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xaeviax
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Need everyones help!
#7480711 - 10/03/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im almost 21 years old and I live with my parents and my brother, who is 17. My mom has found his weed a number of times and just kind of brushed it off and ignored it. But today she found it in her car. My brother says it fell out of his pocket. Just so you all know my father works on an oil rig in the Gulf so he is gone for weeks at a time.
Anyways, she was going off on him about smoking weed, and its really none of my business so I left them to their argument. Then I heard my mother say that weed can be dangerous because it can be laced with other drugs and that she has a friend who is institutionalized for smoking LSD laced marijuana.
Thats when I stepped into the conversation. I informed her that LSD cannot be smoked and she vehemently disagreed with me. Now, I'm not taking my brothers or my mothers side because the fact of the matter is my brother doesn't respect anyone, especially my mom. He leaves weed and cigars and grinders and all sorts of things just sitting around his room where its very easy for my mom to find them. And, as you may be able to tell from her comment, my mother knows nothing of the world of marijuana and the like.
I want to sit my mother down and really try to show her that marijuana is not the "life-taker" the propagandists say it is. I want to do this right though, I dont want it to turn into an argument. I have been doing some research on the internet but it seems all I can find is negative, mostly bullshit, facts. Is there any website, book or material of any sort anyone can recommend so that I can go into this knowing what im going to say and how im going to respond to her beliefs?
Im also planning on letting her know that ive ventured outside of marijuana use and have experimented with other drugs and im alright. Im not insane, institutionalized, not in jail, not a criminal, etc. If anyone can point me in the right direction id be very happy. Thanks.
Also, I hope I put this in the right forum, if not could a mod move it to the right one.
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Edited by xaeviax (10/03/07 12:01 PM)
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: xaeviax]
#7480730 - 10/03/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wouldn't even try to convince her of anything at all. There's no talking to these people, believe me. You just can't seem to get through the gossip,rumors,horror stories,myths,Christian morals, and propaganda that you have to chip away at before you actually get to their core. Sometimes not even cold hard facts and research can sway some people's blind followings and causes. Been there, done that.
You can try, though.
Edited by Adagio (10/03/07 12:06 PM)
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: xaeviax]
#7480736 - 10/03/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I'm not the best person to ask but I can say this.
Make sure that you don't sit her down and say something like "I want to explain how this stuff really works." Because I know that when I try to say something like that to my mother she thinks that I am trying to tell her she is stupid.
These kinds of things are really hard to explain to someone who has been on the biased side of something their whole life. Take caution.
About the LSD. The kind of heat produced from fire would most likely destroy the LSD. According to erowid, there have been reports of it working before but it is hard to do and people don't go out of the way to lace marijuana with LSD. On another note it would be pretty expensive.
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: Jair]
#7481151 - 10/03/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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About the LSD. The kind of heat produced from fire would most likely destroy the LSD. According to erowid, there have been reports of it working before but it is hard to do and people don't go out of the way to lace marijuana with LSD. On another note it would be pretty expensive.
I believe she may be talking about PCP laced cannabis....
A FOAF killed himself after smoking PCP laced cannabis(A few months after)...No joke.
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7481315 - 10/03/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Teotzlcoatl said: I believe she may be talking about PCP laced cannabis....
Most likely the case. An uncle of a friend of mine ended up in a mental institution for some time after getting ahold of some laced marijuana.
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: xaeviax]
#7481339 - 10/03/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I tried to have this kind of conversation with my mom once. It just didn't work out too well, all it did was make both of us mad.
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: Robo]
#7481578 - 10/03/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just wouldent even bother with it. Your not going to accomplish much. Its not like shed ever pick it up just cause u told her a couple of facts... just my thoughts on the matter.
Happy Hunting.
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I've managed to converse with my mother about psychedelics and stuff without it turning into a heated argument. The key I found was not talk about me or anyone I knew doing them and just talking in generalities. After a few months of talking with her she thinks its ok if I experiment with them as long as I'm careful and don't do it just to get "fucked up" (like frat boys drinking). Not that she'd really be able to stop me either way, I've been out of the house living on my own for years now but its just nice to be able to talk to your mother about something that is a pretty important part of my life. Basically start slow, start completely detached from personal experience and try to detach it from your brother as well and just talk about the drugs. See how she reacts, if she starts reacting positively then keep up the talks and if not then stop. I basically just talked to my mom about this sort of stuff when ever we'd talk and after maybe a year she just came out and told me that she'd be ok with me experimenting. I didn't ask, and I didn't push. You're results may vary.
