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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7492937 - 10/06/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was 'there' and you only missed the fantasy.
The 'Movement' mirrored a psychedelic trip. It seemed as if one was getting closer to something special; yet both were illusory.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7492969 - 10/06/07 10:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, god also gave us lot of BS.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: shakercee]
#7492984 - 10/06/07 11:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7493218 - 10/07/07 12:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ELECTRIC KOOL-AID ACID TEST
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these forums are full of rich content maybe the book author thing is not necessary we are already viral
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7494134 - 10/07/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: these forums are full of rich content
You could actually make a damn solid read out of various posts and threads from internet drug forums.
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Check out Pinchbeck's new one, 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl, it follows the 2012 "idea" but he does a great job of it. Its basically about the fact that science and mysticism are merging and both pointing to one inevitable end, a evolution in human consciousness.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#7494234 - 10/07/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Science & mysticism are merging?
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Read the book before you laugh. 2 words, quantum physics.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Science & mysticism are merging?
Do you consider Psychology a science? Psychology bridges the gap between objective science and subjective experience (and on the edges of consciousness research, mysticism).
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#7494300 - 10/07/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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A book is going to tell me more than a lifetime of exposing mysticism as bunk? I look around my room and everything in it is a result of science. Not one thing is a result of mysticism.
Pinchbeck is merely riding the McKenna/internet 2012 craze. Not one single 'believer' has been able to state what EXACTLY will happen or why, nor make a wager with me as to ANYTHING AT ALL.
What this means in the real world is that AFTER Dec. 2012, the 'believers' will BACK-FIT some world event and say, see? But that is not how prophecy or science or anything else works.
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It's not possible to expose mysticism as bunk. Maybe paranormal claims and the like, but never mysticism, because it is subjective and has absolutely no objective reality.
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Oh, MYSTICISM exists, as well as SPIRITUALITY. Humans have the capacity for BOTH trains of thought. I just can't say if either exists beyond a Philosophical state.
But, just because you can't disprove it doesn't mean you can PROVE it, either.
Conspiracy theorists use that line o logic ALL the time... "Well, prove it DIDN'T happen the way we SAY it did!"
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7494557 - 10/07/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is true, but the important differing aspect is that conspiracy theorists are dealing in the realms of objective truth, thus their claims should be placed under scrutiny and they should have to carry the burden of proof.
To ask a mystic to prove his experiences is not only silly, but shows the ignorance of the person asking for proof and his or her incapability to think abstractly. These people are called materialists.
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* or realists.
Depends which side of the theological argument you're on.
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OrgoneConclusion said: A book is going to tell me more than a lifetime of exposing mysticism as bunk? I look around my room and everything in it is a result of science. Not one thing is a result of mysticism.
there are definitions of mysticism which have to do with attaining a certain experience of wholeness, or connection with oneself and nature which brings self-realization and experiences that are completely new and not comprehensible by the mind. i am not speaking for all definition of mysticism.
how could you expose this kind of mysticism, that which has to do with personal experience?
mys·ti·cism (mĭs'tĭ-sĭz'ə;m) n.
2. The experience of such communion as described by mystics.
can you prove all experience?
i am skeptical if you think you can.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: Rose]
#7494707 - 10/07/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: * or realists.
Depends which side of the theological argument you're on.
which realist are you talking about?
i like Gurdjieff's take on realism -
Spiritual Realism
You are not happy. You may enjoy periods of relative happiness and you may be happier than other people that you know, but you are not as happy as you'd like to be or as happy as you can be. How do I know? First of all, if you were completely satisfied with your life you wouldn't be holding this book in your hands right now. Second, it is very rare to find people that are in touch with certain realities regarding their existence that lead to lasting happiness.
Spiritual Realism works in two ways. First, it will challenge the way you think about yourself and your personal reality construct, or in simpler terms, what you think is real. Your illusions need to be shattered in order to achieve the bliss that you desire, yet has been eluding you for so long. Second, this book will teach you a series of techniques that will make you happier and more content with your life if you practice them sincerely over an extended period of time. Spiritual Realism works. It cannot fail to work. Good luck!
IMPORTANT NOTE: If you have strong religious beliefs you will likely find views in this book disturbing.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: onlynow]
#7494727 - 10/07/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Again... Mysticism exists... it is wrapped up within the definition of another, more important word, "Spirituality". Both have been proven to exist but ONLY WITHIN the human mind.
The thing is; Mysticism AND Spirituality are both INTANGIBLE by definition.
If they WERE proven to EXIST outside the human mind, they'd CEASE to be mystical or spiritual... because if they WERE proven to exist, they'd become TANGIBLE. They'd become REAL. Therefore they'd no longer fit their own definitions.
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Re: New / Recent Psychonaut Authors? [Re: onlynow]
#7494743 - 10/07/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is 2012 going to be or contain an objective event that we all can witness or not?
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