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The_Shr00m_Man
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Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers
#7480953 - 10/03/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is a topic that has sparked a huge debate, but what really works? A pressure cooker works great but at the same time many either dont no how to work one or cannot afford one.Over the years I have used the boiling the jars method and has worked just fine for me, but is there a method to this madness?(Yes!)... First off you must wrap your jars in foil very good.Then you place your jars in cool water only about half way up to the jar.Put on the lid and crank the heat, make shure when it comes to a boil that it is a gentle rolling boil and cook jars for about 30mins.Turn off the heat and let the jars cool inside of the pot with the lid on still.Take out the jars and let cool for about 4 hours or so then you can move on to the next step.Can your jars funk out on you(YES!)But this can happen even when using a pressure cooker. (This is only my opinion)but it does work just fine. NOTE:make shure your kitchen is clean...Quote:
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
#7480975 - 10/03/07 12:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is no debate, the only way to sterilize is to PC, boiling will only get you to about 212 degrees, not enough to kill many bacterial endospores, 15 psi will get you to 250 degree, a minimum to sterilize.
Everyone who attempts to find a shortcut will find green meanines at every turn!
It is a 4-6 week process, why do it half assed at the beginning to save 2 hours?
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
#7480983 - 10/03/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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A pressure cooker allows water to boil at a higher temperature giving a more effective sterilising process.
Most boiling teks recomend 90 minute steam sterilising. For PC 60 minutes.
For the BRF/Verm method steaming can be successfull.
But when using grains steam sterilising cant reach the temperatures needed to kill of contams contained in grains.
Working a pressure cooker is just as easy as using a pot. Turn heat up high, then when weight lets steam escape turn down till the weight just rocks, letting out very little steam.
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You are way off dude, Im sorry but I have used the boiling method for years it is far from half ass out of 12 jars at the least I have lost maybe two jars at the most and only sometimes,seeing that this DOES work I will say to others if done right it works just fine. Even when you pressure cook you can lose jars also. Dont get caught up in the hype people if it works then it works(keep on doing it).
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
#7481005 - 10/03/07 01:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Trial and Error People Trial And Error...
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
#7481021 - 10/03/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fair enough, but for every success anecdote there are several dozen failure anecdotes, as far as I can tell.
The truth is, use any tek you can get away with, judge for yourself if contamination is a problem.
You say you might lose 10-15% of your jars max, which is tolerable to you, especially if you are only losing a jar or two each month, but I can tell you that my foaf claims ZERO contams after perhaps 1000s of PCd grain jars...again, this is only anecdotal.
But at a 10-15% contam rate, he might have lost several hundred jars to contams, versus the virtually non-existent contam ratio when PCing properly prepared grains.
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Thats cool
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
#7481075 - 10/03/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pics Shroom man or I say you are full of shit.
You are only steam sterilizing for 1/2 hour hunh? Hmm. Prove it.
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Captain Cubensis said: There is no debate, the only way to sterilize is to PC, boiling will only get you to about 212 degrees, not enough to kill many bacterial endospores, 15 psi will get you to 250 degree, a minimum to sterilize.
Everyone who attempts to find a shortcut will find green meanines at every turn!
It is a 4-6 week process, why do it half assed at the beginning to save 2 hours?
Green mold is killed by steam sterilization, so green meanies will be the fault of unsterile inoculation or poor FAE, not steam sterilizing, IIRC.
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: mushbaby]
#7481131 - 10/03/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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LMAO!
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
#7481139 - 10/03/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOOK! like I said before, all comments are welcome good or bad!Its my Opinion from trial and error,it works for me but maybe not for another, either way you take it, thats fine with me.;)
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
#7481166 - 10/03/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well here's the thing, you registered two days ago. Doesn't mean you don't know what you are talking about, I know.
But if you think you can come on here and post info that goes against proven methods and not get called on it then you haven't been here long enough. That's the Shroomery for you. It's tricky enough learning how to do this without bad advice. Alot of new people don't know to read how long someone's been on here before following their advice.
