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http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2002/7/14/212102

Amnesty International Condemns Palestinian Suicide Bombings

"There can be no doubt that more than ever before, the world beyond Israel and the United States is awakening to the inhumanity of Palestinian suicide bombings and is finally responding," declared American Jewish Congress President Jack Rosen today, after Amnesty International issued a scathing condemnation of the attacks. The London-based organization's report called the suicide bombings crimes against humanity, adding that no Israeli action provided a justification for the killing of civilians.

"We have often been frustrated by Amnesty International's positions regarding the Middle East conflict, in which Israeli actions have been condemned far more vigorously than the Palestinian violence which produced those responses," said Rosen from Paris, where he is leading an AJC delegation that is meeting with the French government to demand action against anti-Semitic violence.

"We have been waiting for this condemnation of suicide bombings from Amnesty International for a long time, but the strong language, the use of words such as 'crimes against humanity' and 'war crimes,' sends out an unmistakable message that the Palestinians have brought shame on their society through their use of, and toleration of, violence.

"Perhaps Amnesty International's response will lead to similar condemnations from the United Nations and even the Arab world," Rosen said. "Clearly, the tide is turning in the battle for the conscience of the world."

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Well, how about that?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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fukin,. you suck big hairy balls, thas what i think.

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: nugsarenice]
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Awww, what's the matter Nugs?

Don't you like what Amnesty International had to say on this?

Nugs, you are an idiot.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: nugsarenice]
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Here, complete with the link, is the actual press release:

http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/recent/MDE151042002!Open

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
PRESS RELEASE


Israel / Occupied Territories / Palestinian Authority: Amnesty International report calls on Palestinian armed groups to stop civilian killings


Since the beginning of the Al-Aqsa intifada in September 2000 at least 350 civilians, most of them Israeli, have been killed in over 128 attacks by Palestinian armed groups and Palestinian individuals, Amnesty International documented in a report launched in Gaza.
The report "Without distinction: attacks on civilians by Palestinian armed groups" is the seventh major report on the human rights situation in the region published by the organization since the beginning of the intifada.

"Whatever the cause for which people are fighting, there can never be a justification for direct attacks on civilians," said Amnesty International.

The victims of these attacks ranged from children as young as five months to elderly people. The oldest was Chanah Rogan, aged 90. She was killed in the bombing of a hotel at the celebration of Passover on 27 March 2002 in Netanya. Most victims were killed by suicide bomb attacks within Israel claiming 184 victims of the 350 civilians killed.

Palestinian armed groups offer a variety of reasons for targeting Israeli civilians from retaliating against Israeli killing of Palestinian civilians to fighting an occupying power. Other justifications claim that Israeli settlers are not civilians or that striking at civilians is the only way to make an impact on a powerful adversary.

Under international law there is no justification for attacking civilians. Targeting civilians is contrary to fundamental principles of humanity enshrined in international law which should apply in all circumstances at all times. Amnesty International unreservedly condemns attacks on civilians, whatever reason the perpetrators give to their action.

"Civilians should never be the focus of attacks, not in the name of security and not in the name of liberty. We call on the leadership of all Palestinian armed groups to cease attacking civilians, immediately and unconditionally," Amnesty International stressed.

The organization urges the Palestinian Authority to arrest and bring to justice those who order, plan or carry out attacks on civilians. The Palestinian Authority and Israel have a duty to take measures to prevent attacks on civilians. Such measures must always be in accordance with international human rights standards.

Amnesty International also calls on Israel to ensure that all its actions against armed groups and individuals suspected of involvement in attacks against civilians comply with international human rights and humanitarian law standards. Amnesty International calls on the international community to assist the Palestinian Authority to improve the effectiveness of its criminal justice system and its compliance with international human rights standards, in particular by offering international experts to advise on and monitor investigations into attacks against civilians and legal proceedings against those alleged to be responsible.

