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OfflineAnotherDimension
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Re: selling tobacco to a minor [Re: wps]
    #7487062 - 10/05/07 12:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Here's the catch... assuming it goes before a jury trial, with the prosecution on board (in other words, they don't just not show up and forfeit the case).

See, they can bring this 'kid' in to testify in front of the jury. And at this time, they will make sure he is clean shaven, dressed up like a 12 year old, speaks like a 12 year old, and in any other way they can reverse his appearance from how it was on the day of the incidence.

They will do this because they believe in justice. </sarcasm>

My point being, I really hope you have security camera footage from the incidence you can use in your favor to show the jury his appearance on that day.


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Re: selling tobacco to a minor [Re: AnotherDimension]
    #7487097 - 10/05/07 01:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

all you need is to have the kid testify he cold blooded honest opinion on the matter, was he dressed up like his dad?

if he lies, make sure you bring a beard for him to wear


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Re: selling tobacco to a minor [Re: AnotherDimension]
    #7487104 - 10/05/07 01:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Good luck fighting it. It looks like you have a chance.

The only thing I woudl worry about is the fact that the kid is going to show up clean shaven with high school type clothes on and the jury might not buy it. Then again if you make a good case for yourself you probably have a decent chance of winning or them dropping it before trial.


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Re: selling tobacco to a minor [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7487321 - 10/05/07 02:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

sorry but I dont meen to sound a Drag but isnt there court fees if you loose?


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Re: selling tobacco to a minor [Re: alchino23]
    #7487890 - 10/05/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yes but there is also judicial discretion for the fine.

So if I just pay the fine without going to court, I have to pay the full amount.

but if a judge hands me the fine in court, it will probably be much less.

I know this because there was actually some research done about judicial predisposition in my state, and for my offense, 60% of judges would give a fine of less than $250, even though the max fine is $500.

besides, court costs are pretty cheap, like 50 bucks. They get one jury to hear a whole day's cases.


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Re: selling tobacco to a minor [Re: wps]
    #7507575 - 10/11/07 12:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

any update?


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Re: selling tobacco to a minor [Re: AgingHippy]
    #7513792 - 10/13/07 10:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah I went to court really hoping the cop wouldn't show up.

he did, unfortunately.

I was pretty prepared to argue my case, but still a little nervous about whether it would fly with the jury.

So when the prosecutor offered me a plea bargain, I took it. $150, deferred so its not on my record.

All in all I think I did the smart thing. $150 is way better than the $500 I would have had to pay if I were convicted, or if I had simply mailed the fine in and not went to court. The act of going to court instead of admitting guilt and paying the whole fine definitely was worth it.

I kinda feel bad about not just fighting the whole case though. I had a pretty good defense prepared. I feel somewhat confident I could have walked, but it just wasn't worth the risk of losing.


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Re: selling tobacco to a minor [Re: wps]
    #7513801 - 10/13/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yep you bent over and let the gov take advantage of another person. they will continue to pull this crap with other people knowin nobody has the balls to stand up


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Re: selling tobacco to a minor [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7513812 - 10/13/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

hey, I said it was the smart thing to do, not the brave one :lol:

I don't give a fuck. I don't work at a job where I sell cigarettes anymore; I have a way better job now.


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Re: selling tobacco to a minor [Re: wps]
    #7513905 - 10/13/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Nice job, well at least it didn't turn your pockets out :rolleyes:


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Re: selling tobacco to a minor [Re: wps]
    #7514697 - 10/14/07 03:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think you made a very wise choice.

A sure bet at 150 is way better than a gamble on 500.


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