The saying around here is "Pics or it didn't happen." Period.
And btw, welcome to the shroomery.
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: mushbaby]
#7481206 - 10/03/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look I have been around for awhile I AM NOT NEW TO SHROOMERY. I have read many teks posted on this site even the new ones. I am not going agianst anything as far as proven or theory. Im just posting what has worked for me and countless others that have used the old school way of growing for YEARS!far before the pressure cooker method or spore syringes. I f you dont like this method or think it will not work for you,hey thats fine dont do it!
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
#7481253 - 10/03/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by Robo (08/12/15 11:17 PM)
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: Robo]
#7481285 - 10/03/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I AGREE pressure cooker is far better but dont rule out the boiling method either when it has worked well for me also,all I am saying is that some people cannot either use one right or cannot afford one, dont worry about it there is another method thats all i am really trying to say in all this. What method do you use Shr00m Man? honestly a pressure cooker. But before we used pressure cookers we had the cooking pot...:)
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
#7481314 - 10/03/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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boiling works fine.
not many people seem to realize their work space is more infested with mold spores than others. the less mold goes into the jar the better. if a work space is generally light on mold spores, clean and sterile then boiling has to kill off less shit and that's it.
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
#7481329 - 10/03/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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But if you think you can come on here and post info that goes against proven methods and not get called on it then you haven't been here long enough. That's the Shroomery for you. It's tricky enough learning how to do this without bad advice.
You better watch yourself, because it's YOU who is wrong. Brown rice flour does not harbor bacterial endospores, so boiling for an hour to two hours is more than sufficient to achieve success. Grains need to be pressure cooked, but no such requirement exists with brf. I've made hundreds, if not thousands of brf cakes and the only one that contaminated was where I needed a picture of green mold for the video, so I scraped the syringe across the carpet before inoculation.
Voice your opinions and experiences people, but keep it nice. The facts are clear. If you boil a brf cake for two hours and it contaminates, it's because you did something else wrong. Water boils at 212F, and molds are killed off at 140F. That's a fact. RR
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7481336 - 10/03/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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And let me add and I am sorry for not putting this down but... When you boil, 4oz. jars are the prime in this method because it is far more forgiving then the 1/2ers and the mycellum takes over the jars alot quicker before(in most cases)then other types of microbes can destroy your project.
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: The_Shr00m_Man]
#7481382 - 10/03/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im not saying at all that I know it all ok,BUT!boiling does work,as far as grains go I do agree they must be pressure cooked back when shroomery came out in many teks boiling was the way at that time and only I would say three or four teks used the pressure cooker. In 1977(could of been earler I forget)High Times first shroom kits to the public were offered by HOMESTEAD in that there directions for home shroom making was boil boil boil!as time went on boiling was replaced by the pressure cooker because the only way at that time to be even close to that was for one to by a autoclave which was way out of peoples budgets, for those who did boil did that mean 0% success rate? NO they did grow so my point being were there is a will theres a way
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Re: Boiling Jars VS. Pressure Cookers [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7481392 - 10/03/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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But if you think you can come on here and post info that goes against proven methods and not get called on it then you haven't been here long enough. That's the Shroomery for you. It's tricky enough learning how to do this without bad advice.
You better watch yourself, because it's YOU who is wrong. Brown rice flour does not harbor bacterial endospores, so boiling for an hour to two hours is more than sufficient to achieve success. Grains need to be pressure cooked, but no such requirement exists with brf. I've made hundreds, if not thousands of brf cakes and the only one that contaminated was where I needed a picture of green mold for the video, so I scraped the syringe across the carpet before inoculation.
Voice your opinions and experiences people, but keep it nice. The facts are clear. If you boil a brf cake for two hours and it contaminates, it's because you did something else wrong. Water boils at 212F, and molds are killed off at 140F. That's a fact. RR
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