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: pasteface]
#7481645 - 10/03/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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pasteface said: I've managed to converse with my mother about psychedelics and stuff without it turning into a heated argument. The key I found was not talk about me or anyone I knew doing them and just talking in generalities. After a few months of talking with her she thinks its ok if I experiment with them as long as I'm careful and don't do it just to get "fucked up" (like frat boys drinking). Not that she'd really be able to stop me either way, I've been out of the house living on my own for years now but its just nice to be able to talk to your mother about something that is a pretty important part of my life. Basically start slow, start completely detached from personal experience and try to detach it from your brother as well and just talk about the drugs. See how she reacts, if she starts reacting positively then keep up the talks and if not then stop. I basically just talked to my mom about this sort of stuff when ever we'd talk and after maybe a year she just came out and told me that she'd be ok with me experimenting. I didn't ask, and I didn't push. You're results may vary.
This is very good advice and I might try doing something of this nature myself.
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: xaeviax]
#7481753 - 10/03/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wouldn't try talking to her first. first I would write a letter or an email, this keeps her from interrupting and forces her to mentally acknowledge what you have to say. I don't know what other drugs you do, but for someone who believes that marijuana can be harmful, going on and talking about other drugs as well will be overkill and overload and she may very well immediately and passionatey associate other hard drugs with cannabis. If you're going to talk about that, save it for another time, after she has heard what you have to say about cannabis.
As for finding sites that give good information on cannabis, I am actually suprised you haven't found anything, I'm quite certain there are more than a few.
First, you can try norml. There are m.a.p.s. tests which have given good reports on cannabis. There are a number of sites..just search on google for "marijuana myths" etc. I can gaurauntee you will find plenty.
Here is a site , the drug policy alliance
http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/
Avoid sites like this, that are unprofessional and do not refer to hard evidence and clinical studies:
http://changetheclimate.org/facts/
This website is somewhat decent, but It might be a little to much for your Mom.It attacks the media and government and sounds really pro counterculture.It does have some good information though and a number of movies your mom can watch for free.
http://www.abovetheignorance.org/
There are numerous cannabis coalitions that you can check out online and find out more information from them.
Here's a few more sites you can use:
http://hempfest.org/drupal/?q=node/16
http://www.thehia.org/
Here is a website that is supposed to be non biased and weighs arguements from both sides.
http://medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/
If your Mom is willing, I suggest you someday get her the book " cannabis: a history" by martin booth. It is a very professional widely received book and I suggest you and everyone else read it too. If you read this book you will get a good grip yourself on the history of cannabis and be able to explain the reason for the demonization of cannabis for the past 70 years.
I don't know if your Mom is a Christian or not, but if she is, confront her with the truth from God's word. That God has given us these plants, he has given them and noone has the right to take them away.
Just recently I decided to confront my Dad, and I wrote him an email. Perhaps not everything in it will work for you, but this is just to give you an idea.
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Dad,
I've had something on my mind for a while now. I need to let it off my chest and I hope that you understand how I feel.
I have been using cannabis for the past few months. I think I know how you feel about it generally and so I have felt bad about telling you. Not that I need to, I am an adult and I can do what I want. I also recognize that this is your house I am staying at right now so I have made a good effort to keep any marijuana off your property and I have not smoked it on your property at all. But honestly I feel frustrated about it.
I know I have not been the most successful person in life, and I know I have made a lot of mistakes. I am a different person now and although you disagree with me on alot of things you still see that I have changed alot for the better. I hope you recognize this as I try to explain some things to you.
Marijuana really helps me with stress. It helps me alot. When I was younger, I used it too, and it worked then also. For a while I was convinced that my violence and frustration was from cannabis, but now I know that' completely untrue. My violence and bad behaviour had to do with a deep down spiritual frustration and because I was constantly condemning myself by lying, stealing, being abusive, cussing and cursing my parents, and not being responsible at school or at home. I continued to try to run away from my problems and I recognized that cannabis helped me feel better from all the heavy stress and nervous apprehension I felt. I felt that there was perhaps no way out, or at least I didn't know for sure how to get out of the mess. So I would do whatever I could to keep smoking, and that meant stealing. I understand that any substance on this earth can be harmful in some way to at least some people. But I understand now that cannabis is a gift from God that has been overlooked for it's great uses.
I can't be blamed for just giving in. I spent many times thinking this over, and suffering from anxiety and stress that I tried my best to deal with on my own. I felt tempted to use cannabis, but I kept telling myself no that not right, because that's what I had been convinced of. Not very long ago I would look down on someone using cannabis and maybe even call the cops. But I realize now that that is wrong.
Cannabis is illegal in this country, and that was the main reason I did not do it. Because I recognized that we should obey the law of the land as the bible teaches. I still am very zealous about that, and I do not think we should ever break the law unless it's for a reason God gave us permission. And that's why I know cannabis is allowed for our use.
" 28God blessed them; and God said to them, "(AJ)Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
29Then God said, "Behold, (AK)I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;
30and (AL)to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so. "
Now cannabis is a plant. It grows in the ground. It has seed. And it's even green. It clear to me as should be clear to everyone that God has declared that these things to be clean, that these are for our use.