A growing number of Palestinians believe that targeting civilians is morally wrong. Amnesty International welcomes Palestinian and other voices who publicly condemn attacks on civilians and urges Palestinians and people around the world to appeal to armed groups to end attacks on civilians.


Background:

Amnesty International has for many years documented and condemned violations of international human rights and humanitarian law by Israel directed against the Palestinian population of the Occupied Territories. They include unlawful killings, extra-judicial executions, torture and ill-treatment, arbitrary detention and collective punishments such as punitive closures of areas and destruction of homes.

Palestinian armed groups and Palestinian individuals who may not have been acting on behalf of a group are estimated to have killed more than 350 civilians since the 29 September 2000. Among the victims were over 60 children and 64 of the people killed were older than 60 years of age.

Of the 128 lethal attacks against civilians studied by Amnesty International in this report 25 were committed by people who had strapped explosives to themselves and died in the attacks. On six other occasions civilians were killed by explosives that were planted, thrown or fired. Other incidents involved shootings and stabbing.

The great majority of attacks took place in the Occupied Territories. While there were far fewer attacks within Israel, they claimed 210 victims of the 350 civilians killed.

Armed groups reportedly claimed responsibility for about half of the lethal attacks on civilians of the 128 attacks surveyed by Amnesty International. The main groups involved were Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades (Hamas), Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PLPF).

The UN General Assembly has recognized the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples against foreign occupation in the exercise of their right to self-determination and independence. However, international law requires all parties involved in a conflict to always distinguish between civilians and people actively taking part in the hostilities. They must make every effort to protect civilians from harm.


The report, Without distinction - attacks on civilians by Palestinian armed groups, is available on-line at:

http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/recent/MDE020032002!Open

For the latest information on Israel/Occupied Territories visit:

http://web.amnesty.org/web/web.nsf/pages/iot_home


Nugs, you are an idiot.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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no, i just thought i'd mention that. you post alot of bs, without actual opinoin,, i mean do you have an idea for a solution,, or do you just want to be pessimistic all day?

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: nugsarenice]
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like, are you going to fly to palestine,, and say,, hey I found this on the web!!!!!

read it over,, don't you speak english! etc. etc. etc.



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Re: Well Well Well [Re: nugsarenice]
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In reply to:
you post alot of bs



That's one of the funniest things I've seen you write.

I've given my opinion on this matter. But since you've killed off far too many brain cells to remember, here it is again.

Both sides are fucked up in what they do. However once some Palestinians started in with their homicide bombings, they lost all right to remain alive and free to carry on with more bombings.

As I have said before.... each time there is another bombing, Israel should completely remove a Palestinian city from the face of the earth.

For those who feel this is too harsh, at least track down every member of the bombers family (grandparents, fathers, mothers, siblings, neices, nephews, cousins at least 5 times removed) and blow them up with a bomb.

And I post many opinions. Stop doing drugs and you may remember some.

Nugs, you are an idiot.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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fukin yeah,, thas why you suck big hairy balls,. sorry, but violence is'n the awnser.

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: nugsarenice]
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In reply to:
but violence is'n the awnser



I wish it were so, but sometimes there is no other answer. What would you do? Get them all high? HAHHAHAHHAHAH!

Nugs, you are an idiot.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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fukin, right,, know you thinking with your consciense,, my honest opinon on the situation, is to reformat our country,, make more available to immigration,, and provide a means for these palestinians to leave the war zone that the middle east is. That would defeinitely solve the problem. and upon arrival i blaze with all of them.

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: nugsarenice]
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Well at least before you go off to the farm, or is it off to sea, at least you've raised the bar for the next idiot so high as to never surpass you.

Which story is it today Nugs? Farm or sea?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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somtim,, really all depends

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: nugsarenice]
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KEEP THIS IN MIND !!!!!!!


