactive and sent a signal when it shouldn't have.

Q. Why did it get overactive?

A. Well the receptor is really small, so small it's subject to random thermodynamic noise, and there was enough noise at that moment to trigger it.

Q. Why was there enough thermodynamic noise at that moment?

A. Well everything has been moving along in this space/time stuff for about 14 billion years or so, and it's all a consequence of that.

Q. Why?

A. Durhhh... No one knows...

You see each answer is a question leading to an absolute mystery.

I have found two absolute mysteries. One is: How/Why does anything exist at all? This is a profound mystery if you contemplate it. The second is: How/Why are we conscious?

These questions seem to kick logic's ass.

In addition, logic is completely without a motivation factor. The gears of logic could not move without something powering them. The motivation that moves the gears of logic focuses logic in a direction, and it must be in a particular direction, from a particular or perspective, because the human cannot possibly hold the near infinite details of the totality of being in it's puny little brain at once. Our brains cannot use logic to compute the total equation, only little equations which are splinters, offshoots, divisions from the whole totality. When we grab a hold of one of these splinters and raise it up as some sort of truth, something free of the great mystery of being, we are merely, illogically, fooling ourselves.

Another way to put it is to use a metaphor. Imagine all the individual facts in our world, in our experience of being, imgagine these facts as trees, making up a huge forest. You can connect the facts together to make a story, just like you can draw lines from tree to tree to make a path. There are an overwhelming number of ways to make a path through the forest, and they will all get you to the other side. Which is the best path? Everyone thinks they know the best path, but not one person has the capacity to evaluate all the paths.

Each and every moment exists from a source of great mystery.


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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7507515 - 10/10/07 11:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Sure is, but great mythology when looking back. I could get lynched or banned for this, but the disco era was far more fun. There was no pretense of something great about to happen. It was much more NOW. It was, "Let's get all dressed up, get coked out, dance to mindless tunes and fuck all night long."

It was still sex, drugs and music, but without any mysticism - and this from a guy who moved to California and lived in a refurbished school bus in the middle of Silicon Valley during the technology explosion.




This is sorta' a reply to Mr. freedom, too.

I hear what you're saying Org.

AND, guilt free coke IS the BEST thing in the WORLD... followed by sex, and rock & roll. Yes, in THAT order. The only way I'll ever do coke again, is if it is guilt free.

That said, the music of the 70's sucked... for the most part.

You know it. I know it.

(prepare yourself for a rough transition)

I HIGHLY suspect spirituality's only purpose is a CREATIVE one. It IS what humans do: we create.

(Told you. Rough one, huh?)

Say what you will about the fun of the 70's (I envy you.)... I do believe there was something lacking from the music; a huge part of the human experience. SOUL.

Bogus or not, Spirituality IS a helluva ride. AND, it makes great... no, not great... it makes BETTER art.

I actually think I can prove that.


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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7507758 - 10/11/07 02:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Not too recent, but great stuff: Jeremy Narby - The Cosmic Serpent.


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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Middleman]
    #7507969 - 10/11/07 07:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Cervantes: Thanks for the info! It's not for school, I'm just interested in history, entheogen history, and hippie history... I've heard much about the Ken Kesey and Grateful Dead connection, so good you explained the other field better...

About the seventies, I don't know much, but remember a guy in Liquid Crystal Vision saying that disco grew out of psychedelia, and when he went to a disco back then, he took acid... Just throwing in thoughts.


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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Bard]
    #7508894 - 10/11/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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About the seventies, I don't know much, but remember a guy in Liquid Crystal Vision saying that disco grew out of psychedelia, and when he went to a disco back then, he took acid... Just throwing in thoughts.




And Rap/Hip-Hop came from removing the SINGING from disco records. Instead, folks started beat-nicking to the disco beats.

This also, happened first in NYC... the Bronx I believe.

Odd how it all flows together.


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