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    #7481346 - 10/03/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Why is everyone so scared?

'Bad' trips are one of them buzz words. A 'bad' trip is a good thing (in my experience), and lots of people here will argue that there is no such thing as a bad trip. A 'bad' trip is a lower, less socially exposed, level of consciousness (i.e the real you) reaffirming your beliefs and 'moral'/ social / spiritual values. In my experience you only stand to benefit from a 'bad' trip, unless your one of those people that will fight the experience all the way, and refuse to learn the lessons _you_ are trying to teach _yourself_. At the end of the day its all you.

What happened to all the fearless explorers? :frown:


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Re: Scared [Re: Cepheus]
    #7481393 - 10/03/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree, bad trips are part of the process.

The reason many people see them as bad is because sometimes they can be so fuckin unimaginably horryfying that people are scared to ever wander back into that chaotic place. And through word-of-mouth, they manage to earn a bad rep.

I find bad trips were necessary in my development, and I thank the universe for being able to make the experiences possible.

People just need to be more comfortable with the amazingness and beauty of the universe to truly embrace all lessons that can be learned. Then perhaps there would be no "bad" trips, but the different levels of emotions and the thoughts and teachings that acompany them.


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Re: Scared [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7481449 - 10/03/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

there's a big difference between a bad trip on mushrooms and a bad trip on lsd
bad trips on mushrooms can be horrifying, but when the effects wear off, the bad trip usually also wears off
maybe you learnt a thing or two, maybe you didn't
a bad trip on lsd may turn your life into a chaotic mess
ever got one of those thought loops, which will not stop, even when your sober?
ever saw everything in front of your eyes splitting up into tiny tiny particles, spiking your brain?
i don't know, these are my experiences and i cannot write them down here, because of a lack of words
but a bad trip on lsd CAN make your life NOT worth living
i'm sure a mushroom trip can do the same thing, but for me, LSD is the only drug, that, from consuming it once, can split you up into an near infinite amount of particles
you can then collect them together and build yourself up again, which is pretty hard, if not impossible to do
for me, lsd is the most dangerous drug to the psyche, there is


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Re: Scared [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7481463 - 10/03/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I actually agree too. Last night was my first experience with what is considered a "bad trip", but like I said in my trip report, I do not actually look back on it as a terrible experience.
After reading some information about out of body experiences, I believe that this is what I had. Of course it was not as enjoyable as a nice, relaxing, low dose of something. The paranoia and anxiety were not enjoyable, but the amount of introspection and exploration into my mind made it all worth it. I don't exactly remember what it was that I thought about, but after the peak of my trip, and on the come down, I was thinking to myself, "wow, I feel more at ease with my life, and more connected to my soul and the world around me"


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Re: Scared [Re: epilectric]
    #7481482 - 10/03/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My friend had / has a drug induced psychosis after having a bad trip on acid, ketamine and pills.

They have him dosed up on olanzapine nowdays, and hes started college again. I spoke to him about it (I felt bad cause I sold him the acid.. and hes one of my close friends) and he said he thought he had to destroy the world, and kill his parents. I'm not even lying.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6853717#6853717
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6889166#6889166


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Re: Scared [Re: TylerxDurden]
    #7481552 - 10/03/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i must disagree. i think its unfair to just have a category called "bad trips" because then everyone who has any kind of negative experience while on a hallucinogen is gonna call it a bad trip. i think a truly BAD trip is quite rare....some people get anxious, scared, depressed, etc, but these are just sorta bad experiences sprinkled in with regular sorta trips, i think.

however, imo, bad trips do exist. i have serious anxiety issues, and lemmie tell ya, if you're on a good amount of shrooms and get cought in a thought loop in which you're anxious/nervous, it can be really REALLY bad. i wouldnt say that ive had a really bad trip, but ive gone through some very stressful, upsetting and emotionally painful trips. if your in a shitty mindset, you really shouldnt be doing hallucinogens. 2 holloweens ago i took shrooms, it was a day or two after my grandfather went in for his final hospital stay (final as in he died) he haddent died yet, but i couldnt get death out of my mind, and thats not a fun way to trip

you're probabaly a veteran psychonaut, right? most of us here are, i assume, and its pretty hard to imagine yourself, with 3 or 4 dozen trips under your belt getting freaked out because of a strong trip, or an upsetting thought or two, ey? it is for me.... but consider for a moment the ultra-noob...this ultra noob doesnt know what hes getting himself into, doesnt really know anyone whos had experiences with acid, smoked weed maybe once or twice, and maybe drinks on the weekends, but wants to take some lsd to see some pretty colors or go to alice's wonderland (or whatever the fuck noobs think theyr doing) he proceeds to NOT look up any info about how much to take or what to expect and he and his friends go get some acid, and the (very experienced) dealer says theyr kinda weak, take two or three....they each get three hits....


for some reason this is starting to sound like a truth commercial as im typing it, and quite far from reality, but if you think about the worst case scenario of someone of weak mental and emotional fortitude not knowing what to get themselves into, and then getting very scared, for any number of reasons, you have to admit that there is the potential for an awfuly bad trip....all you need is one or two of these noobs to tell their friends how horribly scary it was and bam, the myth of the bad trip


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Re: Scared [Re: Cepheus]
    #7481870 - 10/03/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Cepheus said:
Why is everyone so scared?

'Bad' trips are one of them buzz words. A 'bad' trip is a good thing (in my experience), and lots of people here will argue that there is no such thing as a bad trip. A 'bad' trip is a lower, less socially exposed, level of consciousness (i.e the real you) reaffirming your beliefs and 'moral'/ social / spiritual values. In my experience you only stand to benefit from a 'bad' trip, unless your one of those people that will fight the experience all the way, and refuse to learn the lessons _you_ are trying to teach _yourself_. At the end of the day its all you.

What happened to all the fearless explorers? :frown:





Ahhhh, could not have explained this better myself. Bad trips are a lesson learner and steered me away from all the bad things i ahd going on in my life now im living good and going back to MIlitary school. If you have a bad trip just ride it, its like a greek tragedy.


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Re: Scared [Re: GbBaker]
    #7481883 - 10/03/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I've never had a bad trip

I've had trips that weren't the greatest, but nothing serious. I almost want to have a really bad trip just to see what it's like


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