" Throughout the world, on any given day, a man, woman or child is likely to be displaced, tortured, killed or "disappeared", at the hands of governments or armed political groups. More often than not, the United States shares the blame."

-- Amnesty International, in its annual report on U.S. military aid and human rights, 1996



"If they turn on the radars we're going to blow up their goddamn SAMs (surface-to-air missiles). They know we own their country. We own their airspace... We dictate the way they live and talk. And that's what's great about America right now. It's a good thing, especially when there's a lot of oil out there we need."

--U.S. Brig. General William Looney (Interview Washington Post, August 30, 1999) [Referring to the brutal mass-murder of hundreds of civilian Iraqi men, women and children during 10,000 sorties by American/British war criminals in the first eight months of 1999]



" We lack a Nuremberg to judge the economic order imposed upon us, where every three years more men, women and children die of hunger and preventable diseases than died in the Second World War. "

-- Fidel Castro, at a summit of Third World countries in Havana, April 12, 2000




"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens."

-- Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D., former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werner



We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001. Given the Israeli phone-tapping spy scandal on the US uncovered recently as the largest ever spy ring in the USA's history, he may well be right.


"The United States is not nearly so concerned that its acts be kept secret from its intended victims as it is that the American people not know of them."

-?U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark



SPOT THE DIFFERENCE?
``The [government] must put the most modern medical means in the service of this knowledge.... Those who are physically and mentally unhealthy and unworthy must not perpetuate their suffering in the body of their children.... The prevention of the faculty and opportunity to procreate on the part of the physically degenerate and mentally sick, over a period of only 600 years, would ... free humanity from an immeasurable misfortune.''
-- Adolf Hitler


``The per capita income gap between the developed and the developing countries is increasing, in large part the result of higher birth rates in the poorer countries.... Famine in India, unwanted babies in the United States, poverty that seemed to form an unbreakable chain for millions of people--how should we tackle these problems?.... It is quite clear that one of the major challenges of the 1970s ... will be to curb the world's fertility.''
-- George H. W. Bush



"The U.S.A. has supplied arms, security equipment and training to governments and armed groups that have committed torture, political killings and other human rights abuses in countries around the world."

--Amnesty International ["United States of America - Rights for All" October 1998]


'We have about 60% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its' population. In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world benefaction. We should cease to talk about such vague and unreal objectives as human rights, the raising of living standards and democratisation. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."

-- George Kennan, former Head of the US State Department Policy Planning Staff, Document PPS23, 24th February 1948
DIE! anyway moving on......

and how are human rights "vague"???

"It's a hard decision, but we think the price ... is worth it."

-- Secretary of State Madelaine Albright talking about the 500,000 Iraqi children killed as a result of the US embargo of food and medicine.

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"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."

-- Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State under Richard Nixon, about Chile prior to the CIA overthrow of the democratically elected government of socialist President Salvadore Allende in 1973

"Since it was created in 1995, the WTO has ruled that every environmental, health, or safety policy it has reviewed is an illegal trade barrier."

-- Public Citizen report, titled 'Whose Trade Organization? Corporate Globalization and the Erosion of Democracy." (from The Progressive magazine, January 2000, p 8


"The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology. "

-- Michael Parenti, political scientist and author



THINK
it feels good!







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"The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology. "

-- Michael Parenti, political scientist and author

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: Psilocybeing]
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psilo thanks for the quotes to an otherwise useless post of bickering

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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you're wasting your time responding to Nadsarenice...he can't read.


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: Psilocybeing]
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Psilocybeing, I'm not sure what that has to do with homicide bombers, but if you feel better now, I'm happy for you.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: Innvertigo]
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Innvertigo,

In reply to:
you're wasting your time responding to Nadsarenice...he can't read.



I know it's a lost cause, but I was having fun. I think he must have spent too many years huffing.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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****Psilocybeing, I'm not sure what that has to do with homicide bombers, but if you feel better now, I'm happy for you.***

I was wondering the same thing...