Remember there is also a very similar law given in the old testament also:
" 1And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, "(A)Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.
2"The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given.
3"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, (B)as I gave the green plant.
4"Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, (C)its blood. "
Without this law those who eat meat would be taking life without God's permission, they would be murderers. Now I recognize that God has given you permission to eat animals, and this frustrates me but I have learned to live with it. I hope you can do the same for me. Please do not judge me according to man's law. I am not an evil doer, and I am tired of being looked down upon for something that hurts noone, but rather helps me and many others very much.
Surely if your habit, which requires the end of a life is acceptable, then my habit which can be used safely without hurting anyone, is acceptable also.
What man has done in this regard is very wrong. Man has made a law, and this law contradicts the law that God has given. Therefore man is judging God's law, and God's law prevails over mans law. If the same were for meat, then God's law would prevail also. You have your habit and I have mine.
Cannabis is a miraculous plant, not only for it's medicinal properties, but also for it's many other uses which if employed would make this world a much better place, and would replace much of the trees needer for paper, could be used for fuel, can be used for clothing, textiles, and many other purposes. There are many sites online and books that can be read to help you appreciate the wonderful and many uses of cannabis.
These are documented facts. And cannabis before this last century, was used far back many many many ages. It was used for clothing, for ships ropes, for other purposes. In the early part of the last century, cannabis tincture was put into many many medicines for common ailments such as colds, flu, depression, and many more. This was used by the general populace, and it worked! Cannabis is an extra ordinary plant, and I hope you recognize that it is a wrong judgement to have made it illegal. Even the American constitution was written on cannabis.
I do not believe in AMerica, but I know you do. Before this past century, people were allowed one of the most fundamental rights, the right to put what they want in their body. Now this right is taken away, and the government works hard to suppress any substance that has any mind altering properties that makes people feel good. Remember alcohol prohibition, and how it was a total failure. There were many criminals who had made lots of money from it's being illegal, and taken advantage of the black market. The same is true today. Prohibition is wrong, it does not work. More money and energy is put into fighting a silly purpose, when we should be going after more serious crimes. It's eating up resources and it's not effective or right.
Whether you agree with these things, remember that God gave us cannabis, it clearly has medicinal properties and is intended for our use. cannabis is smoked now, and that gives it a bad image. But remember that cannabis was not always smoked, in fact smoking only became popular after tobacco became popular a few centuries ago. If marijuana were legal, people could just eat it. One of the oldest uses was a tea in india called bhang.
There are also healthier alternatives to using marijuana, for instance vaporizers which almost completely remove the carcinogens that come from smoking cannabis. Unfortunately I cannot use this because I know you said before you didn't want it on your property so I have respected your desires and authority. I have you have a change of heart. I am tired of being looked down upon and my faith being attacked for something that helps me very much, and does not hurt anyone. I don't push it on kids, and I believe only adults or children under supervision of an adult should use it. I try to not push it on others or walk down the street and blow smoke all around like someone who smokes cigarettes.
I do not spend very much money in the long run on it either. I do not waste all of my money and I am very careful about what I spend nor do I waste the money you give to me. I do not steal from you for cannabis either. I am trying to be honest and I hope you understand.
Cannabis can cause harm just like anything in this world. But as far as drugs go, cannanbis is the one of the most healthy around. There are many claims about cannabis, but it has become more and more clear from clinical studies that cannabis does not cause major health problems, even when smoked; nothing like tobacco. It does not cause violence as was said in propoganda pieces of the early past century, which were not true at all. It can cause paranoia, but only if you use too much. It does not cause any psychosis, but can cause already mental problems to come out. But then again, it has been shown that some schitzophrenic patients who use itr helps them to calm down a lot. And I'm sure you're aware of the great help it does for cancer and aids patients as well as somewhat help those with glaucoma.
I want to be able to use cannabis maturely, safely, without condemnation. Just as you enjoyed that beer on my birthday. Just as people use herbs to help them feel better. Just to enjoy life and the gifts God has given us.
It really comes down to this. Which law do you go by? Man's fallible law, or God's infallible law? I go by God's law, and that's how I recognized that cannabis is safe and blessed for us to use. I hope you find the same.
There are many harmful drugs out there. And this is what I have learned. That just about all of the drugs that really hurt people were invented by man!
Heroin cocaine pcp meth dxm extacy lsd etc.
These are all man made drugs! These are all either synthetic substances, or chemically altered in there coposition, which go through a heavy process. It can't be the same as God's plants, because otherwise they couldn't patent it. In light of this, doesn't it make sense that these things would be the ones causing the real harm? I quite recognize that not every plant is safe and that it requires discernment. But it is obvious that some plants, some substances are intended for us to, I have to say it : get high. Just as someone enjoys a glass of wine and in a way that's mature and responsible with moderation. Doesn't that sound right. I'm sure it does.
