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OfflineThe_Shr00m_Man
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: TBags]
    #7481409 - 10/03/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

right on!


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7481494 - 10/03/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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But if you think you can come on here and post info that goes against proven methods and not get called on it then you haven't been here long enough. That's the Shroomery for you. It's tricky enough learning how to do this without bad advice.




You better watch yourself, because it's YOU who is wrong. Brown rice flour does not harbor bacterial endospores, so boiling for an hour to two hours is more than sufficient to achieve success. Grains need to be pressure cooked, but no such requirement exists with brf. I've made hundreds, if not thousands of brf cakes and the only one that contaminated was where I needed a picture of green mold for the video, so I scraped the syringe across the carpet before inoculation.

Voice your opinions and experiences people, but keep it nice. The facts are clear. If you boil a brf cake for two hours and it contaminates, it's because you did something else wrong. Water boils at 212F, and molds are killed off at 140F. That's a fact.
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: skattman1982]
    #7481558 - 10/03/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

He said he did it for just 30 mins. I still say that's wrong.

RR you even said 90 mins to 2 hrs.


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
    #7482182 - 10/03/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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right on!




there is two ways to PWN the shroomery.

1.) devote a large portion of your life to shroom reasearch and acedemics, becoming a mycologist, then devote more time than normal people post in the forums -or-

2.) grow some crappy cubenses mushrooms and take pictures of them on your girlfriends naked tits.

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folow one of those steps and i will listen to whatever you have to say bud :wink:


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: rodfarva]
    #7482414 - 10/03/07 07:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

   


Edited by Robo (08/12/15 11:18 PM)


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: Robo]
    #7482899 - 10/03/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No seriously.. look ---> thread


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: rodfarva]
    #7483065 - 10/03/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

LMAO!
And I would just like to add that for me I go for about 30mins BUT!!!
2 hours even is fine Im shure.
Plus tits and shrooms yep you cant go wrong there :laugh:


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7484978 - 10/04/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well Roger, you are the man, there is no doubt, but what about this:

Green mold spores are ubiquitous, and therefore, although BRF may not contain endospores proper, certainly the likelihood of some green spores landing on your BRF cakes as you prepare them would seem inevitable.

That is interesting what you said about mold dying at 140.

How do you explain BRF cakes that were fruited several times only to succumb to green mold after a month or so in the fruiting chamber?


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7485397 - 10/04/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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How do you explain BRF cakes that were fruited several times only to succumb to green mold after a month or so in the fruiting chamber?




At that point the mycelium colony is weak and dying (senility) and is too weak to fight off the contaminate - which at this point is probably feeding *on* the aging colony itself.


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: mycocurious]
    #7485456 - 10/04/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yea i boiled 12 cakes in a pot with a ceover on it cause i didnt have PC. after about a month i got about 6 left at 70%and the other 6 are gone to contams. i will be buying a PC, just didnt have cash at the time.


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: MikeRamos9]
    #7485521 - 10/04/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have done Fractional sterilization with 4oz brf jars. Before and it work fine.But, PCing is faster..


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: Brainiac]
    #7487025 - 10/05/07 12:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hi guys/gals,

I purchased RR's DVD, studied the brf Tek and followed it to the absolute letter, and have just birthed all 16 cakes without a single loss. Steam sterilization worked for me, and at the end of the day that is what's important.

From the short time that I have been visiting the Shroomery one of the things I realise is that not every grower has the same outcome in mind. Some people (myself included) just want to grow a few shrooms for personal use and don't need to expand into bulk, grain or poo Teks. My 16 cakes will supply me with more than enough goodness to last me a very long time.

I think what needs to be realized is we are all different, and have different outcomes from our cultivation in mind.

I have no intention of buying a PC, i.

Just my two cents.

Thanks.


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: Paradise Lost]
    #7487525 - 10/05/07 07:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If your contamination problem was mold, then it was introduced after you sterilized your jars. Water boils at 212F, and molds are killed above 135F. Rather than look at your sterilization method, I'd suggest you look at your sterile procedure later when you inoculated the jars. Good luck in the future.
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7489587 - 10/05/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I always thought green mold worked from the inside out in a cake.

Otherwise, how does it penetrate the myc.

Also, if green mold started on the outside, and worked in, then you could easily cut off, or treat the part of the cake with mold, but it only prolongs the agony.


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
    #7999725 - 02/09/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I work in HVAC I doubt that setting the jars in the boiling water is the right way to do it because something heated with steam will get hotter
than something heated with boiling water
BECAUSE water vapor can transfer a lot more heat than water liquid can
steam can transfer heat with out cooling down the way water dose to transfer heat it dose this by giving up some of it's latent heat of vaporization

to prove it try boiling some veges it tacks 15 to 20 minuets
steaming the same veges will tack 7 to 10 minuets


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: arainbow]
    #7999812 - 02/09/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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arainbow said:
I work in HVAC I doubt that setting the jars in the boiling water is the right way to do it because something heated with steam will get hotter
than something heated with boiling water
BECAUSE water vapor can transfer a lot more heat than water liquid can
steam can transfer heat with out cooling down the way water dose to transfer heat it dose this by giving up some of it's latent heat of vaporization

to prove it try boiling some veges it tacks 15 to 20 minuets
steaming the same veges will tack 7 to 10 minuets




Tack? What?


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: asknoquestions]
    #7999844 - 02/09/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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asknoquestions said:
Tack? What?




*takes

At least, I think that's what he means.


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: Elementium]
    #8000279 - 02/09/08 02:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's fun to watch every new grower with zero experience come in and tell us what's wrong with techniques that have been proved successful hundreds of thousands of times.  Ya just gotta take it with a grain of salt. :shrug:
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8003310 - 02/10/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, but helping someone on their road to hapiness is a short cut to your own.


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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: rodfarva]
    #8003539 - 02/10/08 02:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Yes, but helping someone on their road to hapiness is a short cut to your own.





The road to happiness is steaming jars? Pass that spliff over here bro. :lol:


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