As for Nadsarenice, when i try debate him it just makes me feel smarter...i like that


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Well despite the fact that luvdemshrooms and I, more often than not, stand on opposite sides of the political forum, he is really the only one here that I have seen who has an above average inteligence and is able to back up his arguments with more than "You're a poop face" attitude.


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"A study of the history of opinion is a necessary preliminary to the emancipation of the mind. I do not know which makes a man more conservative-to know nothing but the present, or nothing but the past." -John Maynard Keynes

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
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thanks for the input .....who are you?


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

Edited by Innvertigo (07/15/02 03:32 PM)

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
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Well thanks for the kind words. There are some who post here though that make me feel rather un-educated.

I won't name them for fear of forgetting any, but you'll see whom I'm refering to as you read more here.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I like the way evolving and pinksharkmark post...i agree with them on just about everything but they have cooth(sp)...I don't..not even in my real life.


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: Innvertigo]
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Innvertigo I'm just a newbie...duh . I have a feeling I will be posting in this forum quite a bit as it looks like this a bit more of my crowd. Looks as though intelligent conversations actually do happen around here occasionally. The more and more I read though looks like you can actually back up what you say with some though too, so glad to have you around.

I would interject my opinion on the original matter but I have yet to read all of the posts that count. So maybe later...


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"A study of the history of opinion is a necessary preliminary to the emancipation of the mind. I do not know which makes a man more conservative-to know nothing but the present, or nothing but the past." -John Maynard Keynes

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
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welcome....

these threads of late have been eventless to say the least...Luvdemshrooms and i are just haveing fun with our favorite whipping boy Nadsarenice. I used to be in this forum all the time (a majority of my first 1000 posts) but how many times can you discuss the same 'ol thing until you get tired...remember just because this is the political forum doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to have a sense of humor


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: Innvertigo]
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"Psilocybeing, I'm not sure what that has to do with homicide bombers, but if you feel better now, I'm happy for you."

read it again but if you dont want to then think about your country and where it is at during this time in history and why people might want to say
blow up the world trade center
or
blow themselves up to fight ISRAEL(in a bad way I agree )
but these are people that have been back against the wall
ISRAEL and the US are both guilty of MANY crimes

ever read the book beyond belif its about how during world war 2 the stories of jews and germans(with handi caps, the sick , old etc) being killed didnt really come out in the media in any big way at all it took alot of uneeded death before the public woke up and govenments around the world acted

the problem was that MEDIA did not put the stories in the front page or report them at all other times they were way in the back and short in length

the same thing is reapeting itself in a very odd way
palestine is now being ruined by zionist policy
policy your government endorses

think
it feels good.......


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"The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology. "

-- Michael Parenti, political scientist and author

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
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RE: "Looks as though intelligent conversations actually do happen around here occasionally"....


Some of us like too check in here (right after CNN)!!



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Edited by Jammer (07/15/02 09:32 PM)

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Re: Well Well Well [Re: Psilocybeing]
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****ISRAEL and the US are both guilty of MANY crimes****

But neither have made it a doctrine to kill innocent woman, children or civilians as a primary target with homocide bombings

****ever read the book beyond belif its about how during world war 2 the stories of jews and germans(with handi caps, the sick , old etc) being killed didnt really come out in the media****

I thought this was common knowledge? You know, the perfect arian race?

****the problem was that MEDIA did not put the stories in the front page or report them at all other times they were way in the back and short in length ****

The media wasn't as involved with world affairs as it is today mind you. It's only been since Kenneddy has the media played such a huge part in our lives...if you don't believe me ask nixon.

****the same thing is reapeting itself in a very odd way palestine is now being ruined by zionist policy *****

No, the palastinians are cutting off their nose to spite their face with the homocide bombings targeting innocent civilians

****policy your government endorses****

I'll assume you're from Canada (i could be wrong) but they endorse it as well...

think
it feels good.......


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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