Cannabis has caused 0 direct deaths. None. What drugs causes all the deaths? It's the ones made by man.
I would hope that you would read this letter and recognize the truth of what I'm saying. I would hope that you would accept it just as I have accepted your eating meat from an slaughtered animal. Surely you can accept this as easily if not easier? I want you to recognize that God has given us plants including cannabis, and not look down on me for it.
If you had accepted it earlier on, I think that our relationship would have been a lot better. Please recognize my past behaviour for what it was, wrong. But please do think it was because of cannabis, and please do not judge me or look down on me for it.Remember what Jesus said, it's not what you put in your moth that makes you unclean, but what comes out of your mouth.
I hope you understand.
Bye
My dad had always in the past when I was younger felt very strongly against weed, like it was evil. But now that I have the knowledge, I can dispel the myths and defend my case. He hasn't spoken a word against it so far, and while he may think there are " other options", I don't think it's likely that he will go against the main points of my arguement.
Lastly, I don't know how old your brother is, but kids shouldn't be smoking weed. And in the end, if your mom says no, it's her house and he's under her roof and authority, so it would be a good idea to confront her with these things in mind.
I hope things work out.If she doesn't agree with you at once, don't get too excited, just be patient.
Edited by jonathan_206 (10/03/07 04:52 PM)
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Teotzlcoatl
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Cannabis is illegal in this country, and that was the main reason I did not do it. Because I recognized that we should obey the law of the land as the bible teaches. I still am very zealous about that, and I do not think we should ever break the law unless it's for a reason God gave us permission.
Excellent letter, except for the above comment....
Dude, you really are brianwashed...
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7481853 - 10/03/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude, you really are brainwashed...
My mind is cleansed from the filth of this world. Amen.
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There are many harmful drugs out there. And this is what I have learned. That just about all of the drugs that really hurt people were invented by man!
Heroin cocaine pcp meth dxm extacy lsd etc.
hmm, somehow that doesn't seem right either. sure, it's man made, but its so similar to mushrooms (chemically). doesn't that go against what this whole site's for?
I think lsd's cool
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: Seventy]
#7481993 - 10/03/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are plenty of drugs in nature that are harmful for you, as well as perfectly fine for you. Just as there are plenty of drugs created by man that are harmful for you, as well as perfectly fine for you.
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: Seventy]
#7482014 - 10/03/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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LSD is cool.
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: iBruiseBlue]
#7482025 - 10/03/07 06:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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iBruiseBlue said: LSD is cool.
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: Jair]
#7482344 - 10/03/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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MDMA is as well
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: Jair]
#7482630 - 10/03/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jair said: There are plenty of drugs in nature that are harmful for you, as well as perfectly fine for you. Just as there are plenty of drugs created by man that are harmful for you, as well as perfectly fine for you.
Couldn't have put it better. Anyone who generalizes and says that all man made drugs are bad and all natural drugs are good is being pretty ignorant in my book.
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Re: Need everyones help! [Re: Oposx]
#7483150 - 10/03/07 10:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hmm, somehow that doesn't seem right either. sure, it's man made, but its so similar to mushrooms (chemically). doesn't that go against what this whole site's for?
I think lsd's cool
I thought this site was about mushrooms. And besides the fact that both lsd and mushrooms are hallucinagenic drugs, I don't think they're that similar and I think alot of chemists would agree with me.
Look, the bottom line is that yes not everything that's natural that stimulates your mind is good for you. But those drugs that really work, really work. It's like they were intended for us. And that's what I believe. If you don't believe God made these things for us, you have no reason to see things that way.
I believe that not all man made drugs are as bad as the worst. A lot of them do even have good affects. But our minds are so complex and if anyone understand the way these drugs are made, it's a serious gamble. The problems associated with synthetic drugs you just don't find with natural drugs like cannabis or mushrooms. Even people who do mushrooms say they feel more natural.
Don't get out the pitchfork please, this is my own opinion and I believe it's a valid one. I'm not against psychadelics, that's one of the main reasons I am here of course.
I'm not closed minded I just recognize all the health problems and social problems created by these drugs, and so does a lot of other people, they just don't make the connection.
Think about someone creating a computer program. Think about someone trying to create a program for an o.s. and motherboard they know 1% about. Basically they would have to just make a lot of guesses until it worked with not too many bugs. But it would still have a lot of bugs. and that's how it is with them manufacture of synthetic drugs. They just mess around until they get something useful with not too many side affects. But there are still lots of "bugs" and it's obvious whenever you watch a commercial for these.
I'm sorry you don't see things the same way as I do, but I believe it takes a wise creator who knows the insides and outs of the human mind to make something safe, and in the real world I find that reality.
In any case, let's stick to the main topic and help this guy convince his mom.
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