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zero cool
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newbie about to do first casing
#7480568 - 10/03/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok, i have three bags that have been 100% colonized for a week now. i am planning on crumbling the cakes into foil pans and then casing them with MGMC. few questions before i begin: 1. should i dunk the cakes for 24 hours and then crumble tomorrow? 2. when i am finished casing should i leave the pans sit for 3 days before i place them into my FC?(i have already left them sit a full week after being 100% colonized) 3. if i do leave them sit to incubate for 3 days should i mist?
thanks in advance for any help!
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Re: newbie about to do first casing [Re: zero cool]
#7480632 - 10/03/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would dunk for 24 if I was you. Then crumble mist til you see little water beads on the substrate that has your spawn in it. Then cover for 8 - 10 days. Set it and forget it.
then case it.
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zero cool
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Re: newbie about to do first casing [Re: eleven34]
#7480682 - 10/03/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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so i should spray the substrate and then leave it sit w/o any casing on it? im confused...
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Re: newbie about to do first casing [Re: zero cool]
#7480837 - 10/03/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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you have bags with cakes in them? Are you planning on spawing to coir or poo? Because many say cruble and case a cake doesnt yield anymore than a dunk and roll
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zero cool
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Re: newbie about to do first casing [Re: bait_]
#7481018 - 10/03/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah they are mycobags that are all colonized...i call them cakes, i dont know if that is correct terminology or not. hmmm...i was under the notion that crumbling and casing would yield me a lot more, but if there isnt much difference then i should prolly prolly just stick them in the fridge until i can get some straw(or can i just leave them incubate for another week or two?) i was planning on trying a bulk grow after i did the casing method. should i just go straight to bulk with these bags? also, will straw alone work? i need to do something with these cakes fast b/c of time issues with my apartment.
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juris1
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Re: newbie about to do first casing [Re: zero cool]
#7481066 - 10/03/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually, cakes are what are in the 1/2pt jars. I have done straight cakes and have crumbled my cakes and then cased, and I got much better results from the cakes the I crumbled and then cased. I also used MGMC as a casing layer with a few other ingredients in there as well. If you do straight cakes, then yes you would want to dunk for 24 hours and then roll in fresh verm and place into your FC.
However, you're not doing cakes. You're using mycobags. You could either fruit the mushrooms directly in the bag, or you could use that as spawn to a larger bulk substrate like hpoo. I guess you could also just crumbled up the sub in your bags and then put it into a container of some kind to do a smaller casing. Also, you don't need to dunk regular cakes if you're gonna crumble and case.
If you don't want to fruit in the bag, then I would crumble the sub up real good, put into a container (opaque type or line with alum foil) and then go ahead and put your casing material on top of your sub, then put alum foil over it with some holes poked in the foil. Place it into your incubator or closet for 3-4 (no peeking!) and then open it up. You should then see some high spots of mycelium growing through your casing layer and you would then want to patch those high spots with some more casing material. After patching, place them into your FC to initiate pinning! If it were me, that's what i'd do. Also, instead of instantly placing your casing layer on the sub, you can cover with alum foil, let it colonize the top layer of your sub (careful to not let it overlay), then add your casing layer. Put back into your incubator for about three more days for the mycelium to break the surface of your casing layer and then put into your FC and initiate pinning. It's up to you! Good luck...
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Re: newbie about to do first casing [Re: juris1]
#7481153 - 10/03/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok, i think i am gonna crumble and case. i have three bags(2 lbs. each)to do this with. should i make two pans that are really deep, say 4in. or so, or three pans that are of a normal substrate level, 2-3in? which would be more beneficial?
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Re: newbie about to do first casing [Re: zero cool]
#7481684 - 10/03/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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As a general rule (at least I think this is correct) you don't want your substrate to be any deeper than 4". Of all the casings that I have done so far (7), I have about a 1/2" of moist verm, then about 2.5-3" of my substrate, and then about 1/2-3/4" of a casing layer. I would recommend doing three casings instead of two at 4" of sub. That's just my opinion. More than likely you'll get more mushrooms by doing the three casing instead of doing two. If i'm wrong on that last point, I will stand corrected and say my bad! But I think it's your best bet. Good luck!!!
-------------------- "In Vino Veritas" Mycology (from the Greek μύκης, meaning "fungus") is the study of fungi, their genetic and biochemical properties, their taxonomy, and their use to humans as a source for tinder, medicinals (e.g., penicillin), food (e.g., beer, wine, cheese, edible mushrooms) and entheogens, as well as their dangers, such as poisoning or infection.
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